Let us call the trump tantrum what it REALLY WAS....an attempted Coup!

[ColonelAngus]

Hillary said he should not concede under any circumstances.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

I ask you again....WHY should the voters trust the GOP to govern this country again, after seeing them bow to an attempted Coup?

I think a better question for Democrats is why so many voters did trust Trumps Banana Republicans. Imo, messaging from the alt-right hits their targets better than the left? "Defund the Police" Tying "BLM to the riots" with a continuous loop of the riots., as well as playing on the fears of Socialist Dictators to the Latino population.

Dems need better messaging. Their reasoning is sound, but it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

 

[Montrovant]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wasn't the impeachment legal? It didn't stop plenty of posters here from calling it an attempted coup.

USMB likes to call things attempted coups, apparently.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

It's not a coup, it's part of the process. The legislatures certify the vote.

Are you saying that if fraud is found and proven, there is nothing that can be done about it?

Please show me what law exactly is being broken before you start brining AG's into it.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

He has had more than ample time to prove his case. The nations top CONSERVATIVE legal teams have all stepped away from this lie of fraud. Can not you see?.....trump has been lying through the entirely of this Regime. It all started when he lied about the size of his inauguration and his hands....and he has not stopped in four years.

You should have gotten a hint when he appointed dye bleeding Rudy to head his case. He was the last attorney in the country who was willing to peddle trump's fraud lie.

There will never be enough fraud proven to overturn this election. The incompetence and audacity of a Narcissistic Sociopath doomed his own re-election when he decided to LIE to the American People about a deadly virus. That is what took trump down. Did God send the Pandemic to save America from Authoritarianism? Think about it.....

Wow, now it "enough fraud to overturn" instead of no fraud.

What a goalpost moving little shit you are.

 

[martybegan]

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

Wow, back to calling usual political maneuvering some sort of crime....

but but but somehow its different when Trump does it because of "reasons"

 

[Daryl Hunt]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

It's not a coup, it's part of the process. The legislatures certify the vote.

Are you saying that if fraud is found and proven, there is nothing that can be done about it?

Please show me what law exactly is being broken before you start brining AG's into it.

If Fraud was found and it was presented to a Courtroom, that would be well within the rights. But to attempt to coerce the State Officials is criminal. That is Election Tampering. Stop playing stupid. Like Rudi, you know that he has no evidence and you know that it's illegal for "The one who's name shall not be uttered" to attempt to coerce the State Officials.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

He could very well be prosecuted for interfering with an election. That is a FELONY! He did not just commit simple voter fraud.....HE TRIED TO DISQUALIFY THE ENTIRE ELECTION. That is Voter Fraud on Steroids.

He had the right to challenge the vote count in court. HE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NULLIFY LEGALLY CAST VOTES.

"legally"

Everything he has done has been within the constitution.

Please prove otherwise before spouting off your cuck mouth.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

Offering personal trips to the White House for low level officials making a decision on the election amounts to a bribe

He tried to bribe the President of Ukraine to help his re- election. There is a shabby pattern of behaviour.

So no government leaders ever use foreign aid values to pressure others to do things they want them to do?

I think you need to give Israeli PM's a call when a Dem is in the White House to discuss things like this.

 

[Unkotare]

"Attempted coup"? The democrats successfully stole this election, and they did it right in our faces. The political and media wings of the democrat party don't even bother pretending anymore.

 

[martybegan]

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

I ask you again....WHY should the voters trust the GOP to govern this country again, after seeing them bow to an attempted Coup?

Why should Voters trust the vote ever again when Dems do everything they can to make fraud as easy as possible?

 

[Faun]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

Offering personal trips to the White House for low level officials making a decision on the election amounts to a bribe

Let us know when the trial starts.

The election was the trial. Impeached Trump lost.

 

[JimH52]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

That has to be one of the more moronic posts I've seen in a while. As I predicted, TRUMP! used every legal manuver available to him, and when they didn't work, the transition proceeds. It's stupid to think he wouldn't do anything different. Man, the TDS is strong today.

He tried to strong arm Legislative Republicans. Did you forget that little detail? Of Course you did....

And when nothing worked, the transition proceeds normally. Did you forget that little detail? Of course you did.... The bottom line remains, y'all are a bunch of panicked, hyperventilating blowhards infected with severe irrational fear and hatred for a man you don't know, have never met, never will meet, and hasn't even looked at you sideways.

"for a man you don't know"

Oh...we know the man.....we know the man better than we every wanted to know any human being. It didn't take long to realize what a huge POS he was....I really hoped that he would be a great President. I even predicted it. But...it turns out I was dead wrong. The man has never....nor will he ever be competent enough to hold the highest office in the country. He should have stayed where he was, bankrupting companies, sucking off simple and delusional bankers, and refusing to pay contractors.

Oh yes....WE DID KNOW THAT MAN. And judging from the vote, so did nearly 80,000,000 people in the US.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

That's kind of a weird question. If a year from know voter fraud massive enough to have changed the outcome is proven Biden would have been sworn in and there would no absolutely no mechanism to redress the situation it would be a constitutional crisis beyond what I can speculate.

Having said that. I've seen multiple press conferences now from Trumps "elite legal team" they talked about massive evidence. So if I accept your premise that would mean they are lying. If they are lying about having evidence to the extent that the president is willing to urge states to ignore the results and appoint their own electors the premise of the OP would be correct.

It would be a mess, that's for sure.

The thing is their evidence is probably only circumstantial right now because they probably don't have legal access or time to get the access to the actual ballots, programming and records.

My issue is simple. Loss of House Seats, Probably no control of Senate, the bellweather counties being wrong for the first time in forever, all the shennanigans happening in Dem controlled clusters, and all leading toward late surges in Biden votes that led him to win.

now reverse the names, and honestly tell me as a Biden supporter that you wouldn't be skeptical?

 

[martybegan]

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

Considering that he attempted to strong arm an ally, with US foreign aid, into performing a political favor and corrupt act, and the Banana Republicans accepted that corruption. Why would they consider him inappropriately injecting himself into a few states legislatures a corruption problem?

I ask you again....WHY should the voters trust the GOP to govern this country again, after seeing them bow to an attempted Coup?

I think a better question for Democrats is why so many voters did trust Trumps Banana Republicans. Imo, messaging from the alt-right hits their targets better than the left? "Defund the Police" Tying "BLM to the riots" with a continuous loop of the riots., as well as playing on the fears of Socialist Dictators to the Latino population.

Dems need better messaging. Their reasoning is sound, but it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

But, "Fuck Freedom, More Government" easily fits on a bumper sticker.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wasn't the impeachment legal? It didn't stop plenty of posters here from calling it an attempted coup.

USMB likes to call things attempted coups, apparently.

The thing is no one of matter is calling for the perpetrators of the impeachment to be removed via any other method than being voted out.

 

[JimH52]

"Attempted coup"? The democrats successfully stole this election, and they did it right in our faces. The political and media wings of the democrat party don't even bother pretending anymore.

He had his chance in Court over and over and over....and the only thing we ever were impressed with was dye streaming down the face of the "clueless" Rudy Giuliani.

 

[martybegan]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

It's not a coup, it's part of the process. The legislatures certify the vote.

Are you saying that if fraud is found and proven, there is nothing that can be done about it?

Please show me what law exactly is being broken before you start brining AG's into it.

If Fraud was found and it was presented to a Courtroom, that would be well within the rights. But to attempt to coerce the State Officials is criminal. That is Election Tampering. Stop playing stupid. Like Rudi, you know that he has no evidence and you know that it's illegal for "The one who's name shall not be uttered" to attempt to coerce the State Officials.

What you call tampering is what others call asking them to do their fucking job.

 

[Faun]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

That's kind of a weird question. If a year from know voter fraud massive enough to have changed the outcome is proven Biden would have been sworn in and there would no absolutely no mechanism to redress the situation it would be a constitutional crisis beyond what I can speculate.

Having said that. I've seen multiple press conferences now from Trumps "elite legal team" they talked about massive evidence. So if I accept your premise that would mean they are lying. If they are lying about having evidence to the extent that the president is willing to urge states to ignore the results and appoint their own electors the premise of the OP would be correct.

It would be a mess, that's for sure.

The thing is their evidence is probably only circumstantial right now because they probably don't have legal access or time to get the access to the actual ballots, programming and records.

My issue is simple. Loss of House Seats, Probably no control of Senate, the bellweather counties being wrong for the first time in forever, all the shennanigans happening in Dem controlled clusters, and all leading toward late surges in Biden votes that led him to win.

now reverse the names, and honestly tell me as a Biden supporter that you wouldn't be skeptical?

Con logic....

- Republicans gained seats in the House

- Republicans [likely] retain control of the Senate

- Trump gets some 11 million more votes than he got in 2016

Democrats cheated!!

 

[hadit]

America survived Trump's coup attempt. The media needs to be clear about why.

Establishing a line here is a critical function of journalism. Which is why it's important for the media to call what Trump's campaign tried to set in motion an attempted coup.

www.msnbc.com

SO...we had an Authoritarian Wannabe that was intent on taking the vote and the will of the people away. This is the same man who wanted his AG to arrest his political opponents in the last few weeks of the election. Now he was prepared to pull out his Dictator magic wand and wish away millions of legal votes. AND THE GOP WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS READY TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.

Now...tell me how either the GOP or trump can be trusted to govern this country again? The Party of Lincoln has become the Taliban of the United States.

"legal"

Nothing he has done so far is outside the law.

The simple fact is there simply isn't enough time to prove enough fraud, even if it happened, in the time given between the election and the certifications.

If the fraud is proven a year from now, would you condemn it? Would Biden Step down?

Wrong. When he tried to get those two Officials to change their votes and they tried to he crossed a very hard line. When he kept contacting the Republicans in various states attempting to get them to do a Legislative Coup, that's a very big line to cross. The Law Suits are one thing and well within his rights but when you attempt to get state officials to go against their own state laws by hook or by crook then you are a criminal. Guess what, the incoming AG may decide to bust him for it. It's not that we should but if we don't we can't afford for ANY sitting President to make that attempt again.

We aren't a Banana Republic and that is where things like that happen.

Offering personal trips to the White House for low level officials making a decision on the election amounts to a bribe

Let us know when the trial starts.

The election was the trial. Impeached Trump lost.

Yeah, hold onto that. I hear it helps.