Lincoln said the Civil war was about taxes, not slavery...

[there4eyeM]

Look at a picture of the perpetual union guaranteed by the Constitution. Treason is attempting to destroy that.

 

[Picaro]

A 'perpetual union' clause in the Constitution would have been news to everyone at the Convention, especially Madison, Jefferson, and Adams. When was it put in, exactly? Had to be well after 1789.

 

[there4eyeM]

...but no surprise to anyone at the time who understood English, as they all did.
"..in order to form a MORE PERFECT Union." More is a comparative adjective here. They had a Union. The entire effort was at making the Union more solid. Only much later did revisionists try to forget what had been understood.

 

[Picaro]

Abraham Lincoln repeatedly stated his war was caused by taxes only, and not by slavery, at all.

"My policy sought only to collect the Revenue (a 40 percent federal sales tax on imports to Southern States under the Morrill Tariff Act of 1861)." reads paragraph 5 of Lincoln's First Message to the U.S. Congress, penned July 4, 1861.

"I have no purpose, directly or in-directly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so," Lincoln said it his first inaugural on March 4 of the same year.

There is no proof of Lincoln ever declaring the war was fought to abolish slavery, and without such an official statement, the war-over-slavery teaching remains a complete lie and offensive hate speech that divides Americans, as is being done now by the media and politicians regarding the Confederate flag in South Carolina.

Slavery was NOT abolished; just the name was changed to sharecropper with over 5 million Southern whites and 3 million Southern blacks working on land stolen by Wall Street bankers.

White, black, Indian, Hispanic, Protestant, Catholic and Jewish Confederates valiantly stood as one in thousands of battles on land and sea. Afterwards, they attended Confederate Veterans' reunions together and received pensions from Southern States.

Photos of black Confederate veterans may be seen in Alabama's Archives in Scrapbook – 41st Reunion of United Confederate Veterans, Montgomery, June 2,3,4 and 5, 1931."

Lincoln did not claim slavery was a reason even in his Emancipation Proclamations on Sept. 22, 1862, and Jan. 1, 1863. Moreover, Lincoln's proclamations exempted a million slaves under his control from being freed (including General U.S. Grant's four slaves) and offered the South three months to return to the Union (pay 40 percent sales tax) and keep their slaves. None did. Lincoln affirmed his only reason for issuing was: "as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said (tax) rebellion."

Mrs. Grant wrote in her personal memoirs: "We rented our pretty little home (in St. Louis) and hired out our four servants to persons whom we knew and who promised to be kind to them. Eliza, Dan, Julia and John belonged to me. When I visited the General during the War, I nearly always had Julia with me as nurse."

Lincoln declared war to collect taxes in his two presidential war proclamations against the Confederate States, on April 15 and 19th, 1861: "Whereas an insurrection against the Government of the United States has broken out and the laws of the United States for the collection of the revenue cannot be effectually executed therein."

On Dec. 25, 1860, South Carolina declared unfair taxes to be a cause of secession: "The people of the Southern States are not only taxed for the benefit of the Northern States, but after the taxes are collected, three-fourths (75%) of them are expended at the North (to subsidize Wall Street industries that elected Lincoln)." (Paragraphs 5-8)

It was on April 8, 1861, that Lincoln, alone, started the war by a surprise attack on Charleston Harbor with a fleet of warships, led by the USS Harriet Lane, to occupy Fort Sumter, a Federal tax collection fort in the territorial waters of South Carolina and then invaded Virginia.

Abraham Lincoln said war was over taxes, not slavery

sorry but a "new birth of freedom" was not about taxes

It was about tariffs, the Homestead Act, the transcontinental railroad, all of which changed toe entire tax structure of the Federal govt. and dumped massive amounts of Federal dollars on corporations, all the while punishing American consumers and leaving them prey to manufacturing monopolies and financial looting of the Treasury; all of that and much more started immediately upon Lincoln's inauguration and continues to this day.

 

[Picaro]

...but no surprise to anyone at the time who understood English, as they all did.
"..in order to form a MORE PERFECT Union." More is a comparative adjective here. They had a Union. The entire effort was at making the Union more solid. Only much later did revisionists try to forget what had been understood.

Yes, I forgot 'perfect' means 'perpetual' ... Now cite the rest of it, and we'll see if it's just part of a speech and not an actual legally binding clause ...

 

[there4eyeM]

For the perversely obstreperous, remember that the original Union was a perpetual union. The new Constitution was a continuation of the existing, perpetual union.
Please note the civility of this reply.

 

[Syriusly]

Preserve the Union by defeating those who would kill to destroy it for the sake of evil? Yes.

FDR sucks cause he unconstitutionally imprisoned Japanese Americans.

Dishonest Abe is great cause he unconstitutionally warred on Americans.

The South wanted to leave peacefully, but Abe said fuck you... I will kill you to came you.

Yes. He was also all for secession until he wasn't. His war was illegal, and his administration was illegal thuggery. What the South did or didn't support is irrelevant; secession wasn't illegal and Lincoln started the war, so only his motivations matter, not the South's. Lincoln's and the Republican Party's motivations were to create a massive welfare program for railroads and northern commercial interests, and to do so at the expense of taxing the South to pay for Federal projects that only benefited a few northern states, that's it, that was his whole policy.

We also know exactly what he had in mind to do with all those 'freed' slaves; they were to be confined to their plantations and not allowed to leave without the owner's written permission, and paid $3 a month wages. That was Lincoln's idea of 'freedom' for slaves, keep that cotton a comin' boys!

Lincoln committed the first act of war, blockading another country's ports, recognized all over the world as an act of war, and still is. That was the first 'shot' fired.

The 'Preserving The Union' nonsense was just silly sloganeering; all he wanted to 'preserve' was a fat tariff that fell far heavier on Southern interests than it did on railroads and northern business interests, hardly a glorious noble 'goal.

LOL- what an imaginative bunch of Confederate fan fiction.

 

[Syriusly]

[ All he managed to accomplish was far worse living conditions for blacks .

Oh you Confederate slavery apologists and your rationalizations.

President Lincoln through his actions freed more slaves than anyone in United States history.

Before they were freed, a mother could have her baby ripped out of her arms and sold down the river- a father had to stand and watch as his 12 year old daughter was led off to be raped by the master- or sold off to a brothel.

After they were freed- that could not happen legally.

You call that 'far worse living conditions'.

You have never forgiven Lincoln for his part in freeing the slaves.

 

[Picaro]

For the perversely obstreperous, remember that the original Union was a perpetual union. The new Constitution was a continuation of the existing, perpetual union.
Please note the civility of this reply.

So cite the entire section, then; let's see if your spin matches reality.

 

[Syriusly]

Lincoln, when talking about collecting tariffs, was referring to the states unlawfully interfering and obstructing federal duty.

Horseshit, and we have the legislative records to prove exactly what their priorities were and the Republicans and northern commercial interested wanted. Try again, Jake.

Lincoln was about Union first, and second, he would kill slavery if he could because it hurt the white workers of his race.

You all feel better now?

Yes, he was a 'ship them all back to Africa fan', Jake. You support him, not anybody else, so we understand why you're sad he got assassinated before he could finish his dictatorship. All he managed to accomplish was far worse living conditions for blacks and poor whites as well. Naturally you're proud of that, apparently. We know Scat Boi Unkotare is.

Did you fail History class in high school, dopey?

I gave you links to the history of quotes by Lincoln stating that the war was about taxes.

Except of course the war was started by the Confederates- South Carolina in particular- and South Carolina specifically said it was because of slavery.

We gave you those quotes- and you ignore them.

 

[Syriusly]

You revisers are a hoot for sure.

Do you deny that fact that the main goal of Lincoln was to preserve the Union and not to end slavery?

Jake has said that exact thing perhaps 5 or 6 times in this thread?

Lincoln sought to preserve the Union.
The Confederates attempted to secede over the rights to own slaves.
Lincoln, as part of his war strategy, freed the majority of slaves in the United States.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The fools don't care what they actual players had to say about their motivations, because the reasons were about everything except race and slavery.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You revisers are a hoot for sure.

Do you deny that fact that the main goal of Lincoln was to preserve the Union and not to end slavery?

Jake has said that exact thing perhaps 5 or 6 times in this thread?

Lincoln sought to preserve the Union.
The Confederates attempted to secede over the rights to own slaves.
Lincoln, as part of his war strategy, freed the majority of slaves in the United States.

The south tried to break the Union, so Lincoln broke the south by war and by ending slavery. Well played.

 

[Picaro]

Picara, your irresponsibility in discussing these matters is exceeded by your lack of context and nuance.

lol, you're funny. you don't know anything about this stuff, as you've proven repeatedly in the other threads on this.

He had the Congress end slavery in the territories in 1862.

So what? He also supported strengthening the Black Codes in Illinois to keep blacks out entirely, along with the other Mid-Western states. Why would he not keep supporting keeping them out of the territories??? He was a white nationalist after all, as were the vast majority of 'abolitionists', and they wanted to keep all of the new territories white. We've already pointed that out the last three time you kept bringing up what others have already shown over and over and over. You just can't read, Jake. Too bad it's a worthless red herring and the 'southern system' had already reached its natural limits anyway, but it made great propaganda for the political campaigns to scare the proles with visions of having blacks lowering their wages, though, slave or free.

He encourage his commanders to permit blacks to flee to Union lines.

And right into 'contraband camps', where hundreds of thousands of them died. You don't mind that, though, right? They weren't allowed to go into northern states, so your 'union lines' is just another fake 'talking point' like all of yours usually are.

He spanked the Congress in 1865 to pass the 13th Amendment and send it to the states for ratification.

Since many states were nothing but military dictatorships, so what? He only cared about that once his corrupt crony Salmon Chase pointed out that blacks couldn't vote in the rigged southern Reconstruction states, and since there were so few who could vote in northern states it wasn't much of a political risk to ram through a fraudulent 'Amendment'. You failed again, Jake.

Lincoln's comment about Africa was based on ignorance,

As are yours, only you can't overcome yours.

He employed more than 100,000 black soldiers and sailors, 33000 of which died in preserving the Union. Lincoln saw the blacks as a means to an end, and so acted accordingly.

Now you're bragging about his using them for cannon fodder as well, even as he had no intentions of granting them real freedom. Great point there Jake ...

"Far worse living conditions for blacks and poor whites" is a typically silly and unfounded statement by such as you who have no knowledge of the subject. Do you have empirical data to support your claim? Of course not.

Go do some sharecropping for a couple years, Jake, then get back to us on what a superior deal it was for them. Where is the 'empirical data' that proves they prospered as sharecroppers?

 

[Votto]

The fools don't care what they actual players had to say about their motivations, because the reasons were about everything except race and slavery.

Slavery was done away with because it was seen as one of the reasons the Union divided.

Collectivists like yourself only care about power. Anything that threatens it will be put on the chopping block.

 

[Syriusly]

[QU
Go do some sharecropping for a couple years, Jake, then get back to us on what a superior deal it was for them. Where is the 'empirical data' that proves they prospered as sharecroppers?

Go have your daughter sold to a brothel by your master- or your 7 year old sold to walk off to Alabama to be a cotton picker- and tell us how slavery was better than freedom.

 

[gipper]

[QU
Go do some sharecropping for a couple years, Jake, then get back to us on what a superior deal it was for them. Where is the 'empirical data' that proves they prospered as sharecroppers?

Go have your daughter sold to a brothel by your master- or your 7 year old sold to walk off to Alabama to be a cotton picker- and tell us how slavery was better than freedom.

Anyone who criticizes Lincoln's tyrannical actions wants the return of slavery...so thinks an idiot.

 

[Syriusly]

[QU
Go do some sharecropping for a couple years, Jake, then get back to us on what a superior deal it was for them. Where is the 'empirical data' that proves they prospered as sharecroppers?

Go have your daughter sold to a brothel by your master- or your 7 year old sold to walk off to Alabama to be a cotton picker- and tell us how slavery was better than freedom.

Anyone who criticizes Lincoln's tyrannical actions wants the return of slavery...so thinks an idiot.

Anyone who claims that people were better off being slaves than after they were freed- yeah that is another idiotic slavery apologist.

 

[Votto]

[QU
Go do some sharecropping for a couple years, Jake, then get back to us on what a superior deal it was for them. Where is the 'empirical data' that proves they prospered as sharecroppers?

Go have your daughter sold to a brothel by your master- or your 7 year old sold to walk off to Alabama to be a cotton picker- and tell us how slavery was better than freedom.

Anyone who criticizes Lincoln's tyrannical actions wants the return of slavery...so thinks an idiot.

Anyone who claims that people were better off being slaves than after they were freed- yeah that is another idiotic slavery apologist.

Slavery would have eventually been done away with.

But was it worth a million dead?

 

[gipper]

[QU
Go do some sharecropping for a couple years, Jake, then get back to us on what a superior deal it was for them. Where is the 'empirical data' that proves they prospered as sharecroppers?

Go have your daughter sold to a brothel by your master- or your 7 year old sold to walk off to Alabama to be a cotton picker- and tell us how slavery was better than freedom.

Anyone who criticizes Lincoln's tyrannical actions wants the return of slavery...so thinks an idiot.

Anyone who claims that people were better off being slaves than after they were freed- yeah that is another idiotic slavery apologist.

Slavery would have eventually been done away with.

But was it worth a million dead?

Yes of course, but this fact is missed on idiots who have been trained to worship the state and are too stupid to overcome the propaganda.

Only one nation in the New World had a disastrous war to end slavery. How is it that nations like Brazil could end slavery without a shot being fired, but we had a terrible war? This is missed on fools.


...and all because Dishonest Abe wanted money for the state and the R party.