Let us call the trump tantrum what it REALLY WAS....an attempted Coup!

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?
That's kind of a weird question. If a year from know voter fraud massive enough to have changed the outcome is proven Biden would have been sworn in and there would no absolutely no mechanism to redress the situation it would be a constitutional crisis beyond what I can speculate.

Having said that. I've seen multiple press conferences now from Trumps "elite legal team" they talked about massive evidence. So if I accept your premise that would mean they are lying. If they are lying about having evidence to the extent that the president is willing to urge states to ignore the results and appoint their own electors the premise of the OP would be correct.

It would be a mess, that's for sure.

The thing is their evidence is probably only circumstantial right now because they probably don't have legal access or time to get the access to the actual ballots, programming and records.

My issue is simple. Loss of House Seats, Probably no control of Senate, the bellweather counties being wrong for the first time in forever, all the shennanigans happening in Dem controlled clusters, and all leading toward late surges in Biden votes that led him to win.

now reverse the names, and honestly tell me as a Biden supporter that you wouldn't be skeptical?
Contact logic....

- Republicans gained seats in the House

- Republicans [likely] retain control of the Senate

- Trump gets some 11 million more votes than he got in 2016

Democrats cheated!!

I noticed you ignored my concern about all those votes flooding into Dem controlled areas late that swung the elections.
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.
That has to be one of the more moronic posts I've seen in a while. As I predicted, TRUMP! used every legal manuver available to him, and when they didn't work, the transition proceeds. It's stupid to think he wouldn't do anything different. Man, the TDS is strong today.

He tried to strong arm Legislative Republicans. Did you forget that little detail? Of Course you did....
And when nothing worked, the transition proceeds normally. Did you forget that little detail? Of course you did.... The bottom line remains, y'all are a bunch of panicked, hyperventilating blowhards infected with severe irrational fear and hatred for a man you don't know, have never met, never will meet, and hasn't even looked at you sideways.

"for a man you don't know"

Oh...we know the man.....we know the man better than we every wanted to know any human being. It didn't take long to realize what a huge POS he was....I really hoped that he would be a great President. I even predicted it. But...it turns out I was dead wrong. The man has never....nor will he ever be competent enough to hold the highest office in the country. He should have stayed where he was, bankrupting companies, sucking off simple and delusional bankers, and refusing to pay contractors.

Oh yes....WE DID KNOW THAT MAN. And judging from the vote, so did nearly 80,000,000 people in the US.
Like I said, irrational fear and hatred. It will be interesting to watch the next president get the same level of support that the last one did, and the reactions from his sycophantic supporters.
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?
That's kind of a weird question. If a year from know voter fraud massive enough to have changed the outcome is proven Biden would have been sworn in and there would no absolutely no mechanism to redress the situation it would be a constitutional crisis beyond what I can speculate.

Having said that. I've seen multiple press conferences now from Trumps "elite legal team" they talked about massive evidence. So if I accept your premise that would mean they are lying. If they are lying about having evidence to the extent that the president is willing to urge states to ignore the results and appoint their own electors the premise of the OP would be correct.

It would be a mess, that's for sure.

The thing is their evidence is probably only circumstantial right now because they probably don't have legal access or time to get the access to the actual ballots, programming and records.

My issue is simple. Loss of House Seats, Probably no control of Senate, the bellweather counties being wrong for the first time in forever, all the shennanigans happening in Dem controlled clusters, and all leading toward late surges in Biden votes that led him to win.

now reverse the names, and honestly tell me as a Biden supporter that you wouldn't be skeptical?
Contact logic....

- Republicans gained seats in the House

- Republicans [likely] retain control of the Senate

- Trump gets some 11 million more votes than he got in 2016

Democrats cheated!!
:cul2:
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?
That's kind of a weird question. If a year from know voter fraud massive enough to have changed the outcome is proven Biden would have been sworn in and there would no absolutely no mechanism to redress the situation it would be a constitutional crisis beyond what I can speculate.

Having said that. I've seen multiple press conferences now from Trumps "elite legal team" they talked about massive evidence. So if I accept your premise that would mean they are lying. If they are lying about having evidence to the extent that the president is willing to urge states to ignore the results and appoint their own electors the premise of the OP would be correct.

It would be a mess, that's for sure.

The thing is their evidence is probably only circumstantial right now because they probably don't have legal access or time to get the access to the actual ballots, programming and records.

My issue is simple. Loss of House Seats, Probably no control of Senate, the bellweather counties being wrong for the first time in forever, all the shennanigans happening in Dem controlled clusters, and all leading toward late surges in Biden votes that led him to win.

now reverse the names, and honestly tell me as a Biden supporter that you wouldn't be skeptical?
Contact logic....

- Republicans gained seats in the House

- Republicans [likely] retain control of the Senate

- Trump gets some 11 million more votes than he got in 2016

Democrats cheated!!

I noticed you ignored my concern about all those votes flooding into Dem controlled areas late that swung the elections.
:itsok:
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

I ask you again....WHY should the voters trust the GOP to govern this country again, after seeing them bow to an attempted Coup?

I think a better question for Democrats is why so many voters did trust Trumps Banana Republicans. Imo, messaging from the alt-right hits their targets better than the left? "Defund the Police" Tying "BLM to the riots" with a continuous loop of the riots., as well as playing on the fears of Socialist Dictators to the Latino population.

Dems need better messaging. Their reasoning is sound, but it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

But, "Fuck Freedom, More Government" easily fits on a bumper sticker.
Funny coming from a member of the herd who sold these actual bumper stickers...

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Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?
the purpose of foreign aid is certainly not to get the foreign country to sling mud for you against your likely opponent. lol.
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

I ask you again....WHY should the voters trust the GOP to govern this country again, after seeing them bow to an attempted Coup?

I think a better question for Democrats is why so many voters did trust Trumps Banana Republicans. Imo, messaging from the alt-right hits their targets better than the left? "Defund the Police" Tying "BLM to the riots" with a continuous loop of the riots., as well as playing on the fears of Socialist Dictators to the Latino population.

Dems need better messaging. Their reasoning is sound, but it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

But, "Fuck Freedom, More Government" easily fits on a bumper sticker.
Funny coming from a member of the herd who sold this actual bumper sticker...

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I find the sentiment accurate.

If progressive SJW morons like you want outright war, fine.
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?
the purpose of foreign aid is certainly not to get the foreign country to sling mud for you against your likely opponent. lol.

Wow, talk about being ignorant.
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?

Okay, let's look at the Logan Act and apply it to Biden and then to The Orange Criminal.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position

Biden had the authorization from the President AND Congress for his action. He not only had authorization he had the support. And his action was NOT for personal gain. No violation of the Logan act.

The Orange one did NOT have authorization from Congress. And it was for his own personal gain. Plus, it harmed the status of the United States of America. This was a clear Logan Act violation.
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

Offering personal trips to the White House for low level officials making a decision on the election amounts to a bribe
He tried to bribe the President of Ukraine to help his re- election. There is a shabby pattern of behaviour.

So no government leaders ever use foreign aid values to pressure others to do things they want them to do?

I think you need to give Israeli PM's a call when a Dem is in the White House to discuss things like this.
Foreign aid should have a humanitarian purpose as well as furthering the national interest of the donor. It should not be about eliminating an election opponent bu leveraging taxpayers money. In any normal court trump would have been convicted.
However in the kangaroo court that sat in judgement of Trump he was excused.

I define Kangaroo as the following. Having the accuseds mates form the Jury and allowing the accused to veto important witnesses. Maybe I am naive in this respect.
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

Offering personal trips to the White House for low level officials making a decision on the election amounts to a bribe
Let us know when the trial starts.
The election was the trial. Impeached Trump lost.
Yeah, hold onto that. I hear it helps.
It did help. It got Biden elected and Impeached Trump kicked to the curb. And even better than just winning the election, the cherry on top was the rightwing of America, led by Impeached Trump, melting down over their election fraud hoax.

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Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?
the purpose of foreign aid is certainly not to get the foreign country to sling mud for you against your likely opponent. lol.

Wow, talk about being ignorant.
you want to make the case that foreign aid is for that purpose, fatso? i would not be surprised.
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?

Okay, let's look at the Logan Act and apply it to Biden and then to The Orange Criminal.

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position

Biden had the authorization from the President AND Congress for his action. He not only had authorization he had the support. And his action was NOT for personal gain. No violation of the Logan act.

The Orange one did NOT have authorization from Congress. And it was for his own personal gain. Plus, it harmed the status of the United States of America. This was a clear Logan Act violation.

The President is authorized, so your argument is moot.

Cram the Logan act back up your well used ass.
 
Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Hahahaha not at all. I'm saying when Trump asked the Ukraine President to announce an investigation into Trumps chief political rival in the next election, (or he wouldn't get the aid), that was the corrupt act. Not simply using foreign aid to get a country to follow US policy.
 
Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

When did I call those acts a crime? The corrupt acts I described are not usual political maneuverings. They are not crimes codified in laws because nobody ever thought a President, or should I say a political party, would let a President get away with such blatant corruption.

But I suppose if Nixon had Faux News, the party might haave stood behind him.

Corruption is a crime. Again, are you saying no president has ever used foreign aid to get a country to do what it wants them to do?

Isn't that the whole fucking purpose of foreign aid?
the purpose of foreign aid is certainly not to get the foreign country to sling mud for you against your likely opponent. lol.

Wow, talk about being ignorant.
you want to make the case that foreign aid is for that purpose, fatso? i would not be surprised.

It's always been the case, it's just different for Trump because of "reasons"
 

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?
That's kind of a weird question. If a year from know voter fraud massive enough to have changed the outcome is proven Biden would have been sworn in and there would no absolutely no mechanism to redress the situation it would be a constitutional crisis beyond what I can speculate.

Having said that. I've seen multiple press conferences now from Trumps "elite legal team" they talked about massive evidence. So if I accept your premise that would mean they are lying. If they are lying about having evidence to the extent that the president is willing to urge states to ignore the results and appoint their own electors the premise of the OP would be correct.

It would be a mess, that's for sure.

The thing is their evidence is probably only circumstantial right now because they probably don't have legal access or time to get the access to the actual ballots, programming and records.

My issue is simple. Loss of House Seats, Probably no control of Senate, the bellweather counties being wrong for the first time in forever, all the shennanigans happening in Dem controlled clusters, and all leading toward late surges in Biden votes that led him to win.

now reverse the names, and honestly tell me as a Biden supporter that you wouldn't be skeptical?
Contact logic....

- Republicans gained seats in the House

- Republicans [likely] retain control of the Senate

- Trump gets some 11 million more votes than he got in 2016

Democrats cheated!!

I noticed you ignored my concern about all those votes flooding into Dem controlled areas late that swung the elections.
I ignored your hallucinations.
 

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