Kidnapped Israeli Teenagers - A Palestinian View

[MHunterB]

Not only is it a powder, but it's heat-activated. When the husband came home from an 'NBC' session - I made sure I washed his BDU's in cold water, and did NOT put them in the dryer just in case anything remained. Usually, I just washed 'em twice......

So you're saying it's okay to shoot them at anyone you feel like?

Please don't be so ridiculous. I was discussing the nature of CS and its relatives - not its use or how I feel about its use by various military.

As for your supposed concerns for legality: they are risible when one considers the cavalier manner in which you've persistently ignored the US Constitution and numerous treaties we've signed.

 

[Billo_Really]

How do we know those people were 'journalists'? I saw nothing to identify them as such - no station logo, nothing like that.

Because that is the title of the video.

And how do we know WHY the soldiers were telling them to leave the area? Do we have the soldiers on the video explaining what's going on?

What evidence do you have indicating they are not journalists?

 

[Billo_Really]

Please don't be so ridiculous. I was discussing the nature of CS and its relatives - not its use or how I feel about its use by various military.

As for your supposed concerns for legality: they are risible when one considers the cavalier manner in which you've persistently ignored the US Constitution and numerous treaties we've signed.

How have I ignored the Constitution and numerous treaties?

 

[MHunterB]

P F Tinmore; et al,

It doesn't really matter if HAMAS ordered the kidnapping and murder or not.

This was not a Hamas job.

(COMMENT)

My posting focuses on the:

• incitement to commit
• encouraging or tolerating

I consider that HAMAS is guilty of the depraved indifference for the law and the lives.

They have been so wanton, they have been so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon the HAMAS members who actually committed the kidnappings and muders.

Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the conduct of HAMAS (their advocacy and political support) in its open praise and solidarity for such activity; not the deaths actually resulting.

Most Respectfully,
R

You need to get off that Israeli propaganda.

That stuff will rot your brain.

Tinny, you're the one displaying symptoms of kuru. RoccoR's analysis of the situation and HAMAS' culpability is accurate and reflects the definitions used in US and international court systems.

It's a shame you've chosen to be so puerile in your 'response'.

 

[Picaro]

Reuther's, for one, doesn't employ any journalists, and most of the other 'international reporters' aren't real reporters, just PR hacks for various biased groups, like the Guardian or assorted propaganda rags. Real journalism pretty much died out in the 1990's, with 'Journalism' schools just churning out 'activists' or news readers. The only relatively unbiased news sources are the local ones, like Haaretz, the JP, and Arutz Sheva.

 

[Phoenall]

from the FANG.......

"A huge portion of the settlers there are Americans, mostly from New York, .......... exercise Jewish privilege to hold dual citizenship; "


The fang brings me back to my childhood-------I used to read lots of islamo Nazi literature---because
it was scattered around town in little pamphlets and periodicals and even showed up sometimes
in more "standard publications"--------If I remember correctly---it was sometime in the 1960s that
islamo Nazis promulgated a CITIZENSHIP LIBEL According to the islamo Nazi claim----
a "SPECIAL LAW" was pushed thru congress by powerful Zionists which granted to jews---
a special right-----jews and jews only were granted the right to retain USA citizenship----
whilst also being citizens in Israel. I read this same bit of islamo Nazi stuff so many times
that I believed it -------interesting that "word press" is still pushing that idiot Nazi lie and
interesting that fang cuts and pastes the idiot dirt

yet it is a proven fact that many muslims still retain their original citizenship so they can "visit home" and then go to one of the Islamic wars to fight for allah.

Just recently in a raid on a mosque in the UK foreign passports were found hidden in the roof space. along with weapons and terror training manuals. The government did nothing because the muslims might not vote for them in the next election

 

[Phoenall]

An admission that Land was taken

No, it was Israel's in the first place, then Jordan captured it, and Israel recaptured it. You should learn history.

How do you arrive at this conclusion?

very simple look at the original LoN plan for the M.E. and you see the extent of the land allocated for the JEWISH NATIONAL HOME. That land was stolen by the Hashemites to create Jordan, who then stole Jewish land in the west bank and annexed it as part of Jordan.

 

[Phoenall]

Yes you can blame Israel because none of this shit would be going on if it wasn't for the occupation itself.

And the Israeli's are completely to blame for that.

Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan when they attacked Israel.
Get your facts straight

I hope you don't mean in 1967? Too easy to disprove.
Get YOUR facts straight.

Then disporove it using non ISLAMONAZI SOURCES for your evidence, maybe the UN could point you in the right direction n

 

[Billo_Really]

very simple look at the original LoN plan for the M.E. and you see the extent of the land allocated for the JEWISH NATIONAL HOME. That land was stolen by the Hashemites to create Jordan, who then stole Jewish land in the west bank and annexed it as part of Jordan.

The West Bank is not Israel's.

That is the position of every ******* country on the planet.

 

[Slyhunter]

very simple look at the original LoN plan for the M.E. and you see the extent of the land allocated for the JEWISH NATIONAL HOME. That land was stolen by the Hashemites to create Jordan, who then stole Jewish land in the west bank and annexed it as part of Jordan.

The West Bank is not Israel's.

That is the position of every ******* country on the planet.

Map of Israel in the Time of Jesus Christ with Roads (Bible History Online)

 

[YellowBird]

I think, as with all these kinds of things, we need to try as much as possible to look at both sides of the story. It isundeniable, that Palestinian children, teenagers and adults die on a regular basis at the hands of Israelis and recieve next to no media attention. Even if we can try and understand the position of the Israelis, the bias of the media is harder to defend

 

[P F Tinmore]

very simple look at the original LoN plan for the M.E. and you see the extent of the land allocated for the JEWISH NATIONAL HOME. That land was stolen by the Hashemites to create Jordan, who then stole Jewish land in the west bank and annexed it as part of Jordan.

The West Bank is not Israel's.

That is the position of every ******* country on the planet.

Map of Israel in the Time of Jesus Christ with Roads (Bible History Online)

Map of Israel, indeed.
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http://www.bible-history.com/maps/Map-Palestine-New-Testament-Times.gif

 

[Phoenall]

fanger, et al,

Well, based on the information in "open source" media, it would seem that the Israeli authorities know quite a bit about what happened. They evidently have the car (Hyundai i35), they evidently have forensic evidence that the murders were committed in the car, and evidence on the identities of at least two suspects by name.

"The two principal terrorist suspects in the kidnapping are Marwan Kawasmeh and Amer Abu Eisheh, members of Hamas in Hebron, who are wanted" by Shin Bet and the army, a statement said."
SOURCE: Some information for this report was provided by AP, AFP and Reuters: Article by Robert Berger June 30, 2014

THE SEARING HYPOCRISY OF THE WEST | Desertpeace

(OBSERVATION)

Watch: Hamas Official Heaps Praise on 'Heroic' Kidnap Operation

Hamas 'political bureau' official Muhammad Nazal, hails abduction of three Israeli teenagers as a 'milestone in the Palestinian struggle'.​

Netanyahu: Mashal made it clear Hamas was committed to fighting Israel

Prime minister addresses Abbas condemnation of kidnapping for the first time, saying if the PA president really means them, he is obligated to end his pact with Hamas.​

Hamas Calls Special Press Conference, Says Nothing Important

Hamas (Hamas senior official, Salah Bardawil) claims they didn’t kidnap the boys, but they praise whoever did.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two points:

• POINT #1: Incitement, encouragement and toleration:
  
  • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against other States or their citizens is a violation of A/RES/60/288.
    
  • Acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing, planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; S/RES/1373 (2001).

• POINT #2: Recent Official Statement by HAMAS Senior Officials
  • HAMAS has openly encouraged and openly further incites the Kidnapping and Murder of non-combatants, citizens of the Occupation Force, in direct violation of International Law:
  • It is a direct violation for protected persons to commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or where the protected person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons. (Article 68 Geneva Convention IV)
  • 1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:
    
    (a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
    (b) Prevent such conduct;
    (c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct; [Para 1a, S/RES/1624 (2005)]​
  • 1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
    
    
    (a) Murder;
    (i) Enforced disappearance of persons;(Article 7 - Crimes against humanity, Rome Statutes)​

There is no question that there are grounds for action. Further, it cannot be the case that the US, or any other nation, could support a Palestinian Unity Government between the PA/FATAH and HAMAS. You cannot be a support HAMAS (terrorist in character) and still provide support under US Law. [18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) - Providing material support to terrorists] Article 1(3) of Common Position 2001/931/CFSP sets out the meaning of "terrorist act".

√ "Terrorist acts" mean intentional acts which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or international organisation and which are defined as an offence under national law. These include:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;​

There needs to be open warrant for any and all HAMAS members. HAMAS has unequivocally advocated the use of terrorism against non-combatant. A violation of several principles, laws, and concepts for the maintenance of security and peace. They are all criminals.

Most Respectfully,
R

This was not a Hamas job.

can you prove it in light of the overwhelming evidence of hamas being involved.

 

[Phoenall]

fanger, et al,

Well, based on the information in "open source" media, it would seem that the Israeli authorities know quite a bit about what happened. They evidently have the car (Hyundai i35), they evidently have forensic evidence that the murders were committed in the car, and evidence on the identities of at least two suspects by name.

​

(OBSERVATION)

Watch: Hamas Official Heaps Praise on 'Heroic' Kidnap Operation

Hamas 'political bureau' official Muhammad Nazal, hails abduction of three Israeli teenagers as a 'milestone in the Palestinian struggle'.​

Netanyahu: Mashal made it clear Hamas was committed to fighting Israel

Prime minister addresses Abbas condemnation of kidnapping for the first time, saying if the PA president really means them, he is obligated to end his pact with Hamas.​

Hamas Calls Special Press Conference, Says Nothing Important

Hamas (Hamas senior official, Salah Bardawil) claims they didn’t kidnap the boys, but they praise whoever did.​

(COMMENT)

I would like to make two points:

• POINT #1: Incitement, encouragement and toleration:
  • Organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities intended to be committed against other States or their citizens is a violation of A/RES/60/288.
  • Acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing, planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; S/RES/1373 (2001).

• POINT #2: Recent Official Statement by HAMAS Senior Officials
  • HAMAS has openly encouraged and openly further incites the Kidnapping and Murder of non-combatants, citizens of the Occupation Force, in direct violation of International Law:
  • It is a direct violation for protected persons to commit an offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or where the protected person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons. (Article 68 Geneva Convention IV)
  • 1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:
    (a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
    (b) Prevent such conduct;
    (c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct; [Para 1a, S/RES/1624 (2005)]​
  • 1. For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
    
    (a) Murder;
    (i) Enforced disappearance of persons;(Article 7 - Crimes against humanity, Rome Statutes)​

There is no question that there are grounds for action. Further, it cannot be the case that the US, or any other nation, could support a Palestinian Unity Government between the PA/FATAH and HAMAS. You cannot be a support HAMAS (terrorist in character) and still provide support under US Law. [18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) - Providing material support to terrorists] Article 1(3) of Common Position 2001/931/CFSP sets out the meaning of "terrorist act".

√ "Terrorist acts" mean intentional acts which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or international organisation and which are defined as an offence under national law. These include:

• attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
• attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
• kidnapping or hostage taking;​

There needs to be open warrant for any and all HAMAS members. HAMAS has unequivocally advocated the use of terrorism against non-combatant. A violation of several principles, laws, and concepts for the maintenance of security and peace. They are all criminals.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed. They are a violent criminal gang, and they were first elected by 'Palestinians' in Gaza, in what most of the 'international observers' claimed at the time was a 'free and fair' election, so these BS claims of 'collective punishment being unfair' are utter nonsense, and always have been.

Not true. They were the elected majority in the Palestinian Authority. That was in the West Bank and Gaza.

They did not have an outright majority and needed support from other parties to get that majority. So they were toothless in the P.A. and could do nothing.

Look at the results of the election for the evidence of this, to be an elected majority means you have to hold 51% OF THE SEATS.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore; et al,

It doesn't really matter if HAMAS ordered the kidnapping and murder or not.

This was not a Hamas job.

(COMMENT)

My posting focuses on the:

• incitement to commit
• encouraging or tolerating

I consider that HAMAS is guilty of the depraved indifference for the law and the lives.

They have been so wanton, they have been so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon the HAMAS members who actually committed the kidnappings and muders.

Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the conduct of HAMAS (their advocacy and political support) in its open praise and solidarity for such activity; not the deaths actually resulting.

Most Respectfully,
R

You need to get off that Israeli propaganda.

That stuff will rot your brain.

What Israeli propaganda, it is supported by evidence from hamas itself.

 

[Billo_Really]

Map of Israel in the Time of Jesus Christ with Roads (Bible History Online)

What happened 2000 years ago, don't mean shit today.

It carry's no legal weight.

 

[Billo_Really]

What Israeli propaganda, it is supported by evidence from hamas itself.

Then lets see it.

 

[Slyhunter]

Map of Israel in the Time of Jesus Christ with Roads (Bible History Online)

What happened 2000 years ago, don't mean shit today.

It carry's no legal weight.

Same can be said about what happened 50 years ago.

 

[Phoenall]

Did you or did you not reply to a post asking for evidence of your claim that Israel was using gas to kill the Palestinians with just like the Nazis.

Did you or did you not reply with a video of the IDF using non lethal tear gas to disperse a crowd and state "here you are" in your answering post.

The only point I have made is they you are a LYING POS JEW HATING NAZI ANTI SEMITIC TERRORIST SUPPORTING SCUMBAG

GOT IT !

My point was the Israeli's use gas to, not they use gas like the Nazis.

That's just what you and Toasty keep trying to spin it in to.

No you stated categorically that the Israeli's were using gas to kill Palestinians like the Nazis did to the Jews. When asked to provide evidence you posted a video of non lethal tear gas being used for riot control and stated categorically that it showed Israelis gassing Palestinians. So your whole point was a BARE FACED LIE that Israel was using gas to kill Palestinians.

Just one of a long list of your comparisons that are just figments of your JEW HATRED FANTSY WORLD.

 

[Billo_Really]

Same can be said about what happened 50 years ago.

No it can't.

50 years ago was a violation of international law.