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Maybe I Missed It...Does Someone Have A Clue To What NK Is Hoping For?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060706...rvx3lOes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ—

S.Korea media: More N. Korea rockets ready

1 hour, 47 minutes ago

North Korea has three or four more missiles on launch pads, South Korean media reported Thursday, while Japan said there was no sign the communist state was planning another immediate launch of a long-range rocket.

Chosun Ilbo, one of South Korea's largest newspapers, said the missiles the North were preparing were either short- or medium-range. The paper cited an unidentified senior South Korean official. Another major newspaper, JoongAng Ilbo, carried a similar report.

"There is a possibility that North Korea will fire additional missiles," Yonhap news agency quoted South Korean Defense Minister Yoon Kwang-ung as telling lawmakers.

North Korea test-fired seven missiles on Wednesday, triggering international condemnation. The missiles apparently fell into the sea without causing damage or injuries.

Shinzo Abe, the chief Cabinet secretary, told reporters in Tokyo that North Korea does not appear to have any of the long-range ballistic missiles ready for imminent launch, but said he could not rule out the possibility that one could be test-fired at a later point.

The North's Taepodong-2 missile is believed capable or reaching the United States with a light payload. A test of the missile Wednesday failed seconds after launch.

"We will keep watching the situation very closely," he said. "They are not prepared to launch another one right now."
 
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Well they aren't calling on taking out all the missile sites, but close:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008612
Rocket's Red Glare
Not-so-crazy Kim tells the world to pay up one more time.

Thursday, July 6, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

Most of the civilized world spent yesterday denouncing Kim Jong Il's July 4 fireworks display of launching several missiles into the Sea of Japan. The denunciations are all very nice, but the question is what lesson the world's leaders, especially those in China and South Korea, are going to learn from this latest North Korean provocation.

White House National Security Adviser Steve Hadley declared that "it's hard to get a sense on what" the North Koreans "think is to be achieved by this." But we suspect Mr. Hadley knows well enough, because this is the way Kim Jong Il always behaves when he wants to coax the U.S. and other countries into making further concessions.

Kim is at it again because his previous provocations have typically been rewarded. The most famous example is the 1994 Agreed Framework in which the Clinton Administration responded to Kim's nuclear threats by offering aid and the promise of nuclear energy plants. That deal collapsed in 2002 when Kim repudiated it, announced a secret nuclear program and kicked out U.N. inspectors.

Or consider what happened the last time Kim launched a missile, sending the Taepodong-1 over Japan in 1998. The Clinton Administration went back to the negotiating table and came close to concluding a missile version of the 1994 nuclear agreement. As part of that deal--negotiated by then-State Department Counsellor Wendy Sherman--the U.S. would launch North Korean satellites in return for the North's pledge to stop developing long-range missiles.

Given Pyongyang's abysmal record at keeping its promises, the more likely outcome would have been the theft of U.S. technology and the strengthening of the North's missile program. As late as mid-December 2000 White House sources were even suggesting that President Clinton might visit Pyongyang to conclude the deal. Negotiations stopped only when the Clinton Administration's time expired.

This time Kim has tried to raise the stakes by launching a Taepodong-2, which has the range to reach the Western U.S. The fact that the missile exploded less than a minute after launch is reassuring, especially if you live in Seattle. But Kim still hopes this launch will attract even greater accommodation, and some in the U.S. and South Korea may be ready to play along.

The last thing the U.S. should do is reward North Korea's missile provocation with direct talks. Yet before yesterday's missile tests, that is exactly what Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Richard Lugar advised. Former Clinton officials Ashton Carter and William Perry have accused President Bush of ignoring diplomatic options with Pyongyang, even as they also propose a pre-emptive military strike. But what are the six-party talks with the North if not multilateral diplomacy? The real story may be, as Nicholas Eberstadt argues in The Wall Street Journal today, that Kim Jong Il has concluded from recent U.S. actions toward Iran and North Korea that Mr. Bush is now as diplomatically pliable as Mr. Clinton.

Japan had the most forceful response yesterday, banning port calls by North Korean ships, charter flights and officials. A lone North Korean ferry currently floating off the northern Japanese port of Niigata won't be allowed to dock. Tokyo is also mulling more severe economic sanctions.

Pyongyang's launch is especially embarrassing to China and South Korea, both of which warned against a launch and both of which have propped up Kim's regime. U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Christopher Hill flew to Asia yesterday to consult with both countries, and his challenge is to get them to join Japan and the U.S. in putting more economic and political pressure on the North.

China doesn't want refugees pouring across its northern border and also doesn't want to be seen to be abandoning a client regime. However, the missile test is an opportunity for the U.S. to show Beijing that its support for Kim is creating other problems for Chinese interests, notably a more militarily assertive Japan.

In South Korea, one question is whether a change in policy toward the North must wait until a change of government in Seoul. President Roh Moo Hyun has staked much of his domestic political credibility on his "peace and prosperity policy." His party took a whipping in recent local elections and he's down in the polls, but the next presidential election isn't until December 2007.

North Korea's missile tests also point up the need for improved missile defenses, both regionally and in the U.S. South Korea announced last week the purchase of upgraded Patriot missiles from Germany. Japan is working closely with Washington to improve its fledgling missile defenses, including an agreement last week to allow the Pentagon to deploy Patriots at a U.S. base in Okinawa.

But nothing the U.S. and Japan might do is likely to accomplish much if China and South Korea refuse to pressure the North to abandon its nuclear program. This is what happens when a non-transparent, authoritarian regime is appeased long enough for it to acquire nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. The mullahs in Tehran have already absorbed that lesson. Iran, and other states that are considering going nuclear, will be closely watching how the world responds to Kim Jong Il's latest provocation.
 

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They see the weakness of America and they are pressing. They know we nor the rest of the world will really do anything. America is not even united during a time of war, NK and Iran see that and will take advantage of it.
 

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Remember the movie "Team America"? I now think their depiction of Kim Jong Il as a immature, spoiled, ugly, narcissistic, psychopathic mass murderer was entirely too generous.

I wonder, does the Orkin Man make house calls to North Korea?
 

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He wants an incentive package like Iran is being offered.
 
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Gianni said:
He wants an incentive package like Iran is being offered.
Actually, Iran wants what NK has already been given. Now NK wants more. Somehow I think they might find GW is a bit different than BC was, then again one never knows.
 

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What I mean is that lil Kim sees that Iran is getting something, so he's throwing a tantrum so he can get something too, even though he already has what Iran wants. It's all about him, he can't stand anyone else getting attention. I'm also not sure that China isn't behind it in some way. They may be encouraging him while acting like they are against it in the security council. They get to gauge our reaction, which would be helpful to them if they try to take Taiwan or make some other advance in the future.
 

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Gianni said:
He wants an incentive package like Iran is being offered.
I have an idea... let's nuke Iran, then tell little blow hard, he can have that, and one better, if he'd like

OK, just kidding.... but this is how spoiled little brats work... if you give one a lollipop, the other one wants two

So.... slap one up and down, then tell the other, if he'd like the same, just keep it up....

Call me a child abuser... wtf do I care?
 
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Gianni said:
What I mean is that lil Kim sees that Iran is getting something, so he's throwing a tantrum so he can get something too, even though he already has what Iran wants. It's all about him, he can't stand anyone else getting attention. I'm also not sure that China isn't behind it in some way. They may be encouraging him while acting like they are against it in the security council. They get to gauge our reaction, which would be helpful to them if they try to take Taiwan or make some other advance in the future.

As the article illustrated, for the past 20 years or so, Kim has used provocation to get what he wanted and it worked. Through the 'rewards' he was able to keep selling weapons, counterfeiting our currency, acting as a drug conduit, and developing nuclear capabilities. This was NOT lost on Iranian up and coming leadership...

Today they watch what the US and UN will do. Will we beg for more talks, as the DNC, China and Russia demand? Will we tell them to f off and blockade? Will we destroy their capabilities? Yeah, Iran is watching.
 

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Gianni said:
He wants an incentive package like Iran is being offered.
You do realize what this means, don't you? If we had capitulated to Saddam's demands and decided to go along with yet another go around with the UN (and another and another....), we'd now be dealing with Iraq, Iran and North Korea....

so, just for that one reason alone, invading Iraq was not such a bad idea, after all!
 

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Yes, having to deal with the entire "axis of evil" all at once would have been a lot worse. It's bad enough having to deal with the two we are now, while trying to rebuild the one we took out. Appeasement did not work with Iraq, and will not work with Iran or North Korea either, and the UN is not the answer.
 

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I think it's to show the world how utterly unwilling we are to do what it takes anymore to keep the world free.

Clinton gave gave china missile technology. He gave NK reactors which produce weapons grade uranium. Pretty soon the leaders of the west will tell us all, "Look we can't maintain our superiority anymore, we can't win, we have to do what they want". That will be that. We've been sold out slowly over he last several years. The New World Order is here.
 

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rtwngAvngr said:
Clinton gave gave china missile technology.
Actually, Loral Corp sold the missile technology to China. Clinton's role was that he agreed to the sale in exchange for Bernard Schwarz's $1 million donation to the DNC

Bernard Schwarz - CEO of Loral
 

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KarlMarx said:
Actually, Loral Corp sold the missile technology to China. Clinton's role was that he agreed to the sale in exchange for Bernard Schwarz's $1 million donation to the DNC

Bernard Schwarz - CEO of Loral


Jeez, how many ways did Clinton fuck this country? Anyone have a count?
:smoke:
 

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KarlMarx said:
Actually, Loral Corp sold the missile technology to China. Clinton's role was that he agreed to the sale in exchange for Bernard Schwarz's $1 million donation to the DNC

Bernard Schwarz - CEO of Loral


Yes. what was I thinking. I must be part of the vast right wing conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Juanita Broderick?
 

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IMO its pretty simple. Kim Jong Il has such a big inferiority complex that he's merely showing of the size of his rocket. He wants to show everyone that he has a huge rocket that can drive the ladies wild. Hey everyone, look at the size of Kim Jong's rocket. ITs sooooo big.

The guy defines the term megalomaniac. He drips with inferiority and has to show everyone everywhere that he is Kim Jong Il, an important person.
 

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insein said:
IMO its pretty simple. Kim Jong Il has such a big inferiority complex that he's merely showing of the size of his rocket. He wants to show everyone that he has a huge rocket that can drive the ladies wild. Hey everyone, look at the size of Kim Jong's rocket. ITs sooooo big.

The guy defines the term megalomaniac. He drips with inferiority and has to show everyone everywhere that he is Kim Jong Il, an important person.

This is actually a little more simple than that. We included North Korea in the 'axis of evil'. We have already attacked Iraq, and rumors always float about future invasions.

I think Kim Jong Il sees this weapons program as leverage. It is obviously a little more difficult to pull the trigger on an invasion of a country that is capable of wiping out a major city.
 

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1549 said:
This is actually a little more simple than that. We included North Korea in the 'axis of evil'. We have already attacked Iraq, and rumors always float about future invasions.

I think Kim Jong Il sees this weapons program as leverage. It is obviously a little more difficult to pull the trigger on an invasion of a country that is capable of wiping out a major city.

possibly. But then i think your overthinking Kim Jong Il. This is the man that let CNN and the AP know that he shot a round of 18 on his privately owned golf course that he had at the time recently opened. He begs for attention.
 

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You could be right, I guess neither of us can know for sure
 

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NK’s objective is to obtain a non-aggression pact with the US and material largess from SK and Japan. NK has seen what happened to the regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. It desperately wants to show that the price for taking out the NK government will be too high for the US to tolerate. There is no question that the price is too high. The results of short range nukes missiles fired at SK and Japan are too horrendous to contemplate. The nuke horse has left the barn (thanks to Clinton and Carter) and NK has America’s military sidelined because (among other things) we cannot permit the destruction of the 15 million people that live in Seoul. The only way out of NK’s nuke extortion is a bullet proof ABM system. Are we going to gamble that our ABM system will really work when pressed to knock down an armed weapon? Not if SK, Japan, and the residents of West Coast America have anything to say about it. ABM missiles, however, are not the only way to knock the NK missiles out of the air. There is also the 747 mounted high energy laser that is currently under development. Do not expect any help from China on this issue. The Chinese want to diminish SK influence in NK. They seek to prevent a merger of the two Koreas. The last thing that the Chinese want is a US influenced economic powerhouse on its NE border.
 

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