Kidnapped Israeli Teenagers - A Palestinian View

That's because you're a sick piece of shit.

Not to mention, your opinion means little to nothing around here. Specially since you compared Nazis gassing Jews to the IDF using tear gas as a means of riot dispersal :lol:
There you go telling lies again.



That is exactly what you posted, that the IDF using non lethal crowd dispersal tactics was the same as the Nazis using cyanide gas to kill prisoners. It was only after you realised that you had made a gross error that you tried to back out.
 
Then how did it become occupied Palestinian territory after the 1967 war?

The 1949 armistice agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation. No Palestinian land was ceded to any of these occupiers. Jordan was promised the West Bank in a prewar agreement if it did not attack Israel in the upcoming war. Of course this agreement was illegal. When Jordan attempted to annex that land only Britain, who was in on the deal, and Pakistan recognized the move. It is illegal for an occupier to annex the land it occupies.

You' ve been spewing that 'the Armistice agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation' lie for quite a while now. It makes no sense, and you have never proven it either.
Also, the 'ceding land' crap is something you made up. Ceding land is a real estate issue and has NO merit in this conflict.

When will you stop lying and making up history??

I have posted the documents.

You have not posted anything to the contrary.




All you post is ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA that supports your POV, you never post supporting evidence of these links because you cant find any. A one trick pony that relies totally on the LIES of a Palestinian with an axe to grind
 
Probably a false flag operation to "justify" israel bombing palestine and randomly arresting hundreds of people.

The muzzies call us "infidels" and the jews consider us "unclean"...let them work out their own differences from now on with no more interference from the u.s.
 
That is exactly what you posted, that the IDF using non lethal crowd dispersal tactics was the same as the Nazis using cyanide gas to kill prisoners. It was only after you realised that you had made a gross error that you tried to back out.
That's not what I posted, that's the lie you and Toasty keep telling, because you don't have the moral integrity to deal with the point I was making.

And the point you and Toasty are trying to make, is the same one all you Israeli kiss asses always try make, which is to discredit and trash anyone criticizing Israel. You personally attack every single person who dares to say anything bad about Israel.

Well, **** Israel. The Mossad killed those 3 teens, just so Netanfuckyou could bomb the shit out of Gaza, until they broke up their unity government.
 
You' ve been spewing that 'the Armistice agreements divided Palestine into three areas of occupation' lie for quite a while now. It makes no sense, and you have never proven it either.
Also, the 'ceding land' crap is something you made up. Ceding land is a real estate issue and has NO merit in this conflict.

When will you stop lying and making up history??

I have posted the documents.

You have not posted anything to the contrary.




All you post is ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA that supports your POV, you never post supporting evidence of these links because you cant find any. A one trick pony that relies totally on the LIES of a Palestinian with an axe to grind

All three areas were defined by the green lane that was specifically not to be a political or territorial border.

What was the difference between those three areas?
 
That is exactly what you posted, that the IDF using non lethal crowd dispersal tactics was the same as the Nazis using cyanide gas to kill prisoners. It was only after you realised that you had made a gross error that you tried to back out.
That's not what I posted, that's the lie you and Toasty keep telling, because you don't have the moral integrity to deal with the point I was making.

And the point you and Toasty are trying to make, is the same one all you Israeli kiss asses always try make, which is to discredit and trash anyone criticizing Israel. You personally attack every single person who dares to say anything bad about Israel.

Well, **** Israel. The Mossad killed those 3 teens, just so Netanfuckyou could bomb the shit out of Gaza, until they broke up their unity government.




Did you or did you not reply to a post asking for evidence of your claim that Israel was using gas to kill the Palestinians with just like the Nazis.

Did you or did you not reply with a video of the IDF using non lethal tear gas to disperse a crowd and state "here you are" in your answering post.

The only point I have made is they you are a LYING POS JEW HATING NAZI ANTI SEMITIC TERRORIST SUPPORTING SCUMBAG

GOT IT !
 
I have posted the documents.

You have not posted anything to the contrary.




All you post is ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA that supports your POV, you never post supporting evidence of these links because you cant find any. A one trick pony that relies totally on the LIES of a Palestinian with an axe to grind

All three areas were defined by the green lane that was specifically not to be a political or territorial border.

What was the difference between those three areas?



For starters the original plan had the three areas because the arab muslims were greedy and wanted to rule everything. Now they are fighting amongst themselves for control of what they already had.

Ask why islam is involved in every theatre of war across the globe
 
That is exactly what you posted, that the IDF using non lethal crowd dispersal tactics was the same as the Nazis using cyanide gas to kill prisoners. It was only after you realised that you had made a gross error that you tried to back out.
That's not what I posted, that's the lie you and Toasty keep telling, because you don't have the moral integrity to deal with the point I was making.

And the point you and Toasty are trying to make, is the same one all you Israeli kiss asses always try make, which is to discredit and trash anyone criticizing Israel. You personally attack every single person who dares to say anything bad about Israel.

Well, **** Israel. The Mossad killed those 3 teens, just so Netanfuckyou could bomb the shit out of Gaza, until they broke up their unity government.
Are you, by some chance, operating under the delusion that anybody pays any serious attention to what you say here?

Your pro-Palestinian, pro-Muslim, pro-Arab poison reeks to high heaven, and your juvenile and profane approach has all the charm of a starter-kit for a fifth-grade debating club.

But you DO serve a purpose - you keep a variety of thread from going overly stale - as real posters jump-in to either challenge your delusional rants, or to counter-point those challenges.

Your unfounded, insane, asinine accusations of the Israelis killing their own are dismissed with extreme prejudice.

Another useful idiot kissing Militant Muslim ass.
 
That is exactly what you posted, that the IDF using non lethal crowd dispersal tactics was the same as the Nazis using cyanide gas to kill prisoners. It was only after you realised that you had made a gross error that you tried to back out.
That's not what I posted, that's the lie you and Toasty keep telling, because you don't have the moral integrity to deal with the point I was making.

And the point you and Toasty are trying to make, is the same one all you Israeli kiss asses always try make, which is to discredit and trash anyone criticizing Israel. You personally attack every single person who dares to say anything bad about Israel.

Well, **** Israel. The Mossad killed those 3 teens, just so Netanfuckyou could bomb the shit out of Gaza, until they broke up their unity government.

Here's how it played out:

Me: let me know when Israel gasses tens of thousands of Palestinians
You, directly quoting that part of my post: oh really? *posts video of Israel using tear gas to disperse riots.

And now you're getting pissed off that I brought it up again, so you're cursing and making ridiculous accusations.

BTW, where's the proof that Mossad did this?
 
That is exactly what you posted, that the IDF using non lethal crowd dispersal tactics was the same as the Nazis using cyanide gas to kill prisoners. It was only after you realised that you had made a gross error that you tried to back out.
That's not what I posted, that's the lie you and Toasty keep telling, because you don't have the moral integrity to deal with the point I was making.

And the point you and Toasty are trying to make, is the same one all you Israeli kiss asses always try make, which is to discredit and trash anyone criticizing Israel. You personally attack every single person who dares to say anything bad about Israel.

Well, **** Israel. The Mossad killed those 3 teens, just so Netanfuckyou could bomb the shit out of Gaza, until they broke up their unity government.

Here's how it played out:

Me: let me know when Israel gasses tens of thousands of Palestinians
You, directly quoting that part of my post: oh really? *posts video of Israel using tear gas to disperse riots.

And now you're getting pissed off that I brought it up again, so you're cursing and making ridiculous accusations.

BTW, where's the proof that Mossad did this?
Now that you mention it, I seem to recall that, as well, although, by now, it's been a while.

I also seem to recall commenting upon the idiotic and asinine equating of using tear-gas to break up a demonstration, with the use of lethal gas to commit mass murder.

You're dealing with a disingenuous drama queen and Goebbels Big Lie -style propagandist, but there are far too many rough edges to its approach, and an embarrassingly juvenile automatic-gainsay style of repartee, for it to be taken seriously.

He/she/it isn't exactly the brightest (or most honest) crayon in the box.

Like this latest blowhole spouting, about the Israelis killing those kids themselves, just to create an excuse to strike at the Palestinians.

Ask the little pekkerwood for a link from a credible source, pointing to Mossad as the likely triggermen for those three Israeli kids.

You won't get one, but ask... always good to show him/her/it up for what it is, while enjoying the crickets that follow such a request.
 
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That's not what I posted, that's the lie you and Toasty keep telling, because you don't have the moral integrity to deal with the point I was making.

And the point you and Toasty are trying to make, is the same one all you Israeli kiss asses always try make, which is to discredit and trash anyone criticizing Israel. You personally attack every single person who dares to say anything bad about Israel.

Well, **** Israel. The Mossad killed those 3 teens, just so Netanfuckyou could bomb the shit out of Gaza, until they broke up their unity government.

Here's how it played out:

Me: let me know when Israel gasses tens of thousands of Palestinians
You, directly quoting that part of my post: oh really? *posts video of Israel using tear gas to disperse riots.

And now you're getting pissed off that I brought it up again, so you're cursing and making ridiculous accusations.

BTW, where's the proof that Mossad did this?
Now that you mention it, I see to recall that, as well, although, by now, it's been a while.

I also seem to recall commenting upon the idiotic and asinine equating of using tear-gas to break up a demonstration, with the use of lethal gas to commit mass murder.

You're dealing with a disingenuous drama queen and Goebbels Big Lie -style propagandist, but there are far too many rough edges to its approach, and an embarrassingly juvenile automatic-gainsay style of repartee, for it to be taken seriously.

He/she/it isn't exactly the brightest (or most honest) crayon in the box.

Like this latest blowhole spouting, about the Israelis killing those kids themselves, just to create an excuse to strike at the Palestinians.

Ask the little pekkerwood for a link from a credible source, pointing to Mossad as the likely triggermen for those three Israeli kids.

You won't get one, but ask... always good to show him/her/it up for what it is, while enjoying the crickets that follow such a request.

Of course I won't get an answer.

How typical it is however for Pali supporters to always accuse Mossad as the ones who commits Palestinian atrocities :lol:

Such a lame and juvenile response
 
The bodies of three Israeli settlers who went missing on June 12th were found in a hastily dug shallow grave in Halhul, north of Hebron.

Since the teens went missing from Gush Etzion, a Jewish-only colony in the West Bank, Israel has besieged the 4 million Palestinians who already live under its thumb, storming through towns, ransacking homes and civil institutions, conducting night raids on families, stealing property, kidnapping, injuring, and killing. Warplanes were dispatched to bomb Gaza, again and repeatedly, destroying more homes and institutions and carrying out extrajudicial executions. Thus far, over 570 Palestinians have been kidnapped and imprisoned, most notably a Samer Issawi, the Palestinian who went on a 266-day hunger strike in protest of a previous arbitrary detention. At least 10 Palestinians have been killed, including at least three children, a pregnant woman, and a mentally ill man. Hundreds have been injured, thousands terrorized. Universities and social welfare organizations were ransacked, shut down, their computers and equipment destroyed or stolen, and both private and public documents confiscated from civil institutions. This wonton thuggery is official state policy conducted by its military and does not include the violence to persons and properties perpetuated by paramilitary Israeli settlers, whose persistent attacks against Palestinian civilians have also escalated in the past weeks. And now that the settlers are confirmed dead, Israel has vowed to exact revenge. Naftali Bennet, Economy Minister said, “There is no mercy for the murderers of children. This is the time for action, not words.”

Although no Palestinian faction has claimed responsibility for the abduction, and most, including Hamas, deny any involvement, Benjamin Netanyahu is adamant that Hamas is responsible. The United Nations requested that Israel provide evidence to support their contention, but no evidence has been forthcoming, casting doubt on Israel’s claims, particularly in light of its public ire over the recent unification of Palestinian factions and President Obama’s acceptance of the new Palestinian unity.

In the West, headlines over pictures of the three Israeli settler teens referred to Israel’s reign of terror over Palestine as a “manhunt” and “military sweep.” Portraits of innocent young Israeli lives emerged from news outlets and the voices of their parents are featured in the fullness of their anguish. The US, EU, UK, UN, Canada and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) condemned the kidnapping and called for their immediate and unconditional release. Upon discovery of the bodies, there has been an outpouring of condemnation and condolences.
THE SEARING HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST | Desertpeace
 
so? what is the point of your idiot cut and paste?------it reminds me of the whine
emitted from nus-kharah-allah after he breached the border----and killed several
Israelis and abducted a few for the joy of torturing them to death----he complained---
"if I knew they would REACT like that----I would not have done it..."---poor nus-kharah-allah--
2006? was that 2006?
 
Although hundreds of Palestinian children are kidnapped, brutalized or killed by Israel, including several in the past two weeks, there is rarely, if ever, such a reaction from the world.

Just prior to the disappearance of the Israeli settler teens, the murder of two Palestinian teens was caught on a local surveillance camera. Ample evidence, including the recovered bullets and a CNNcamera filming an Israeli sharpshooter pulling the trigger at the precise moment one of the boys was shot indicated that they were killed in cold blood by Israeli soldiers. There were no condemnations or calls for justice for these teens by world leaders or international institutions, no solidarity with their grieving parents, nor mention of the more than 250 Palestinian children, kidnapped from their beds or on their way to school, who continue to languish in Israeli jails without charge or trial, physically and psychologically tortured. This is to say nothing of the barbaric siege of Gaza, or the decades of ongoing theft, evictions, assaults on education, confiscation of land, demolition of homes, color coded permit system, arbitrary imprisonment, restriction of movement, checkpoints, extrajudicial executions, torture, and denials at every turn squeezing Palestinians into isolated ghettos.

None of that seemingly matters.

It does not matter that no one knows who murdered the Israeli teens. It seems the entire country is calling for Palestinian blood, reminiscent of American southern lynching rallies that went after black men whenever a white person turned up dead. Nor does it matter that these Israeli teens were settlers living in illegal Jewish-only colonies that were built on land stolen by the state mostly from Palestinian owners from the village of el-Khader. A huge portion of the settlers there are Americans, mostly from New York, like one of the murdered teens, who exercise Jewish privilege to hold dual citizenship; to have an extra country no matter where they’re from, one in their own homeland and one in ours, at the same time that the indigenous Palestinians fester in refugee camps, occupied ghettos, or boundless exile.

Palestinian children are assaulted or murdered every day and barely do their lives register in western press. While Palestinian mothers are frequently blamed when Israel kills their children, accused of sending them to die or neglecting to keep them at home away from Israeli snipers, no one questions Rachel Frankel, the mother of one of the murdered settlers. She is not asked to comment on the fact that one of the missing settlers is a soldier who likely participated in the oppression of his Palestinian neighbors. No one asks why she would move her family from the United States to live in a segregated, supremacist colony established on land confiscated from the native non-Jewish owners. Certainly no one dares accuse her of therefore putting her children in harms way.
THE SEARING HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST | Desertpeace
 
from the FANG.......

"A huge portion of the settlers there are Americans, mostly from New York, .......... exercise Jewish privilege to hold dual citizenship; "


The fang brings me back to my childhood-------I used to read lots of islamo Nazi literature---because
it was scattered around town in little pamphlets and periodicals and even showed up sometimes
in more "standard publications"--------If I remember correctly---it was sometime in the 1960s that
islamo Nazis promulgated a CITIZENSHIP LIBEL According to the islamo Nazi claim----
a "SPECIAL LAW" was pushed thru congress by powerful Zionists which granted to jews---
a special right-----jews and jews only were granted the right to retain USA citizenship----
whilst also being citizens in Israel. I read this same bit of islamo Nazi stuff so many times
that I believed it -------interesting that "word press" is still pushing that idiot Nazi lie and
interesting that fang cuts and pastes the idiot dirt
 
15th post
Not only that but notice the amount of bad-mouthing of Israel since Israel lost its backbone and has acted in a weak manner. Israel used to have respect for being strong, but not now. It lets Arab MKs speak treason, it gives back land, it releases convicted murderers and terrorists etc.

An admission that Land was taken :eusa_clap:

No, it was Israel's in the first place, then Jordan captured it, and Israel recaptured it. You should learn history.

How do you arrive at this conclusion?
 
Yes you can blame Israel because none of this shit would be going on if it wasn't for the occupation itself.

And the Israeli's are completely to blame for that.

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan when they attacked Israel.
Get your facts straight

I hope you don't mean in 1967? Too easy to disprove.
Get YOUR facts straight.
 
fanger, et al,

Well, based on the information in "open source" media, it would seem that the Israeli authorities know quite a bit about what happened. They evidently have the car (Hyundai i35), they evidently have forensic evidence that the murders were committed in the car, and evidence on the identities of at least two suspects by name.

EXCERPT VOA: Israel Finds Bodies of Kidnapped Teenagers said:
"The two principal terrorist suspects in the kidnapping are Marwan Kawasmeh and Amer Abu Eisheh, members of Hamas in Hebron, who are wanted" by Shin Bet and the army, a statement said."
SOURCE: Some information for this report was provided by AP, AFP and Reuters: Article by Robert Berger June 30, 2014
The United Nations requested that Israel provide evidence to support their contention, but no evidence has been forthcoming, casting doubt on Israel’s claims, particularly in light of its public ire over the recent unification of Palestinian factions and President Obama’s acceptance of the new Palestinian unity.
THE SEARING HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST | Desertpeace
(OBSERVATION)

Watch: Hamas Official Heaps Praise on 'Heroic' Kidnap Operation
Hamas 'political bureau' official Muhammad Nazal, hails abduction of three Israeli teenagers as a 'milestone in the Palestinian struggle'.​

Netanyahu: Mashal made it clear Hamas was committed to fighting Israel
Prime minister addresses Abbas condemnation of kidnapping for the first time, saying if the PA president really means them, he is obligated to end his pact with Hamas.​

Hamas Calls Special Press Conference, Says Nothing Important
Hamas (Hamas senior official, Salah Bardawil) claims they didn’t kidnap the boys, but they praise whoever did.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two points:

  • POINT #1: Incitement, encouragement and toleration:
    • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against other States or their citizens is a violation of A/RES/60/288.
    • Acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing, planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; S/RES/1373 (2001).

  • POINT #2: Recent Official Statement by HAMAS Senior Officials
    • HAMAS has openly encouraged and openly further incites the Kidnapping and Murder of non-combatants, citizens of the Occupation Force, in direct violation of International Law:
    • It is a direct violation for protected persons to commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or where the protected person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons. (Article 68 Geneva Convention IV)
    • 1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:
      (a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
      (b) Prevent such conduct;
      (c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct; [Para 1a, S/RES/1624 (2005)]​
    • 1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

      (a) Murder;
      (i) Enforced disappearance of persons;(Article 7 - Crimes against humanity, Rome Statutes)

There is no question that there are grounds for action. Further, it cannot be the case that the US, or any other nation, could support a Palestinian Unity Government between the PA/FATAH and HAMAS. You cannot be a support HAMAS (terrorist in character) and still provide support under US Law. [18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) - Providing material support to terrorists] Article 1(3) of Common Position 2001/931/CFSP sets out the meaning of "terrorist act".

√ "Terrorist acts" mean intentional acts which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or international organisation and which are defined as an offence under national law. These include:
• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;​

There needs to be open warrant for any and all HAMAS members. HAMAS has unequivocally advocated the use of terrorism against non-combatant. A violation of several principles, laws, and concepts for the maintenance of security and peace. They are all criminals.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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fanger, et al,

Well, based on the information in "open source" media, it would seem that the Israeli authorities know quite a bit about what happened. They evidently have the car (Hyundai i35), they evidently have forensic evidence that the murders were committed in the car, and evidence on the identities of at least two suspects by name.

EXCERPT VOA: Israel Finds Bodies of Kidnapped Teenagers said:
"The two principal terrorist suspects in the kidnapping are Marwan Kawasmeh and Amer Abu Eisheh, members of Hamas in Hebron, who are wanted" by Shin Bet and the army, a statement said."
SOURCE: Some information for this report was provided by AP, AFP and Reuters: Article by Robert Berger June 30, 2014
The United Nations requested that Israel provide evidence to support their contention, but no evidence has been forthcoming, casting doubt on Israel’s claims, particularly in light of its public ire over the recent unification of Palestinian factions and President Obama’s acceptance of the new Palestinian unity.
THE SEARING HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST | Desertpeace
(OBSERVATION)

Watch: Hamas Official Heaps Praise on 'Heroic' Kidnap Operation
Hamas 'political bureau' official Muhammad Nazal, hails abduction of three Israeli teenagers as a 'milestone in the Palestinian struggle'.​

Netanyahu: Mashal made it clear Hamas was committed to fighting Israel
Prime minister addresses Abbas condemnation of kidnapping for the first time, saying if the PA president really means them, he is obligated to end his pact with Hamas.​

Hamas Calls Special Press Conference, Says Nothing Important
Hamas (Hamas senior official, Salah Bardawil) claims they didn’t kidnap the boys, but they praise whoever did.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two points:

  • POINT #1: Incitement, encouragement and toleration:
    • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against other States or their citizens is a violation of A/RES/60/288.
    • Acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing, planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; S/RES/1373 (2001).

  • POINT #2: Recent Official Statement by HAMAS Senior Officials
    • HAMAS has openly encouraged and openly further incites the Kidnapping and Murder of non-combatants, citizens of the Occupation Force, in direct violation of International Law:
    • It is a direct violation for protected persons to commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or where the protected person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons. (Article 68 Geneva Convention IV)
    • 1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:
      (a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
      (b) Prevent such conduct;
      (c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct; [Para 1a, S/RES/1624 (2005)]​
    • 1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:

      (a) Murder;
      (i) Enforced disappearance of persons;(Article 7 - Crimes against humanity, Rome Statutes)

There is no question that there are grounds for action. Further, it cannot be the case that the US, or any other nation, could support a Palestinian Unity Government between the PA/FATAH and HAMAS. You cannot be a support HAMAS (terrorist in character) and still provide support under US Law. [18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) - Providing material support to terrorists] Article 1(3) of Common Position 2001/931/CFSP sets out the meaning of "terrorist act".

√ "Terrorist acts" mean intentional acts which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or international organisation and which are defined as an offence under national law. These include:
• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;​

There needs to be open warrant for any and all HAMAS members. HAMAS has unequivocally advocated the use of terrorism against non-combatant. A violation of several principles, laws, and concepts for the maintenance of security and peace. They are all criminals.

Most Respectfully,
R

This was not a Hamas job.
 
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