Kidnapped Israeli Teenagers - A Palestinian View

[Challenger]

...Yes I do and the outcome was that the muslims were allowed to carry on using the mosque. All of the above are illegal to possess in the UK so the mosque should have been closed down and then destroyed...

Basic principle of British justice-

You catch the "bad guy", give him/her a fair and open trial, following strict proceedures regarding evidence and testimony (i.e. no torture) and if subsequently convicted on the basis of the evidence presented to an independant jury, the "bad guy" and the bad guy alone, is punished.

We don't persecute the bad guy's family and friends nor do we demolish his home or church, really not the done thing in a civilised society, old chap.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They did not have an outright majority and needed support from other parties to get that majority. So they were toothless in the P.A. and could do nothing.

Look at the results of the election for the evidence of this, to be an elected majority means you have to hold 51% OF THE SEATS.

Hamas did win an absolute majority of seats. 76 out of 132.

Victory Ends 40 Years of Political Domination by Arafat's Party

The preliminary results, announced tonight by the Central Election Committee, were likened by Palestinians to an earthquake or a tsunami, ending more than 40 years of political domination by Fatah, the main political faction built by the late Yasir Arafat. Fatah, along with the Palestinian Authority, is widely viewed by Palestinians as corrupt and ineffective.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/international/middleeast/26cnd-hamas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The Nazi party also won legal elections in Germany.

Bush and Obama were elected too. Do you have a point?

The only point i see is that the people are easily duped.

 

[Ibentoken]

The Palestinian people are pawns.

 

[Hossfly]

Please don't be so ridiculous. I was discussing the nature of CS and its relatives - not its use or how I feel about its use by various military.

As for your supposed concerns for legality: they are risible when one considers the cavalier manner in which you've persistently ignored the US Constitution and numerous treaties we've signed.

How have I ignored the Constitution and numerous treaties?

Who said, "Bring in the US Marines, activate the USS Missouri and bomb the f*** out of Israel".

 

[Hossfly]

from the FANG.......

"A huge portion of the settlers there are Americans, mostly from New York, .......... exercise Jewish privilege to hold dual citizenship; "


The fang brings me back to my childhood-------I used to read lots of islamo Nazi literature---because
it was scattered around town in little pamphlets and periodicals and even showed up sometimes
in more "standard publications"--------If I remember correctly---it was sometime in the 1960s that
islamo Nazis promulgated a CITIZENSHIP LIBEL According to the islamo Nazi claim----
a "SPECIAL LAW" was pushed thru congress by powerful Zionists which granted to jews---
a special right-----jews and jews only were granted the right to retain USA citizenship----
whilst also being citizens in Israel. I read this same bit of islamo Nazi stuff so many times
that I believed it -------interesting that "word press" is still pushing that idiot Nazi lie and
interesting that fang cuts and pastes the idiot dirt

yet it is a proven fact that many muslims still retain their original citizenship so they can "visit home" and then go to one of the Islamic wars to fight for allah.

Just recently in a raid on a mosque in the UK foreign passports were found hidden in the roof space. along with weapons and terror training manuals. The government did nothing because the muslims might not vote for them in the next election

So the Brits are taking a page from Obama's book? Don't want to alienate voters?

 

[Hossfly]

I think, as with all these kinds of things, we need to try as much as possible to look at both sides of the story. It isundeniable, that Palestinian children, teenagers and adults die on a regular basis at the hands of Israelis and recieve next to no media attention. Even if we can try and understand the position of the Israelis, the bias of the media is harder to defend

You just wasted bandwidth printing that crock of BS.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

Oh... come on now.

Don't let me get to him? Listen dude, I don't play games.

What do you call the tear gas that looks like "smoke"?

(COMMENT)

It depends! It could be (most probably) CS or CN - a non-lethal riot/crowd control agent.

Is it legal to shoot a canister at an international journalist while they are trying to give a report on TV?

(COMMENT)

If the are inside the perimeter of control established by the police, it is not improper.

Are you actually trying to defend this shit?

One more thing, it is not legal to shoot tear gas at peaceful protestors.

(COMMENT)

What was that law again? Oh yes, failure to follow a lawful order by police?

Journalist, on-lookers, and protesters are often cordoned-off by police from a working scene or activity point. All sorts of non-lethal devices are used to establish this perimeter or stand-off distance. Your pocket phone video doesn't capture the entire event. But as an established behavior of Arab-Palestinians, what I see is an attempt to edge up behind a Law Enforcement Officer (LEO). The doctrine of Arab Palestinians to injure Israelis by any and all means warrants the action as a matter of safety.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hossfly]

Hamas did win an absolute majority of seats. 76 out of 132.

The Nazi party also won legal elections in Germany.

Bush and Obama were elected too. Do you have a point?

The only point i see is that the people are easily duped.

Same difference, Tinmore.

 

[Roudy]

How do we know those people were 'journalists'? I saw nothing to identify them as such - no station logo, nothing like that.

Because that is the title of the video.

And how do we know WHY the soldiers were telling them to leave the area? Do we have the soldiers on the video explaining what's going on?

What evidence do you have indicating they are not journalists?

Do you have any indication they are not aliens from Mars?

 

[Phoenall]

... 14 is a man according to the palestinians

One year older than Judaism then; a Jewish person becomes a man at 13 doesn't he? Yet in Israeli law the age of majority is 18, so why are so many minors in held in adult prisons in Israel?

In Palestinian law the age of majority is 14 and the age of culpability is 9 so that explains why so many are held in adult prisons Remember the two children held in an adult prison in the UK for murdering Janie Bulger

 

[Phoenall]

...Yes I do and the outcome was that the muslims were allowed to carry on using the mosque. All of the above are illegal to possess in the UK so the mosque should have been closed down and then destroyed...

Basic principle of British justice-

You catch the "bad guy", give him/her a fair and open trial, following strict proceedures regarding evidence and testimony (i.e. no torture) and if subsequently convicted on the basis of the evidence presented to an independant jury, the "bad guy" and the bad guy alone, is punished.

We don't persecute the bad guy's family and friends nor do we demolish his home or church, really not the done thing in a civilised society, old chap.

Only one problem at the time the government was bending over backwards to garner as many muslim votes as it could so it could stay in power. This meant that it allowed 12 year old white girls to be groomed and raped by pakistanl muslim men. It allowed 15 year old white girls to be raped and then murdered and minced up into kebabs and flooded the country with semi literate unemployable migrants. yet let a white man stand up and complain about the rape of countless schoolgirls and he is arrested, charged with racism and sees his good's liable to seizure under the proceeds of crime laws. As I said the mosque should have been confiscated and sold to the highest bidder on the grounds that it be demolished.

Before I forget the families of the white 12 year old schoolgirls were persecuted with threats of arrest and prison if they did not keep quiet. This would have led to the break up of the families and the loss of their homes as a consequence.
Now what were you saying about a civilised society ?

 

[Phoenall]

from the FANG.......

"A huge portion of the settlers there are Americans, mostly from New York, .......... exercise Jewish privilege to hold dual citizenship; "


The fang brings me back to my childhood-------I used to read lots of islamo Nazi literature---because
it was scattered around town in little pamphlets and periodicals and even showed up sometimes
in more "standard publications"--------If I remember correctly---it was sometime in the 1960s that
islamo Nazis promulgated a CITIZENSHIP LIBEL According to the islamo Nazi claim----
a "SPECIAL LAW" was pushed thru congress by powerful Zionists which granted to jews---
a special right-----jews and jews only were granted the right to retain USA citizenship----
whilst also being citizens in Israel. I read this same bit of islamo Nazi stuff so many times
that I believed it -------interesting that "word press" is still pushing that idiot Nazi lie and
interesting that fang cuts and pastes the idiot dirt

yet it is a proven fact that many muslims still retain their original citizenship so they can "visit home" and then go to one of the Islamic wars to fight for allah.

Just recently in a raid on a mosque in the UK foreign passports were found hidden in the roof space. along with weapons and terror training manuals. The government did nothing because the muslims might not vote for them in the next election

So the Brits are taking a page from Obama's book? Don't want to alienate voters?

The neo Marxists were doing it long before Obama was even heard of, and in this case it was muslim terrorist voters. They bought them by stealing the funds of the pensioners and putting many below the poverty line.