Nearly 13 years old the ACA has proven GOP dead wrong... again, again, and again.

[Greenbeard]

Where are your facts health care costs plummeted?
For whom did they lower, because here is a FACT:
As Table 1 shows, the national average monthly premium paid in the individual market in 2013 was $244,
while by 2019 it was $558—more than doubling (a 129 percent increase) from 2013 to 2019.

Health care cost growth plummeted, it was near all-time lows in the years after the ACA passed. That's the total amount of spending on health care by Americans, not any cherry-picked market segment. The individual market is 5-6% of the American population, so trying to figure out what's happening to health care costs by looking at only that market segment makes little sense.

Anyway, per Trump's HHS, the average premium actually paid by families in the (individual) ACA marketplace in 2019 was $143 (HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGES 2019 OPEN ENROLLMENT REPORT | CMS). So hard to argue that the average family buying insurance on its own didn't come out ahead, anyway, even using your numbers.

 

[Greenbeard]

If you look at the line it’s gone up the same as it has been going up except 20M Americans are now covered. That’s an enormous win.

It actually slowed (pre-pandemic), which trying to eyeball a graph apparently doesn't reveal.

 

[g5000]

If you look at the line it’s gone up the same as it has been going up except 20M Americans are now covered. That’s an enormous win.

Obamacare was sold as the means to cut healthcare costs. It has not.

It was a bait-and-switch con.

 

[g5000]

Health care cost growth plummeted, it was near all-time lows in the years after the ACA passed.

Nope. That is patently false.

 

[Greenbeard]

Nope. That is patently false.

Nope, it’s verifiably true.

 

[Lesh]

Obamacare is a total disaster. It's a hoax, and always has been.

Bullshit. It got tens of millions insured and added zero to the debt

 

[Lesh]

Obamacare was sold as the means to cut healthcare costs. It has not.

It was a bait-and-switch con.

It was sold as a means to get uninsured people insured.

Everything else was ancillary

 

[Seymour Flops]

It was sold as a means to get uninsured people insured.

Everything else was ancillary

 

[dblack]

It was sold as a means to get uninsured people insured.

Everything else was ancillary

Exactly. It wasn't about getting everyone the health care they need. It was about funnelling as much money as possible to the insurance industry.

 

[Lesh]

Exactly. It wasn't about getting everyone the health care they need. It was about funnelling as much money as possible to the insurance industry.

Nope. Insurance companies fought it tooth and nail

 

[dblack]

Nope. Insurance companies fought it tooth and nail

They wrote it. Google Liz Fowler.

 

[Lesh]

They wrote it. Google Liz Fowler.

Busted! Health Insurers Secretly Spent Huge To Defeat Health Care Reform While Pretending To Support Obamacare

(Image credit: AFP via @daylife) No matter what your perspective on the Affordable Care Act, this shocking bit of news should concern—and disturb—you greatly. According to the National Journal’s Influence Alley, at the very same time the American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP)—the health...

www.forbes.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

 

[dblack]

Busted! Health Insurers Secretly Spent Huge To Defeat Health Care Reform While Pretending To Support Obamacare

(Image credit: AFP via @daylife) No matter what your perspective on the Affordable Care Act, this shocking bit of news should concern—and disturb—you greatly. According to the National Journal’s Influence Alley, at the very same time the American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP)—the health...

www.forbes.com

You've never heard of hedging your bets? Well, the insurance companies have, and while they were fighting "reform" with one hand, they used the DC revolving door, and K Street, to "insure" any that legislation that did happen to pass would keep them in tall cotton. It worked.

 

[Lesh]

You've never heard of hedging your bets? Well, the insurance companies have, and they used the DC revolving door, and K Street, to "insure" any that legislation that did happen to pass would keep them in tall cotton. It worked.

I just showed you that they spent MILLIONS fighting against the ACA and you come up with some half baked conspiracy bullshit

Typical

 

[dblack]

I just showed you that they spent MILLIONS fighting against the ACA and you come up with some half baked conspiracy bullshit

Typical

There's no conspiracy. Here, let me google that for you: max baucus obama liz fowler ACA revolving door - Google Search

 

[Lesh]

There's no conspiracy. Here, let me google that for you: max baucus obama liz fowler ACA revolving door - Google Search

Baucus himself did everything he could to sabotage the ACA

 

[dblack]

I just showed you that they spent MILLIONS fighting against the ACA and you come up with some half baked conspiracy bullshit

Typical

Here's a good bit on the whole thing from that whackadoodle conspiracy theorist Bill Moyers:

Stories From Washington's Revolving Door | BillMoyers.com

Take a look at some lawmakers and lobbyists who've made the switch from Capitol Hill to K Street, and vice versa, in the recent past.

billmoyers.com

 

[Lesh]

There's no conspiracy. Here, let me google that for you: max baucus obama liz fowler ACA revolving door - Google Search

Baucus warns of ‘huge train wreck’ enacting ObamaCare provisions

The Senate Finance Committee chairman said he fears people do not understand how the law will work.

thehill.com

 

[dblack]

Baucus warns of ‘huge train wreck’ enacting ObamaCare provisions

The Senate Finance Committee chairman said he fears people do not understand how the law will work.

thehill.com

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