Elica Le Bon

[Angelicalist]

Elica Le Bon is an Iranian who was Raised in the UK when Her Direct Family fled to the UK from Iran, and She grew up (after being Born in the UK) with like Family Members Dying in Iran, so She kept up with Everything, and She has been kind of doing a lot from afar for Iranians, and now, with what is going on in Iran, it is Time to give Her a Platform.

Many on the Right will Jump to accommodate this, She fits the kind of Fox News Zionist Narrative, and that is what the Critics will say, that She is a Zionist Mouthpiece, some accuse her of Working for the CIA. But She’s just a Lawyer, Living in an Apartment from the looks of it, who also Happens to be like an Instagram/TikTok Activist (but like, actually an Activist, not just a TikToker) and have some Songs with like VEVO.

But She’s is very Smart, and She is and/or can become Part of a Network that Lays the Foundation for the Future of Iran. The Crown Prince of Iran says he wants to be a Father Figure for the Iranians, and assumes that that means he will be King for some Time, and I am saying we are going to Work on this before that, after that, during that. I Spent some of the last few Days Sending like Emails out to Tons of Media and Podcasts, telling them to have Elica Le Bon on, and that She needs to Eventually Appear on JRE. Since then (Yesterday) She appeared on 2 Podcasts that I know of, and what needs to Happen is She needs to be on at Least 1 Podcast a Week, if not Several (or Daily or more), and People in and outside of Iran need to Reach out to her, and Eventually that needs to become better Managed. I haven’t looked to Hard, but I’m not sure if there is like an Elica Facebook Group or Subreddit, and I’m saying like that kind of Thing will be a Natural Occurrence in this Larger Thing I’m Talking about.

And just to kind of Start off what would be the Debate Surrounding Elica, so, this Video for Example Shows that the Jews Running Europe and America is Russian Propaganda, and She Proves where it comes from.


A Critic might say, “Israel and America DO Work together”, and dismiss all her Evidence, and Claim She takes Money from the Israel Lobby. But do You see the Problem? Correlation is not Causation, as in, “Some Data Pointing Towards a Conspiracy Theory, does not Immediately Validate the Conspiracy Theory as a Whole”. We have to look at all the Things we heard Growing up, from People that were Stoned Talking about Government Jew Conspiracies and Things, or on Hydrocodone Yelling at the TV in Agreement with Sean Hannity but also Spewing Jew Hate, it’s the stuff She’s Proving, She’s Showing where it came from. Russia.

Some may not like Her Perspective, but I am doing what I can to make sure that She is up there as One of the Faces of WWIII. And I’ll Post Podcasts She goes on in this Thread.







I know not Everyone was Paying Attention for the Gaza Invasion, and it didn’t Start as an Invasion, a lot of People go from “Oct 7th” to like, whatever they are Talking about. What Happened, is there was a Festival in the Desert, like an EDM Concert Thing, and it was a Holiday, called “Sukkot”. This Holiday was instated by Hezekiah. The Jews looked into the Scriptures and saw Moses, and saw 40 Years in the Desert, Living under God, given Israel by God, when they were Living in Lean-tos, like Zoo Animals (Zoo Animals actually usually have Better Shelter than a Lean-to). And so they would Build them, and on October 7th, 2023, there was a Festival, with a Structure Designed to look like a Sukkot Tabernacle with the Sky Visible, as discussed in the Scripture. Hamas, the Government of Gaza, was out, maybe some Regular Citizens of Gaza, with Parachutes, Flying around with Giant Fans Strapped to their Backs, and they brought Guns, and they Opened Fire. They Landed in the Crowd, they began taking Lives and Hostages. Hamas and Others started coming through Border Fences. Israeli Military didn’t know how to Respond, there were Rocket Strikes out of Gaza into Israel, and Southern Israel had a Large Portion taken. Marshal Law was Declared in the Region Surrounding Gaza, where a Police Officer could take Your Car, or do whatever he needed to do. There were Live Streams from Christians and Jews in Israel. Rockets coming in from Gaza, People getting Alerts on their Phones, etc. and Israel began Striking Hamas, and took the Territory in Israel back, doing Air Strikes in Gaza, but debating if they should go in. It took about a Month before Israelis were in Gaza, and Al Jazeera immediately had Videos of Hamas Fighters with Anti-Tank Guns Crawling around Showing “You can Kill the Israelis in their Tanks, it is Possible”. And then, THEN, Everyone Tuned in, that’s what Most People know. I was Involving myself with important People in Israel before any of that. But I’m saying most People have no Idea. So, now, Iran. Iran is a much Larger, even MORE COMPLEX, Situation.

 

[Angelicalist]

I thought about something we can Talk about here to Elaborate on the Debate Surrounding Elica Le Bon.
Here is a Video of Charlie Kirk at Oxford.


Here is a Video of Ben Shapiro at Cambridge.


Now, to get into this so People can understand, I’ll actually present my own History with the Subject of Palestine, which is that at First I Really had no idea what was going on, I came at it from the Perspective of Early on in my Overall Understanding of like Geopolitics and while I was at the Time much more advanced than Most Other People in regards to Religious Understanding, I was still not where I am now by a long Shot, but I was Debating with Atheists and Christians. I was Watching TYT (maybe 2011-2013ish), and I saw their Perspective, I thought Hamas having their Buildings Bombed and not having a State was kind of Outrageous, to the Point where Yes, when I First Encountered this, I was Cheering on the Rockets we could say. It wasn’t like a Big Part of my Life and I wasn’t like an Anti-Semite, but I saw it as like Ferguson, where I put out Guides online Teaching People to Protest (and the FBI later came to Question me), I saw it as like the Police Killings of Unarmed sometimes Innocent People, I saw it as that. So I understand where someone might get Confused.

Now, this Time, when it Started, I was already Teaching People about Rabbi Singer because he knows more than Pretty much ANY Jew or Christian, I was Engaging with the Jews for Jesus because they are Involved in the same kind of Outreach to the People of Israel, on that Street Level. And then I have a lot of stuff going on Surrounding me with the Media and Fighting the Government over Religious Marijuana, and I was getting like the Atheists and the Muslims together with the Jews and Christians to Debate, like Alex O’Connor and Muhammed Hijab. I actually think Hamas saw us doing all of this, and it was Part of their Reasoning in doing the Attack, we were bringing Attention to the Region. But what they did was not the Right way, it actually HURT what could have been Peace between Muslims and Jews, who were arguing that they were more Similar to each Other than to Christians, because of the kind of Orthodoxy inherent.

But Hamas went out Killing and Raping, putting Kids in Ovens, there is a Video of a Boy looking for his Eyeball, and a Female that has been Raped into Submission (like to the Point where She was Probably being made to act like She liked it, so She could Live), She was Dragged out and Recorded as She was put in someone’s Trunk, and She was Later Killed. Then they refused to Surrender at any Time, because that’s what has to Happen, they Live in Israel Technically, as far as the UN is Concerned, that’s why the UN is making the Statements it is against Israel, like these People should be going to Trial and whatnot Technically, but it’s just too much. Israel used to Attack Gaza from outside. But this Time they went in. The Goal was to Remove Hamas to the Extent that it could ever Continue what it is doing.

And all of that is the Foundation then for the Argument about what is going on in Iran, but Iran is not the same Place, it’s just Israel is also involved in this, so it becomes the same Subject.

I’ll go ahead and get into something else now I guess, so, when all of this Happened, it was Expected that this War would Start in the North, with Hezbollah, their Flag is “The Party of God” in Arabic, with a Arm/Fist Holding up an AK-47. And there were Problems with Syria, but Israel wasn’t sure if they wanted Terrorist Groups to take it over so they Accepted Assad as a Neighbor.

Assad was a Ba’athist and would Drop Barrel Bombs on his Own People.

Christopher Hitchens Talking about it


Barrel Bombs Dropped from Helicopters


This was what was Called “The Axis of Resistance”, which was Iran’s Open Network of Terror they Financed. Hezbollah had a Guy that would come on TV Everyday during the War in Gaza, until Israel Killed him.
- YouTube

Beepers
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So, Iran has been doing a lot since 2023, it’s been kind of a Hot-Cold War even.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Elica Le Bon is an Iranian who was Raised in the UK when Her Direct Family fled to the UK from Iran, and She grew up (after being Born in the UK) with like Family Members Dying in Iran, so She kept up with Everything, and She has been kind of doing a lot from afar for Iranians, and now, with what is going on in Iran, it is Time to give Her a Platform.

She’sa very pretty born-and-raised-in-England pro-Israeli talking head loved by Fox.

I would do her.

 

[toobfreak]

Elica Le Bon is an Iranian who was Raised in the UK

Too bad she's a poor speaker. Pretty girl but she needs to give a summation first of the total picture she intends to cover and make, THEN break it down into individual issues, arguments and proofs instead of walking the reader through them serially one by one.

 

[Angelicalist]

She’sa very pretty born-and-raised-in-England pro-Israeli talking head loved by Fox.

I would do her.

That is Ad Hominem for sure, and all kind of Backhanded Compliments, but not False altogether, except that She does what She does for the People of Iran, as Things are Happening that need to be done, Goldie and them all know who She is like as Peers, even like Chris Cuomo which is like a whole Other Thing, but that’s like New York. Just mentioning it because like Elica and Goldie are Iran. Piers has her on because She is Serious and knows what She’s doing and it even Sparks Controversy, and he jumps on.

This is not Elica Le Bon, but there is a Guy on this like Podcast Thing that says that Google says him and Elica Le Bon and him (Chris Kunsler, or something) are Married. He says it is not True, and is maybe Based on him saying “Queen Elica” on Social Media or something, and there somehow then is an Article that says She keeps her Life Private and She is Married to him. All False. Then they Talk about like their Opinions of Elica.

That Conversation Starts around 1:02:00, specifically 1:02:57 ish.


What I am saying is that we are going to do some Things in Iran and Accomplish some Things in this War, that I was and/or will be when it’s not Active Bombings and maybe over, and I want to Talk about Israel and Lebanon and Syria and Things long Term too. In a larger Context. I Wrote a Book and Sent a Draft all over Africa in like 2021.

Too bad she's a poor speaker. Pretty girl but she needs to give a summation first of the total picture she intends to cover and make, THEN break it down into individual issues, arguments and proofs instead of walking the reader through them serially one by one.

A Poor Speaker, lol.

Maybe You have a Short Attention Span or something. A lot of her Arguments are like Responses to the “Pop Culture” Arguments in the Iran “Theater” now we might call it. And I’ll actually Post some back and forths between me and another Person about this so that People New to the Subject can Read both Sides instead of just me.

Other Person:
Just saying up front, I listened to the vid in the link on the opening post and the first vid shown in the post that I'm replying to. There is plenty of grist for my mill in those two bits.

The history she lists in the OP was known to me. It wasn't "mind blown" as she indicated. It was a simplified history, biased but factual. No disagreement, just saying it was biased toward its own complicated and hazy viewpoint. The Soviet Union dissolved in the 1980's, so, not sure how valid her claim is that their anti-imperialist propaganda applies to us, 40 years later. That said, anti-Semitic ideology is both hundreds of years older than the USSR and continues into today, well after the USSR. Hamas incorporated beliefs listed in the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, published, by the way, through agencies inside the Russian Imperial government, several decades before Lenin took power. Not sure how that applies to Iran, so am asking for clarification -- what does that have to do with today's situation in Iran? Not much, IMO. Most of what's going on in Iran that the West is interested in is access to their oil.

Regarding what happened in Gaza and in Israel on Oct 7. Both sides are wrong. I don't want the US to give military aid to Israel. I don't understand why we are supporting Israel. Not that I'm opposed to a state of Israel. But I don't support what they are doing in the West Bank or the ethnic cleansing they are in the process of carrying out in Gaza. Same goes with Hamas. Neither are engaged in "self defense". Both sides seem to me to seek the total destruction of the other side. There can be no peace when neither side are willing to accept the right of the other side to exist.

Myself, I'm for US national defense. With a stress put on the word "defense". As I said earlier, the US's interest is to maintain access to cheap oil. This is something that is becoming less important as we proceed into the 21st century. It's time to stop putting our national treasure into maintaining access to it. Nation building in the middle east and propping up authoritarian regimes in the middle east must end.

The stuff in that vid about liberals in the west made zero sense. Am I really Marxist and do I hate the west? Sorry but I'm laughing right now. I am in fact liberal because I support liberal democracy. Counter to what was claimed in that vid, I do not support the theocracy in Iran and I know of no US liberals who do. Nor would I have supported the Shah before them. There was a nascent democracy in Iran before it was overthrown in a US-CIA led coup before the Shah took power. I stopped listening when I heard fake thoughts projected upon "liberals". I am anti-authoritarian. This includes Iran's government, Netanyahu's government, Trump's government, Putin's government, Orban's government, Modi's government and so forth. I get the sense that Elicia wants the Shah back. I'm not going to support that.

The lesson I take from the messed-up situation in Iran is that the US should stay out of nation building. I'm OK with sanctions based upon human rights violations and not widespread bombing by US and Israel now going on in Iran. Recent polls show that most people in the US are of the same opinion. Just saying, nothing about Trump's bombing campaign makes sense. It does not seem to be about protecting Iranian lives. It does not seem to be about stopping Iran from building The Bomb. It's not going to make Israel a safer nation for democracy. Going back 70 years and into today, US history in Iran is more like a clown show than helpful to anybody. What do you suggest we do?

On the other hand, let us not forget that Trump has a political situation on his hands regarding the Epstein files. His bombing campaign coincided with reports of testimony by some women who were raped by Trump when they were 13 YO. But we do know he seems to be willing to do anything to deflect attention away from the Epstein files. From what we've learned about this man, we can't dismiss this as a reason, albeit a bad reason, for the mess we seem to be making in Iran right now.
So then, I said (and there is more to this back and forth than just these 2 I’m giving You now, but it’s a lot) :

Just to Respond to the First Question, I understand the Russian Propaganda is maybe not the most Iran-centric Video to Start with, Fair Criticism. But, what I am saying is, that in America, if You are there or somewhere else, there are Rumors and they come from somewhere.


Now. So, let me get very Serious with You. This is a Guy named Jack Wheeler.


He was a Philosopher by College Training, but Originator of what is called “Reagan Doctrine” and thereby Documents like “CIA Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare” which was like Christian Democracy v Communist Counter Revolution Stuff. Iran Contra Essentially. But he had a Website called “To The Point”, and he was like “Rich Democrats are just Republicans carrying an Evil Eye Talisman”, grasp that. So that was his Newspaper for Years after Reagan and he is Dead now. But he is from my Home Town, at Least when he made the Video I shared, he Lived in my Home Town.

I didn’t say “Let Your Mind be Blown”, I understand Your Pushback, and in that Framing She seems to be Speaking Specifically to a Crowd of People Watching a Video with something to do with Elon Musk. So, that’s the Audience for her Video there. I don’t think this is about Oil, but we can argue about that, like Iraqi Gold in both the U.S. and ISIS Wars. And like You said, we can Argue about Israel, and Should, Elica is Iranian. Equally Important Debate. And She’s Talking to Anti-Fox Liberals. Can You accept She is likely getting a lot of Flack? I didn’t want to say this in this Thread, but there is a $250,000 Bounty on her Head, She’s not Nobody. And Elica doesn’t want a Shah, She wants Iranians that Admire her, that let Israelis Visit, where we as Americans can have Passports with both Stamps. Do You see that?

US Government, Yes, Out of Nationbuilding like Iraq, but the U.S. PEOPLE. Google “Currency” RV for example, there are Communities of Forex Traders Buying Zimbabwe Dollars and Vietnam, Talking about Historical Trends where (actually True) Britain came and Remade Currencies with Higher Security Measures and Value, and these “RV” or “Revaluation” Speculators have Telegram Channels and YouTube Videos, Communities Following them, but this kind of Thing is REAL, after Brexit, after ISIS is expelled from the Bank of Mosul, and likely after the New Iranian Dawn.

And I agree with You, if they Polled “Should we Bomb Iran Today” I would have been in the “No” Category, but I wouldn’t say I am against at it altogether like, I would have argued for it Reasonably maybe before it Happened. Not that I did. And I agree, the Previous Bombs took out Iran’s Nuclear Program, with like 1 Precision Bunker Bomb that had even been used for Other Things but was actually designed and Tested with Model Recreations of the Iranian Nuclear Bunker to be Bombed, maybe hundreds of Times before Trump said “Do it” on the Real Bunker in Iran. It was Destroyed before this “Campaign” let’s call it. And I’m not saying Trump knows what he’s doing, but now that we are Talking about it, I’m saying I know what I am doing. And I am. And You say “What do You suggest we do?”, I actually have a whole Hellenization and/or Crusade Plan, but let’s just say, let’s Start with Elica.

And Regarding the Epstein Files, I could make this all about that and suddenly sound like a Mentally unstable Person if I put it all Public in 1 Place at Once, but we’ll Talk about that Later, and I’ll just say look up #CynthiaWheless or #CynthiaWheeless largely scrubbed from the Internet. And look up like “RICO as a Lawsuit”, I’m going to Start putting People on this stuff.

 

[toobfreak]

A Poor Speaker, lol. Maybe You have a Short Attention Span or something.

No, just a trained public speaker and published writer who knows how to get the clearest point across to the most people whereas her video, many will simply not bother to listen all the way through just to find out if it even interests or concerns them.

 

[Captain Creeper]

I'd hit that!

 

[Angelicalist]

No, just a trained public speaker and published writer who knows how to get the clearest point across to the most people whereas her video, many will simply not bother to listen all the way through just to find out if it even interests or concerns them.

Ok, well I don’t know how often they have You on TV to Talk about Things, but I think maybe You are just being like a little petty. Like, I understand Your Point about like “Her Videos aren’t Designed to go Viral” like She’s Talking about Things that are very Specific, and She isn’t doing Her Makeup or Playing Subway Surfer while She does it, it’s like Dense Material many People won’t touch. I get it, but, She is clearly an Effective Speaker or She wouldn’t be on TV and all these Podcast want to have her on. When She’s on Joe Rogan She’ll have no Problem Talking for 3 Hours, and it’s not Different from like Wes Huff, or Rick Perry, like some People are going to Love it, some People are going to say that She’s an Israeli Spy. But we are getting into Iran like we did Iraq. 2 Weeks Ago I might have Agreed that this Content doesn’t have the Audience, but we are in a Different Place now that America Killed the Ayatollah and Everyone else we could in the IRGC.

I'd hit that!

Seems to be the Consensus, but I’m also sure She’s heard it before.

More from that back and forth I mentioned before:
Yes, the people of the US and probably of the world are inundated with propaganda spewed by bot farms in service of various interests that have no interest in the wellbeing of their targeted audience. The 2018 Facebook-Cambridge Analytica scandal, the Russia-gate and the Mueller investigation are examples that were investigated thoroughly. The current president owes much to Putin for his help in winning the election in 2016. The disinformation doesn't stop there. Fox News, for example, doesn't even try to hide the fact that it lies in the service of its billionaire masters. It is very hard to not see it once one first sees it. And so, I'm a bit skeptical of Elica's posts. I don't know what she is advocating FOR, all I heard in the two vids I listened to was an accurate but biased recounting of history of how we got here. Furthermore, her characterization of US liberals as Marxists is so far from being true that I wonder how such a well read, articulate and thoughtful person could say such a thing unless there is a hidden agenda behind it. So, I am skeptical of her and by extension your posts.

I'm not sure what point you are making that is actionable. What I read into your post are grievances and pleas to emotion.

But, I'm a US citizen. I care about the defense of my country, not Iran, not Israel, not even Ukraine, unless I can tie it to the defense of my country. Russia is the only country in the world today whose leader voiced existential threats to the US and can carry them out through their use of their arsenal of nuclear weapons. So, I'm convinced that our involvement in Ukraine makes sense, even though our current leader is not or is serving Putin for his own reasons. That same leader, Donald Trump, by the way, he doesn't care about Iran either. He seems to care more about preventing the release of the Epstein files than anything to do with Iran.

Back to this topic. From my perspective, nothing the US has done to Iran in the past 70 years has been beneficial to the people of either country. Regarding Israel, their actions in Gaza went well beyond self defense. So, I'm more in the camp of those who ask why are we bombing Iran and supporting Israel in all that they do?

Speaking for myself but probably for many in the US, I very much don't care about the 7,000 year history of grievances that Iranian political influencers on the many sides of the factions in that area of the world are voicing. To me, they are voiced to influence through appeals to emotion rather than convince through logic. This is a red flag to me because as I said earlier, we are awash in propaganda created in service of various interests that have no interest in the wellbeing of our people. Appeals to emotion is one very effective tool in the propagandists tool kit.

So, what's your point? What do you propose we DO? What good can the US do by dropping bombs on the people of Iran? What benefit does this do for the people of the US? Does this do any good for the people of Iran? I don't think it does.
My Response:
So You do understand why Russia is a Subject, and maybe She Called them Marxist, I didn’t hear that, but what I myself have Identified that I would assume they are Talking about is this.

There is Liberalism, Called Classical Liberalism.


Most People think that’s “The Left”, kids see Pictures of Hippies and think it was Everyone, they don’t understand the Kids in the Rural areas still didn’t even have TVs, they didn’t Really know about all of that going on.




Kids don’t understand, You turn on Fox News or CNN, it’s the same People (sometimes Literally being Hired by the Competition, but also in a General sense, they are what Dana Bash likes to Call “The Political Class” but only People in the Media say Things like that about themselves. What I am Discussing with like Elica Le Bon, Rabbi Singer, the Debate Community, is a kind of near Tribalistic 1st Estate like Clergy, to the Media’s 4th Estate, but that’s maybe a whole Other Conversation), but I’m saying like, Kids don’t comprehend that like Anderson Cooper and Bill OReilly, as different as they are, are all on the same Team, maybe they could admit at least they are Peers, but the whole Landscape is kind of just like “Suits” someone might Call them. Democrats aren’t like some kind of like Rebellious Movement as some Kids might imagine, they are afraid of Rebellion or that kind of Thing, they don’t want Abbie Hoffman on Talking about Politics, they want John Brennan, Former Head of the CIA.

Do You see what I am saying? Because I say that, to Point out that there was “Neo-Liberalism” which is like a Free Market, like “We don’t Care who You are or where You come from, how much Money do You have?” kind of Liberalism. Which was Violently Resisted by the Zapatistas for Example, who said “Por Paz y Contra Neoliberalismo” which means “For Peace and Against Neoliberalism”, they were Specifically Fighting Bill Clinton and NAFTA like Rob Perot. Then, there is “The New Left”, the “New Left” is what Happened in the 60s. Abbie Hoffman did not come to Join the Democrats at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, he saw them as Competition, he Described it as Competitive with the Rose Bowl. But when they Rioted at the DNC, it was a Wakeup Call for Democrats and they Changed. But no one understands this, so none of it is like Solid, Everyone is Walking around on this with loose Footing. These People don’t know what they are doing. So now, there is some Communist Ideology in our Schools, and maybe a level of Democratic-Socialist European Utopianism that People don’t Really know is out there among like People with Money and Things. And I think that is what they are Calling “Marxist”, her and the Fox News People. And You’re saying like She’s not being Accurate about how we got here, like, so, in the Russian Propaganda Video then You are Acknowledging that She’s not Wrong, She’s not Lying, what You’re saying is what, “It’s not the Whole Truth -though She is Right about the Specific Thing She is making it about”.


I’m just saying Watch her Videos, this is not a Debate, but Clearly I’ll get to all the Points, the Thread is just a Place to Watch all of her Podcasts She is on as WWIII unfolds, there is no “Plea”, lol.

And I’m not saying Trump knows what he’s doing, but Every President has Watched Iranians suffer under the Regime and Fight it, stood by and done nothing, said they Regretted it Later, but then the next one always Watched just the same. Like it’s a Nature Documentary about the “Natural Habitat of the Modern Iranian” instead of Stepping in. And the Epstein Files are out, Google “How did To Catch a Predator get Taken Off the Air” to see more about the stuff I mentioned in my last Response.

We Support Israel because they are the Only ally in a Sea of Muslim Brotherhood, or were until they took out Hamas and Hezbollah, Syria was Freed from Assad, and now Iran is in the midst of Regime Change. Not that I think it’s the Best Reason to align with them, but that is US Foreign Policy. And we could get into Arguments about the Bible too.


You said, “To me, they are voiced to influence through appeals to emotion rather than convince through logic. This is a red flag to me because as I said earlier, we are awash in propaganda created in service of various interests that have no interest in the wellbeing of our people. Appeals to emotion is one very effective tool in the propagandists tool kit.”, but that’s not like to say, they don’t Deserve to be Helped. And I wouldn’t have Voted for it, and we are Headed for some Real Turbulence ahead, like “Put Your Tray Tables in the full Upright Position”.

You say what do I suggest we “DO” and I can Share all kinds of Documents I’m putting together about the Middle East, South America, Africa, etc, and what we are going to “DO”, I’m saying, let’s Start by having Elica on Podcast as often as Possible, then on Joe Rogan’s Podcast, then into a Broader like Debate and Political Landscape, that we could say She’s already “Groomed” for. That’s why People think She’s Mossad, because of that Part.

 

[Angelicalist]

Everyone Study Elam and Susa since this is all going on.

Everyone should Read Ester, Ezra, Nehemiah, etc. there is an MIT Bible online and like the Blue Letter Bible. Judges 6 and 7 aren’t Directly Related, but I suggest those and Judges 5:20 or Judges 4 also.

Next Part of the back and forth:
Is anybody stopping her? Podcasts are cheap to produce. On YouTube, all she needs is an audience that will draw advertising. Or a sponsor willing to lose a very small sum of money producing her podcasts.

I listened to that Dan Senor podcast. In context of the podcast, the topic of which is the liberation of the people of Iran from the authoritarian theocracy now in power, he literally said "(US) liberals are against liberation". It is a false narrative. He sets up a straw man "Why are liberals against liberation" just so he can knock it down. A classic form of propaganda and a well known rhetorical fallacy. Liberals in the US are not against the liberation of the Iranian people from the heinous Iranian Islamist theocratic regime. We see that regime for what it is. It's an authoritarian government that recently suppressed protests by killing tens of thousands of people. We aren't opposed to the "liberation" of the people of Iran from them. We simply don't see how the US could accomplish this. We are against the US bombing Iran without a plan for how to accomplish this and we certainly are against a US invasion of Iran. Just look at what happened in Iraq. Or Vietnam. Or Somalia.

In that podcast titled "Why are liberals against liberation" Elicia said some absolutely bonkers things, such as:

"Iran is basically Zoroastrian"
"This move to turn Iran into basically a Islamic republic was basically overwhelmingly rejected by the Iranian people because they do not identify with that ideology"
"Liberals see the regime as a victim"
"Roots of the contemporary American West have been infused at its foundation with Marxism"

Regarding her comments about Iranian society, they are broad brush characterizations of what is a very diverse society with many different ethnic and tribal groups inside the borders of that country. So broad and sweeping that they ignore the large numbers of people who do not fit those characterizations. And that is my complaint about the vids you post. She made sweeping broad brush characterizations that have tiny grains of truth but on the whole are false.

And no. The "contemporary American West" has not been infused with Marxism. She said that without a shred of justification. I won't do as she does and produce a broad statement claiming to be able to read her mind and project a straw man onto her. I simply say if seems to me that she's up to something with her false narrative. As you say, the west is being flooded with disinformation. Those vids you posted reek of that.

I've asked for you to propose actionable suggestions for what you want the US to DO. If your suggestion is to give Elina more podcast time, well, given the number of vids you posted and the number of hits I got when I googled her name -- mission accomplished! I will leave our discussion at that.


My Response:
No, so, like, She’s going on Other People’s Podcasts. And She’s about to Publish a Book, so all the Media who didn’t already want to Talk to Her, can Call Her an Author and bring Her on to Discuss Her Book, and She can maybe even make like a few Million Dollars doing that Right now or whatever. But I’m just making the Correction, like, She’s not “Starting a Podcast” She has a “Body of Work” You might Call it, and She is “Making the Rounds” how there are like Comedy Club “Circuits” and Preachers, and Speakers of all kinds (maybe She’ll Talk to Graduating Students and Things somewhere), but that’s the kind of Thing I mean by “She’s going on Podcasts”, She is Currently like Engaging in a Communications Strategy, as like a Political Campaign might.

And I understand where You are coming from saying like “I can PROVE that Liberals want Liberation!”, She is Talking about the Pro-Hamas People wearing the Iraqi Scarves Calling it Palestinian Culture, there are a bunch of People acting like the Ayatollah like just “Loved Les Mis, and wasn’t so Bad as his Mentor before him”, like in News Papers, not just being Yelled out of a Megaphone at an Occupy style Protest Camp.

A lot of Iranians are Zoroastrian. But, Yeah, Iran is a Muslim Majority, She seems to be saying something more along the Lines of like “You know that Group of People in Hollywood is the People of the Book”, and Yes, Iranians do have Active Zoroastrian Temples, but like, She’s just saying like “Zoroastrianism is the Religion of the People of Iran”, like You could Start a Conversation with an Iranian about Zoroastrianism and they might know about like the Avesta, and they have like History with like “The Bab” and stuff.

And Your Framing of Her Framing there with the “Iranians did not choose this Regime, it is not their Ideology”, that is True. Taken out of Context it might seem kind of Crazy to say, but She’s saying like Iran had People Running around in Blue Suits looking like Beatles Album Covers and stuff, and Suddenly due to disagreements with the American CIA the Iranian People were thrust into a kind of Dark Age of Religious Authority, and I Personally do believe in Theocracy, so I’m saying like, they were taken to a Bad Place.

I understand there is Nuance, but there are Liberals that see the Regime as the Victim.

So now You are arguing that She “just makes Generalizations”, I mean, do You want to Argue about what She actually said somewhere? I mean, She Talks about Her Own Lived Experience with her Family and the Regime, She is Working to Challenge People’s understandings, like, what exactly did She say that was “Wrong”, I understand You’re saying that She is kind of Omitting Things or something, saying a Truth that doesn’t include Parts You see as missing, what is it She needs to Talk about for Everyone that You see?

“She said that without a shred of justification.”

I know She Named at Least 2 KGB Defectors for References, and I’m sure She got into more Evidence, and, also, so, like, She does have Evidence where You said She doesn’t, and Her Point actually in the Video was that the Guy She is Proving Wrong in the Video used Wikipedia as a Source, which got all its information from a Soviet Propaganda Campaign that goes back Decades and is so ingrained in our Society that Wikipedia is Regurgitating it.

And just to Expound on something, because my Responses here are not just Responses, they are Real. I want to Clarify the “Iranians are Zoroastrian” stuff.

1. If I Showed You this Symbol and said it was an Iranian Symbol:

Not too many Iranians would Argue. That is the Supreme Deity of Zoroastrianism.

Further, the History of the Region is such that, for example, the Jews and Persians got along because they were Monotheistic (unlike the Greeks in the 300 or Thermopylae (Athenian 300 Event)), the Babylonians got along with the Jews at First also (before Exiling them) but they wanted the Jews to bow to Statues of them. Persians were Zoroastrian, Monotheistic. The Old Testament provides no Explanation, but before like 1000 BC there was no 1 God Religion, Zoroaster Invented 1 God Religion, making the Other Gods into Angels, like Minor-Gods, Archangels, Angels, Demons, etc. the Book of Job is a kind of Zoroastrian Type Text and by some accounts is the Oldest Book of the Bible. What the Bible provides no Explanation for is, the Jews can’t have had 1 God before Zoroaster if our Current Timeline of History is accurate, and the Old Testament itself Shows they are all usually Pagan, e.g. the Idols in Judges 6, or the Golden Calf at the Bottom of Mt. Sinai.

The Jewish Oral Tradition supposedly was not Written Down until the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint. But, this is just to say, this is the Culture there. Cyrus the Great, etc. Iranians know about the History of Iran.

Also, the Title of the Podcast “Why are Liberals Against Liberation?” was a Bill Maher Episode and the Concept they wanted to Start with.

 

[Angelicalist]

This isn’t a Recording of a Live Conversation but it seems Recent, if You want to Skip to Elica it’s like 7:25 Timestamp.


In Iran this Week they Celebrated a Holiday that is like Diwali in India, or like the Holi Bonfire in India.

Nowruz - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Specifically Chaharshanbe Suri just Happened.

And,
This is kind of Obscure, and might not apply to all Iranians, but many Americans and Others sometime in the last like 15-20 Years were Introduced to a Movie Called “Zeitgeist” where Jesus was Compared to Mithras, and it was Claimed that Jesus didn’t exist and was instead just a Copy of Mithras, and that Mithras was Osiris or something. That Movie made a lot of False Claims, but did begin to Introduce People to Mithras.

There are a few Paths with this, for example the Roman Assassins that Killed Cesar with Brutus held up a “Liberty Pole” which has a Phrygian Cap on it. The “Old Man of the Mountain” was head of the “Hashashins” who came Later, but this is where the actual Word “Assassin” comes from, and they were in Iran. So there is like some Assassins Creed History here, and there Really was like Templars v. Assassins stuff going on. That is an Area of Study here.

But also, there were Mushroom Cults, Carl Ruck has many very Good Academic Papers Published on the Subject. The Phrygian Cap was Originally made from a Fungus.

Then there is the J Shaped Knife which Connects to the Omani Culture, so there are Cultural ties, and it actually Connects into Bull-Fighting. The Middle Eastern Nations’ Colors are the same as Christmas Colors because of these Connections, Red, White and Green. Mithras was the Government Cult of both Rome and Persia, it was a Rural Type Cult.

There is a Holiday in Iran where the King used to like give away his Old Wardrobe, and it’s connected, they were like Holidays of Promises and Contracts, which is how Gift Giving became the central Theme. The kind of Christmas Holiday largely does come from Mithras.

But like, so, this is the Zoroastrian God, the Grey Path, the Mace. And not all Iranians know this, but this is Zoroastrianism. It’s there in the Background of all of this. Like, the Statue of Liberty wouldn’t be Foreign.

 

[Angelicalist]

I’m going to go ahead and put this here too, if someone REALLY, REALLY, REALLY Hated this War and Bibi Netanyahu, You know who I’d contact if I were You? Peace Loving Israelis who want to be Your Friend, Hate or maybe just don’t like that Netanyahu is doing this, and want to do Things like have Lunch with a Palestinian or Lebanese Person or Iranian of the same Gender or whatever, just looking for Peace.

 

[Angelicalist]

So Goldie Ghamari just went on a Live Stream saying Iranians aren’t Muslim, or they would be Celebrating the End of Ramadan with the Rest of the Muslim World, instead of an Indigenous Zoroastrian Holiday, New Years.

Just thought I would put this here for 2 Purposes:

1. Elica was Criticized for saying Iranians were Zoroastrian, Goldie says Iranians are Zoroastrian.

2. Things for Everyone to think about when saying “These are Muslims”.

 

[Rocko]

She’sa very pretty born-and-raised-in-England pro-Israeli talking head loved by Fox.

I would do her.

That’s big of you.

 

[Angelicalist]

That’s big of you.

Lol.

Here is some more to get into, Related to Iran but not Elica Le Bon specifically. So I Worked with an Iranian Woman, Married to an Indian Man, we did like Contracts for SaaS Systems for like 3-1-1 Modernization Projects and Things, and the Team was like Oracle Trained from India with like Doctorates from Houston.

The Iranian Woman was the Wife of the CEO, She was CIO, in Charge of Database Conversion from Cobalt to Java. The Iranian Woman, was a Database Expert, the Backbone of the Company Really, making like SQL Databases and Things. The Government Systems are very outdated, I saw the Ft. Worth Water Department, it was like Black Screens with Green Words, and they wanted like Simple MS Word Type Drag and Drop and Click X Capability.

It was an Iranian Woman with an Indian Team behind this. Several 3-1-1 Oracle Telephony Projects and Things.

And I say all of that to say there are Brains both in Iran, and mostly Outside of Iran, who want to be Part of a New Iran, they’ve been waiting. And look at Stephen Wolfram and the Twitter, Uber, Bungie Armenian Team that was going to make “Bazillion Beings”, Persian Rugs are Iranian and Armenian, this is Armenian Culture we are Talking about somewhat too. Armenia was the First Nation to become Christian though at the State Level, so it has a wholly Different History from Iran. But Iran itself has many very Intelligent People, usually who Leave. The Regime was Hoping they could all be some kind of Sleeper Cells maybe or something, but now they can be like a Returning Force to Modernize Iran. They make our Government Systems and Things.

 

[HikerGuy83]

She’sa very pretty born-and-raised-in-England pro-Israeli talking head loved by Fox.

I would do her.

only in you dreams.......moron

 

[Angelicalist]

only in you dreams.......moron

Lol, a lot of Guys don’t have any Clue. There is like a Big like “I would do Her” like thought Pattern that is like Out there like that because like, I mean, I don’t know how Everyone’s Life has gone, but like I Personally thought like that from like the Age of 14 or whatever (because I had lots of Female Friends and a Sister with lots of Female Friends, so I had like a lot of Females Sleeping over and Things, and my Mom is like Admirable to Other Females, like my Wife also, they they are Good at being Female) until I can’t remember exactly when I actually like thought about it to the Full Extent. But like, I assume these People like see Her, and they think that, and they say it, and maybe even think it’s a Compliment, and I’m saying like, this is Common for like what You might Call a “Regular Guy” to like look at a Uber Celebrity like this, when like we could just be like “How would You even get say, near her, without being some Stalker?”, like “Who do You think You are?”, Really Probably is the Right Question.

But I don’t think they know. I don’t think they mean it insultingly or anything.

Yes though, like, he might not be able to get any from Her even in his Dreams.

And, so,
To Continue on with the Iran Discussion, I guess we Should Mention all this Russia stuff in this Thread is Important because the same kind of Thing like with Iran and Iraq. Like, we leave Iraq, Iran filled the Vacuum, and ISIS also Emerged. We leave Iran, Russia is Right there, and they Pretty much just lost Syria and Iran, and I’m not sure they are Completely unwilling to Work with Israel, I’m not sure, they were accusing Ukraine of being Nazis, but the Wagner stuff and Everything, I’m not sure it’s all Completely Cohesive, maybe it’s Different with like GRU now or whatever.

But, so, Russia is going to be Involved with all of this. And we are about to do like, so like, I used to Share this when Obama was President. And I would put #RelationshipGoals

https://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2010/05/white-house-press-pool-fruit-of-islam-collide-on-farrakhans-lawn-027303

Nothing against Obama. I just think that the Confrontation is something to look at, and understand. But I would Share that way back when Obama was President, with #RelationshipGoals and so, like if You can understand what Wagner Group is doing, can You Start to see where that Thought Leads?

 

[HikerGuy83]

I'd hit that!

Thanks for representing men with such dignity.

It's not like we don't show what POSs we are every day without such comments.

 

[HikerGuy83]

That’s big of you.

Is that a pun because it's pretty certain this guy suffers from tiny-penis syndrome.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I would do her.

She'd do you first.

 

[HikerGuy83]

But I don’t think they know. I don’t think they mean it insultingly or anything.

It doesn't matter......

It's a gutter comment.

And it reflects our continuing attitudes towards women.

Women are superior in almost all ways.

Why they want to become like men is beyond me.