Nearly 13 years old the ACA has proven GOP dead wrong... again, again, and again.

[Independent thinker]

That's non responsive. Verbal diarrhea.

That's non responsive. Verbal diarrhea.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hey dipshit he didn't mention gas prices in the post you quoted

Dumbass he not to long ago was crowing about gas being under 3.00

 

[citygator]

You ain't even right about the gas prices so shut the fuck up simp.

Yes I am. Prices fluctuate week to week bitch. $3.20 is the inflation adjusted historical price gas should be right now. Places near me are at that. 5 minutes up the road they are below that around $3.10.

 

[dblack]

Health Insurers Are Posting Record Profits Thanks to Public Cash

Major US health insurance companies are posting record profits while receiving most of their revenues from the government. But they’re still jacking up prices by double digits while leaving nearly half of the country underinsured or uninsured.

jacobin.com

 

[dblack]

Health Insurers Are Posting Record Profits Thanks to Public Cash

Major US health insurance companies are posting record profits while receiving most of their revenues from the government. But they’re still jacking up prices by double digits while leaving nearly half of the country underinsured or uninsured.

jacobin.com

"Back in 2010, Democrats sold the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to Americans as a way to both preserve a privately financed health insurance system and provide more affordable and expanded coverage.

Twelve years later, as health insurance companies report record profits, the opposite has happened: the nation’s major health insurance companies are receiving most of their money from the government, they just jacked up prices by double digits, and nearly half of the country is now underinsured or uninsured."

 

[pknopp]

Health Insurers Are Posting Record Profits Thanks to Public Cash

Major US health insurance companies are posting record profits while receiving most of their revenues from the government. But they’re still jacking up prices by double digits while leaving nearly half of the country underinsured or uninsured.

jacobin.com

These revenues are fueled in large part by the growth of Medicare Advantage plans, the expensive privatized Medicare plans operated by private health insurers that often wrongfully deny care.

A complete scam in itself but never let a scam go unfunded.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The quality of healthcare is exponentially worse than it was 15 years ago and you get to pay exponentially more. The only good thing is that the penalty isn't there anymore and individuals can decide on their own.

 

[healthmyths]

On March 23, 2010 Obama and a democratic House and Senate passed the ACA (Obamacare) 100% on party lines. Not one single Republican supported this plan. None. 58 Democratic Senators and 2 independents pushed the ACA through congress. The GOP issued doomsday warning of impending doom to our healthcare system. So where do we sit today?

• Zero increase in the out of pocket trend from ACA
• Zero increase in overall spending increase from ACA
• Historically low percentage of people uninsured
• Zero death panels are in place
• You can go to the doctor you want to go to

The GOP's dire warning regarding the Obamacare (ACA) have all ended up in the wasteland of unrealized fear mongering by people who only care about election, not service. Why would anyone support a group this wrong about everything? Tens of millions of lives improved with no corresponding economic downside.

OVERALL HEALTH CARE EXPENSES OVER TIME - Notice no change the to the trend line

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OUT OF POCKET SPENDING OVER TIME - Notice no change ot the trend line

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NUMBER OF UNINSURED AMERICANS - Notice all the lives positively impacted by legislation
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Sources

U.S. national health expenditure per capita 1960-2022 | Statista

Per capita national health expenditures in the United States have increased significantly since 1960.

www.statista.com

How Many Americans Are Uninsured?

Learn how many Americans are without health insurance. Explore the demographics of those who are uninsured, including variations by state, age, gender and race.

www.moneygeek.com

Out-of-pocket spending - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Country Comparison: Trend over time: By diagnosis: By race/ethnicity: By age: By sex: By insurance status: By health status: By amount, total population: Among people with large employer coverage, amount by setting: Among people with large employer coverage, distribution of cost-sharing by setting:

www.healthsystemtracker.org

FACT is there NEVER were 46 million uninsured as the following Proves!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...ions-about-obamacares-medicaid-expansion/From 2009-10,
Jonathan Gruber served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the administration and U.S. Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often referred to as the ACA or "Obamacare".
Gruber reported in the above...
Gruber and his coauthors, using data from the Census Bureau, estimate that Medicaid “produced 63% of the gains [in coverage] that we identified” for 2014.
THERE WAS NO NEED for ACA as 63% of ACA members were already covered by MEDICAID!

 

[Lesh]

FACT is there NEVER were 46 million uninsured as the following Proves!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...ions-about-obamacares-medicaid-expansion/From 2009-10,
Jonathan Gruber served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the administration and U.S. Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often referred to as the ACA or "Obamacare".
Gruber reported in the above...
Gruber and his coauthors, using data from the Census Bureau, estimate that Medicaid “produced 63% of the gains [in coverage] that we identified” for 2014.
THERE WAS NO NEED for ACA as 63% of ACA members were already covered by MEDICAID!
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A. You’re ignoring the fact that the ACA greatly expanded Medicaid.
Many of those people were not “already covered “ they as well as millions of others GOT coverage because of the ACA
B. 37% is a huge number

 

[Lesh]

The quality of healthcare is exponentially worse than it was 15 years ago and you get to pay exponentially more. The only good thing is that the penalty isn't there anymore and individuals can decide on their own.

The quality of healthcare is worse???

Says who?

By what metric?

 

[healthmyths]

A. You’re ignoring the fact that the ACA greatly expanded Medicaid.
Many of those people were not “already covered “ they as well as millions of others GOT coverage because of the ACA
B. 37% is a huge number

But THAT IS THE FACT! 14 million people were eligible for Medicaid BEFORE ACA! All Medicaid needed to do was be more active using their current funding to enroll these 14 million BEFORE ACA. Why was it necessary to RAISE ALL our health care insurance costs under the guise of the lie the 46 million uninsured WHEN 14 million were eligible for Medicaid and 11 million were NOT eligible i.e. ILLEGALS! As a consequence of Obamacare here is how OUR private insurance cost went up!

Obamacare Has Doubled the Cost of Individual Health Insurance​

Obamacare more than doubled health insurance costs for workers and families, with the national average premium increasing by 129 percent from 2013 to 2019.

Obamacare Has Doubled the Cost of Individual Health Insurance

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), known as Obamacare, produced major dislocations in the individual (non-group) health insurance market by imposing a raft of new mandates and regulations, coupled with new income-related coverage subsidies. The results have been not only reduced insurer choice and...

www.heritage.org

What is really sad is the ignorance of the general public (See the architect of Obamacare's opinion!!! below) and regarding health insurance
First of all this comment from the architect of Obamacare Jonathan Gruber to say because
"This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes,"
he said during a panel discussion at the University of Pennsylvania in October, 2013.
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the 'stupidity of the American voter' or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/11/11/obamacare-consultant-under-fire-for-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-comment/

This from the architect of Obamacare, Gruber who also said ..." using data from the Census Bureau, estimate that Medicaid “produced 63% of the gains [in coverage] that we identified” for 2014.

The CBO originally estimated that Obamacare would cost $940 billion over ten years.
That cost has now been increased to $1.683 trillion.

Facts About Obamacare | U.S. Congressman Scott Perry

perry.house.gov

So Obamacare was passed due to the "stupidity of the American Voter" per the architect of Obamacare and 63% of Obamacare enrollees were eligible BEFORE Obamacare for Medicaid again according to the architect of Obamacare!
Obamacare was passed because of the lie... "46 million uninsured"was not the whole truth, 11 million are illegals and 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...but the "stupidity of the American voter" believed that!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Bullshit. If you're that broke you have Medicaid

That’s something else conservatives are wrong about, red states that refused to expand Medicaid.

By refusing to expand Medicaid pursuant to the ACA, Republicans kept access to affordable healthcare from low-income working Americans at a greater expense to residents of those states saddled with higher healthcare costs passed on by hospitals who treated those uninsured.

 

[Lesh]

But THAT IS THE FACT! 14 million people were eligible for Medicaid BEFORE ACA! All Medicaid needed to do was be more active using their current funding to enroll these 14 million BEFORE ACA. Why was it necessary to RAISE ALL our health care insurance costs under the guise of the lie the 46 million uninsured WHEN 14 million were eligible for Medicaid and 11 million were NOT eligible i.e. ILLEGALS! As a consequence of Obamacare here is how OUR private insurance cost went up!

Obamacare Has Doubled the Cost of Individual Health Insurance​

Obamacare more than doubled health insurance costs for workers and families, with the national average premium increasing by 129 percent from 2013 to 2019.

Obamacare Has Doubled the Cost of Individual Health Insurance

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), known as Obamacare, produced major dislocations in the individual (non-group) health insurance market by imposing a raft of new mandates and regulations, coupled with new income-related coverage subsidies. The results have been not only reduced insurer choice and...

www.heritage.org

What is really sad is the ignorance of the general public (See the architect of Obamacare's opinion!!! below) and regarding health insurance
First of all this comment from the architect of Obamacare Jonathan Gruber to say because
"This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes,"
he said during a panel discussion at the University of Pennsylvania in October, 2013.
"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the 'stupidity of the American voter' or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/11/11/obamacare-consultant-under-fire-for-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-comment/

This from the architect of Obamacare, Gruber who also said ..." using data from the Census Bureau, estimate that Medicaid “produced 63% of the gains [in coverage] that we identified” for 2014.

The CBO originally estimated that Obamacare would cost $940 billion over ten years.
That cost has now been increased to $1.683 trillion.

Facts About Obamacare | U.S. Congressman Scott Perry

perry.house.gov

So Obamacare was passed due to the "stupidity of the American Voter" per the architect of Obamacare and 63% of Obamacare enrollees were eligible BEFORE Obamacare for Medicaid again according to the architect of Obamacare!
Obamacare was passed because of the lie... "46 million uninsured"was not the whole truth, 11 million are illegals and 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...but the "stupidity of the American voter" believed that!

13 years ago the “death panel” liars claimed that ACA would “cost” a trillion over 10 years. That was largely accurate except that that COST was not added to the debt.

Everything COSTS. Not everything is added to the debt

 

[Lesh]

The ACA has REDUCED the deficit

Affordable Care Act Still Reduces Deficits, Despite Tax Repeals | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) remains likely to reduce federal budget deficits substantially in coming years, despite December’s repeal of three ACA taxes. Repealing the excise tax on high-cost...

www.cbpp.org

 

[pknopp]

The ACA has REDUCED the deficit

Affordable Care Act Still Reduces Deficits, Despite Tax Repeals | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) remains likely to reduce federal budget deficits substantially in coming years, despite December’s repeal of three ACA taxes. Repealing the excise tax on high-cost...

www.cbpp.org

Can you note these reductions and tax increases for us?

But the ACA’s remaining spending reductions and tax increases will more than offset the cost of its coverage expansions.

 

[healthmyths]

The ACA has REDUCED the deficit

Affordable Care Act Still Reduces Deficits, Despite Tax Repeals | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) remains likely to reduce federal budget deficits substantially in coming years, despite December’s repeal of three ACA taxes. Repealing the excise tax on high-cost...

www.cbpp.org

Proof?
You wrote: "has reduced"
Yet the quoted article didn't say that... it says and I quote.."likely" NOT as you wrote "has reduced".

Moreover, the significant expansion of the ACA premium tax credits (PTCs) in the Inflation Reduction Act is not accounted for in the CBO/JCT report, so the severity of the fiscal unsustainability of government health programs is even worse than presented in that report.
According to CBO estimates, the three-year expansion of the PTCs will increase federal deficits by $64 billion
and a ten-year expansion would increasefederal deficits by $248 billion.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/explosion-medicaid-and-aca-spending-lessons-cbo-jct-health-subsidies-report

During his 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama promised voters that his health care plan would cut annual premiums by $2,500. That estimate assumed that the plan would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year,
or about 8 percent of national health spending projected for 2009.
Savings were attributed to policies that would reduce insurers’ administrative expenses,
expand use of health information technology (addressed in the 2009 economic stimulus legislation rather than the ACA),
and expand prevention and chronic disease management programs.
National health expenditure (NHE) data show that such savings have not been realized.
National health spending increased from $2.60 trillion in 2010 to $3.65 trillion in 2018

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/forefront.20200406.93812/

 

[Lesh]

Proof?
You wrote: "has reduced"
Yet the quoted article didn't say that... it says and I quote.."likely" NOT as you wrote "has reduced".
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Moreover, the significant expansion of the ACA premium tax credits (PTCs) in the Inflation Reduction Act is not accounted for in the CBO/JCT report, so the severity of the fiscal unsustainability of government health programs is even worse than presented in that report.
According to CBO estimates, the three-year expansion of the PTCs will increase federal deficits by $64 billion
and a ten-year expansion would increasefederal deficits by $248 billion.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/explosion-medicaid-and-aca-spending-lessons-cbo-jct-health-subsidies-report

During his 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama promised voters that his health care plan would cut annual premiums by $2,500. That estimate assumed that the plan would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year,
or about 8 percent of national health spending projected for 2009.
Savings were attributed to policies that would reduce insurers’ administrative expenses,
expand use of health information technology (addressed in the 2009 economic stimulus legislation rather than the ACA),
and expand prevention and chronic disease management programs.
National health expenditure (NHE) data show that such savings have not been realized.
National health spending increased from $2.60 trillion in 2010 to $3.65 trillion in 2018

https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/forefront.20200406.93812/

That article was written on 2020. It was noting that the ACA HAD reduced the deficit up to that point and was likely to continue doing so.

Reading is fundamental. It has NOT added to the debt

 

[pknopp]

That article was written on 2020. It was noting that the ACA HAD reduced the deficit up to that point and was likely to continue doing so.

Reading is fundamental. It has NOT added to the debt

Right and those taxes and reductions were never enacted.

 

[healthmyths]

That article was written on 2020. It was noting that the ACA HAD reduced the deficit up to that point and was likely to continue doing so.

Reading is fundamental. It has NOT added to the debt

Proof?

Overall, the fiscal stress from federal health programs continues to grow while the need for fundamental reform gets more urgent. Moreover, the significant expansion of the ACA premium tax credits (PTCs) in the Inflation Reduction Act is not accounted for in the CBO/JCT report, so the severity of the fiscal unsustainability of government health programs is even worse than presented in that report. According to CBO estimates, the three-year expansion of the PTCs will increase federal deficits by $64 billion and a ten-year expansion would increase federal deficits by $248 billion.
https://www.healthaffairs.org/conte...nding-lessons-cbo-jct-health-subsidies-report

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes I am. Prices fluctuate week to week bitch. $3.20 is the inflation adjusted historical price gas should be right now. Places near me are at that. 5 minutes up the road they are below that around $3.10.
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You said gas everywhere under 3.00 a gallon