Let's discuss why American marxists don't defect to marxist countries, shall we?

[Blaine Sweeter]

Probably for the same reason American fascists don't leave for fascist countries. The US is a great place to live.

The proof being an inveterate liar with zero policy knowledge but tremendous skills as a conman, who only avoided jail because of the wealth he inherited, who had adulterous affairs and then paid hush money to cover them up just before the election, who declared bankruptcy 6 times, then had to borrow money from a bank connected to the Russian mob, who is of low moral and ethical character, etc., got elected POTUS.

Donald Trump owned or operated over 500 businesses in his career, and filed bankruptcy five times; two of them for one industry. I'm sure any CEO would be proud of such a record. He never once filed personal bankruptcy.

When it comes to Russia, there is no law stating any American cannot do business with them. Our industries do business all the time with China. On the other hand, Hillary and the DNC paid Steele millions of dollars for phony information on Trump that he did get from the Russians. It was not a private business, it was a presidential election.

Do tell: what did Trump ever do that he should have been in jail or prison for?

"

Donald Trump owned or operated over 500 businesses in his career..."

Fucking A, I am so tired of seeing this lie passed around.
He did not have over 500 brick n' mortar businesses.
Every time he sold a license to a hotel or other hospitality company to use his name, he called that a business.
That's not a business.
That's a licensing deal.

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

How many marxists are there in the US? Maybe 500? If they left, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Please stop this innocence act. There has been enough info over many decades. And our direction is toward that. It does not have to be total. The Soviet Union before it fell was not that. China was until they found sweat shop capitalism. We will end up moving to gulags, labor camps and a lot of death. Why? Authoritarian governments do not leave so easily. Somewhere in their reign there is suffering.

You worship trump. Why do you support authoritarian government? He's the most authoritarian chief executive we've ever had. He even believes that he is entitled to unlimited power. As an American, I must oppose him and his attempts to establish a dictatorship in the U.S. Please stop your innocence act.

I'm sure you're one of the people that supported Hussein, the guy who tried to force everybody to buy a healthcare plan. During his time he closed down businesses, or made it harder for them to operate because they were an industry that he didn't believe in. The definition of an authoritarian is one who believes in the strictest obedience to their government. Can you tell me one time Trump ever did that?

Authoritarian is demanding public schools allow weirdo kids in dresses to enter your daughters shower, bathroom or dressing room. Authoritarian is removing food kids enjoyed eating in school, and putting your own undesirable food as the new menu, causing kids to go without eating. Or perhaps forcing restaurants to post calorie count of every food item they sell. Or even stopping stores from selling drink cups you don't approve of.

Nobody is more authoritarian than the Democrat party or their leaders.

There was a time when the gov't made it mandatory to wear seatbelts in cars.
Saved millions of lives.
There was a time when the gov't went all out on national PSAs to warn people about second-hand smoke.
Saved millions of lives.
Obamacare is more popular than ever, and has saved millions of lives.

Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts

Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts

Obamacare is more popular with American voters than the Republican-enacted tax cuts, according to a new Fox News Poll. Dems are campaigning on health care.

www.usatoday.com

Talk about throwing stones in a glass house. So according to you, authoritarianism is perfectly acceptable when such authoritarianism produces the results you approve of. Thanks for admitting that on behalf of yourself and your comrades.

The only authoritarian I know is the one currently in the White House.

" authoritarianism denotes any political system that concentrates power in the hands of a leader or a small elite that is not constitutionally responsible to the body of the people.""
Anybody who isn't LOYAL to Trump is gone.

 

[Mac1958]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

They're so locked in simplistic binary thought processes that shallow, ignorant, goofy hyperbole is all they can manage.

Plus, they finally realized that "socialist" wasn't scaring anybody. Obviously they'll soon find that out about "Marxist" too.

Let it be a cautionary tale. Don't let your mind atrophy at the hands of an ideology.

There seems to be no middle anymore. Anyone who doesn't support trump is a "marxist." Ignorance abounds, as does exaggeration.

Correct. There is no middle any longer. Who do we have to thank for that?

The two far ends, obviously, paralyzed by tribalism, childishly pointing the finger at the other, refusing to look in the mirror.

Dude, you know good and goddamn well that all this bullshit recently was started by ADMITTED Marxists.

If Marxists would get the fuck out of the Dem party, and the Dems stopped trying to take away our guns, I would actually consider voting for them.

I don't like the Jesus Nazis either, but they are not the greatest threat right now. The Fucking Bolshevists are.

The Democratic Party definitely lost its shit a while back. No doubt.

The top priority for me is getting rid of Trumpism, a truly ugly moment in this country's history. Then it's time to fix the fucked up Democratic Party, which needs it badly.

The nutters in each party have damn near wrecked this country, so fixing it will be a long process.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How many marxists are there in the US? Maybe 500? If they left, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Please stop this innocence act. There has been enough info over many decades. And our direction is toward that. It does not have to be total. The Soviet Union before it fell was not that. China was until they found sweat shop capitalism. We will end up moving to gulags, labor camps and a lot of death. Why? Authoritarian governments do not leave so easily. Somewhere in their reign there is suffering.

You worship trump. Why do you support authoritarian government? He's the most authoritarian chief executive we've ever had. He even believes that he is entitled to unlimited power. As an American, I must oppose him and his attempts to establish a dictatorship in the U.S. Please stop your innocence act.

I'm sure you're one of the people that supported Hussein, the guy who tried to force everybody to buy a healthcare plan. During his time he closed down businesses, or made it harder for them to operate because they were an industry that he didn't believe in. The definition of an authoritarian is one who believes in the strictest obedience to their government. Can you tell me one time Trump ever did that?

Authoritarian is demanding public schools allow weirdo kids in dresses to enter your daughters shower, bathroom or dressing room. Authoritarian is removing food kids enjoyed eating in school, and putting your own undesirable food as the new menu, causing kids to go without eating. Or perhaps forcing restaurants to post calorie count of every food item they sell. Or even stopping stores from selling drink cups you don't approve of.

Nobody is more authoritarian than the Democrat party or their leaders.

There was a time when the gov't made it mandatory to wear seatbelts in cars.
Saved millions of lives.
There was a time when the gov't went all out on national PSAs to warn people about second-hand smoke.
Saved millions of lives.
Obamacare is more popular than ever, and has saved millions of lives.

Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts

Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts

Obamacare is more popular with American voters than the Republican-enacted tax cuts, according to a new Fox News Poll. Dems are campaigning on health care.

www.usatoday.com

Talk about throwing stones in a glass house. So according to you, authoritarianism is perfectly acceptable when such authoritarianism produces the results you approve of. Thanks for admitting that on behalf of yourself and your comrades.

The only authoritarian I know is the one currently in the White House.

" authoritarianism denotes any political system that concentrates power in the hands of a leader or a small elite that is not constitutionally responsible to the body of the people.""
Anybody who isn't LOYAL to Trump is gone.

That's what we have courts for. Trust me, the Republicans took Hussein to court several times because of his authoritarianism. The Democrats took Trump to court because of their authoritarianism. Courts get to decide what's constitutional and what isn't, not you or I.

Correct, anybody that isn't loyal to President Trump is gone. You don't keep people on your team that's going to work against you or secretly working for the other side.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Probably for the same reason American fascists don't leave for fascist countries. The US is a great place to live.

The proof being an inveterate liar with zero policy knowledge but tremendous skills as a conman, who only avoided jail because of the wealth he inherited, who had adulterous affairs and then paid hush money to cover them up just before the election, who declared bankruptcy 6 times, then had to borrow money from a bank connected to the Russian mob, who is of low moral and ethical character, etc., got elected POTUS.

Donald Trump owned or operated over 500 businesses in his career, and filed bankruptcy five times; two of them for one industry. I'm sure any CEO would be proud of such a record. He never once filed personal bankruptcy.

When it comes to Russia, there is no law stating any American cannot do business with them. Our industries do business all the time with China. On the other hand, Hillary and the DNC paid Steele millions of dollars for phony information on Trump that he did get from the Russians. It was not a private business, it was a presidential election.

Do tell: what did Trump ever do that he should have been in jail or prison for?

"

Donald Trump owned or operated over 500 businesses in his career..."

Fucking A, I am so tired of seeing this lie passed around.
He did not have over 500 brick n' mortar businesses.
Every time he sold a license to a hotel or other hospitality company to use his name, he called that a business.
That's not a business.
That's a licensing deal.

Nobody gives their name to a business that's going to fail. Your name is your mark in the business world. Only about half of those businesses were name licensing. So take that out of the mix if it makes you happy. He owned or operated 250 businesses that had nothing to do with licensing. So that's one bankruptcy for every 50 businesses he actually ran or owned.

 

[dudmuck]

How many marxists are there in the US? Maybe 500? If they left, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Please stop this innocence act. There has been enough info over many decades. And our direction is toward that. It does not have to be total. The Soviet Union before it fell was not that. China was until they found sweat shop capitalism. We will end up moving to gulags, labor camps and a lot of death. Why? Authoritarian governments do not leave so easily. Somewhere in their reign there is suffering.

You worship trump. Why do you support authoritarian government? He's the most authoritarian chief executive we've ever had. He even believes that he is entitled to unlimited power. As an American, I must oppose him and his attempts to establish a dictatorship in the U.S. Please stop your innocence act.

I'm sure you're one of the people that supported Hussein, the guy who tried to force everybody to buy a healthcare plan. During his time he closed down businesses, or made it harder for them to operate because they were an industry that he didn't believe in. The definition of an authoritarian is one who believes in the strictest obedience to their government. Can you tell me one time Trump ever did that?

Authoritarian is demanding public schools allow weirdo kids in dresses to enter your daughters shower, bathroom or dressing room. Authoritarian is removing food kids enjoyed eating in school, and putting your own undesirable food as the new menu, causing kids to go without eating. Or perhaps forcing restaurants to post calorie count of every food item they sell. Or even stopping stores from selling drink cups you don't approve of.

Nobody is more authoritarian than the Democrat party or their leaders.

There was a time when the gov't made it mandatory to wear seatbelts in cars.
Saved millions of lives.
There was a time when the gov't went all out on national PSAs to warn people about second-hand smoke.
Saved millions of lives.
Obamacare is more popular than ever, and has saved millions of lives.

Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts

Fox News poll: Voters like Obamacare more than GOP tax cuts

Obamacare is more popular with American voters than the Republican-enacted tax cuts, according to a new Fox News Poll. Dems are campaigning on health care.

www.usatoday.com

Talk about throwing stones in a glass house. So according to you, authoritarianism is perfectly acceptable when such authoritarianism produces the results you approve of. Thanks for admitting that on behalf of yourself and your comrades.

One of the best books for understanding the modern GOP is Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians. Available for free at the link.

From the author's blog :
In another sense, however, the fidelity of Trump’s base remains astounding. He has made so many unforced errors because of his lack of understanding and low problem-solving intelligence, his vast ignorance, his enormous, never-ending dishonesty which seems as reflexive as his breathing, his explosive hostility, his uncontrollable vanity, his despicable demeaning of women, his squalid vulgarity, the stupidity of his stereotypes, the shabbiness of his thinking, the buffoonery of his parading, his attacks on the institutions he needs most to safeguard the country, his incredibly poor judgment about the character of those whom he has brought into his administration, his equally mind-numbing lack of judgment about foreign leaders, friend and foe, and his willingness to inflame Americans’ disagreements and turn them into conflagrations which make us that deeply divided house which the Gospels and Abraham Lincoln warned against—how can his supporters have stood so solidly behind him? You’d think they’d be having some second thoughts at least. The main reason, I submit, is that most of Trump’s backers are authoritarian followers—people who submit too much to the leaders they consider legitimate, trust them too much, and give them too much leeway to do whatever they want.

 

[Theowl32]

Love when American leftists deny they are marxists.

For some reason, not offended in ANY WAY commie Kaepernick wearing a castro shirt at a presser.

However a WHITE COACH wearing an American OANN T shirt while fishing is grounds for a national public apology and explanation.

Why?

Cause OANN was critical of blm.

The alinsky playbook. Who the fuck are they trying kid?

 

[daveman]

When we bring up this point, why don't leftists answer it? I asked a few weeks ago if there was anyone else that posts here that had members of their family executed by marxist tyrants. Didn't get an answer, other than some said my grandfather and uncle deserved to be executed.

Yet......


No one on the left "flee" to any of these socialist paradises to get away from tyranny of American colonialism and racism. Not ONE DOCUMENTED case of anyone of any color fleeing to Cuba, North Korea or China. Nothing.

When East Germany was it's own country, were there people in masses trying to escape West Germany to live there?

How about people trying to escape East Germany? Ohhhh, lots of them.....and some even made it.


So, why aren't self proclaimed American marxists who all benefit from the free market with their Iphones, cars their parents bought them, or shampoo they wash their delicate little heads with, escaping the tyranny of grocery stores and fast food restaurants to marxist countries?

Hmmmm?

chickenred
Someone who advocates Communism but is too cowardly to move to a Communist nation; who advocates the destruction of the US Constitution while hiding behind its protections; who condemns the American consumerism lifestyle while living that same lifestyle.
That woman at the protest handing out pro-Castro literature is a chickenred...she'd never move to Cuba.

 

[daveman]

How many marxists are there in the US? Maybe 500? If they left, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

GDP would go up as the drains on society left.

 

[Agit8r]

When we bring up this point, why don't leftists answer it? I asked a few weeks ago if there was anyone else that posts here that had members of their family executed by marxist tyrants. Didn't get an answer, other than some said my grandfather and uncle deserved to be executed.

Yet......


No one on the left "flee" to any of these socialist paradises to get away from tyranny of American colonialism and racism. Not ONE DOCUMENTED case of anyone of any color fleeing to Cuba, North Korea or China. Nothing.

When East Germany was it's own country, were there people in masses trying to escape West Germany to live there?

How about people trying to escape East Germany? Ohhhh, lots of them.....and some even made it.


So, why aren't self proclaimed American marxists who all benefit from the free market with their Iphones, cars their parents bought them, or shampoo they wash their delicate little heads with, escaping the tyranny of grocery stores and fast food restaurants to marxist countries?

Hmmmm?

I assume it is because few on the left or the "left" give a sh!t about Marx

 

[daveman]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

Sure, it's not at all rational and reasoned like "everybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi".

 

[daveman]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

They're so locked in simplistic binary thought processes that shallow, ignorant, goofy hyperbole is all they can manage.

Plus, they finally realized that "socialist" wasn't scaring anybody. Obviously they'll soon find that out about "Marxist" too.

Let it be a cautionary tale. Don't let your mind atrophy at the hands of an ideology.

The thing is, if you're not offended by having your Marxism pointed out, you're proving the charge correct.

 

[Lysistrata]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

Sure, it's not at all rational and reasoned like "everybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi".

But nobody says that., and, in any event, it would depend on the explanation that the person offers for their view. Reasoned? Or just a rant against some group of his/her fellow Americans. There are probably about 500 marxists in the U.S. on a bad day.

 

[LeftofLeft]

How many marxists are there in the US? Maybe 500? If they left, it wouldn't make much of a difference.

The 500 are the ones crazy enough to admit it. The rest are pussies that need to hide in Democrats’ clothing and bank on the cradle to grave entitlement cultures.

 

[LeftofLeft]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

They're so locked in simplistic binary thought processes that shallow, ignorant, goofy hyperbole is all they can manage.

Plus, they finally realized that "socialist" wasn't scaring anybody. Obviously they'll soon find that out about "Marxist" too.

Let it be a cautionary tale. Don't let your mind atrophy at the hands of an ideology.

There seems to be no middle anymore. Anyone who doesn't support trump is a "marxist." Ignorance abounds, as does exaggeration.

Trump has nothing to do with it. You people shit yourselves over anyone being proud of Capitalism or a valedictorian thanking Jesus.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Love when American leftists deny they are marxists.

For some reason, not offended in ANY WAY commie Kaepernick wearing a castro shirt at a presser.

However a WHITE COACH wearing an American OANN T shirt while fishing is grounds for a national public apology and explanation.

Why?

Cause OANN was critical of blm.

The alinsky playbook. Who the fuck are they trying kid?

It's not much different in their response when we call them Communists. When you suggest for them to visit the US Communist Party web site to compare policy differences between the Communists and them, those who do say that those are not real Communists. They can't even admit who they really are.

They endorsed the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and will likely do the same with Creepy Joe. If you think the Democrats and TDS people hate Trump, look what the CPA says about him.

 

[Lysistrata]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

They're so locked in simplistic binary thought processes that shallow, ignorant, goofy hyperbole is all they can manage.

Plus, they finally realized that "socialist" wasn't scaring anybody. Obviously they'll soon find that out about "Marxist" too.

Let it be a cautionary tale. Don't let your mind atrophy at the hands of an ideology.

There seems to be no middle anymore. Anyone who doesn't support trump is a "marxist." Ignorance abounds, as does exaggeration.

Trump has nothing to do with it. You people shit yourselves over anyone being proud of Capitalism or a valedictorian thanking Jesus.

People can be "proud" of capitalism, whatever you mean by that. A valedictorian should say something meaningful at a graduation. My objection to "thanking Jesus" is due to the current idea that some of most moronic of Christians have that need to showboat and carry on every chance they get. They are pretty rude. Other Christians, as well as people of other faiths, show more of a sense of decorum when speaking to a mixed audience. It's only the crude trump morons who go around calling people "marxist."

 

[LeftofLeft]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

They're so locked in simplistic binary thought processes that shallow, ignorant, goofy hyperbole is all they can manage.

Plus, they finally realized that "socialist" wasn't scaring anybody. Obviously they'll soon find that out about "Marxist" too.

Let it be a cautionary tale. Don't let your mind atrophy at the hands of an ideology.

There seems to be no middle anymore. Anyone who doesn't support trump is a "marxist." Ignorance abounds, as does exaggeration.

Trump has nothing to do with it. You people shit yourselves over anyone being proud of Capitalism or a valedictorian thanking Jesus.

People can be "proud" of capitalism, whatever you mean by that. A valedictorian should say something meaningful at a graduation. My objection to "thanking Jesus" is due to the current idea that some of most moronic of Christians have that need to showboat and carry on every chance they get. They are pretty rude. Other Christians, as well as people of other faiths, show more of a sense of decorum when speaking to a mixed audience. It's only the crude trump morons who go around calling people "marxist."

Your personal issues with Christianity aside, Marxists make a big deal out of Christianity present in the classroom and courthouse. Somehow the presence of the 10 Commandments is “showboating”?

 

[Mac1958]

The thing is, if you're not offended by having your Marxism pointed out, you're proving the charge correct.

But I'm not a Marxist. That's just your Trumpian arrogant ignorance oozing out again.

In fact, as a 20-year financial advisor/CFP, I'm a better capitalist than you'll ever be.

I understand, appreciate and respect both the strengths AND weaknesses of capitalism.

Capitalism in the hands of a Trumpster is like a loaded pistol in the hands of a toddler.

 

[Lysistrata]

This "everybody is a marxist" thing is just totally dumb. Not surprising coming from right-wingers.

They're so locked in simplistic binary thought processes that shallow, ignorant, goofy hyperbole is all they can manage.

Plus, they finally realized that "socialist" wasn't scaring anybody. Obviously they'll soon find that out about "Marxist" too.

Let it be a cautionary tale. Don't let your mind atrophy at the hands of an ideology.

There seems to be no middle anymore. Anyone who doesn't support trump is a "marxist." Ignorance abounds, as does exaggeration.

Trump has nothing to do with it. You people shit yourselves over anyone being proud of Capitalism or a valedictorian thanking Jesus.

People can be "proud" of capitalism, whatever you mean by that. A valedictorian should say something meaningful at a graduation. My objection to "thanking Jesus" is due to the current idea that some of most moronic of Christians have that need to showboat and carry on every chance they get. They are pretty rude. Other Christians, as well as people of other faiths, show more of a sense of decorum when speaking to a mixed audience. It's only the crude trump morons who go around calling people "marxist."

Your personal issues with Christianity aside, Marxists make a big deal out of Christianity present in the classroom and courthouse. Somehow the presence of the 10 Commandments is “showboating”?

I don't have "personal issues with Christianity," I have issues with the frauds like graham and falwell. Classrooms and courthouses are neutral territory for all religions. They are not places for any religion to proselytize, and some religionists are very aggressive. There have been several lawsuits over school staff trying to proselytize and indoctrinate the kids in their care when the parents aren't there. The Ten Commandments belong to two religions that I know of, and parents of those faiths are free to teach them to their children and take them to their preferred house of worship, as are people of other faiths. I remember that there were Jewish kids in my class before staff-lead prayer was banned, and every day they had to hear the teacher leading the class in the Lord's Prayer. It was only as an adult that I learned that this prayer is only Christian. What was that about?

Showboating is rude and reprehensible. If you want to showboat, go to Broadway.