keys to the kingdom

[Meriweather]

How's this.

Doesn't work with me. It's your own angle, your own interpretation. I hear not your voice.

 

[hobelim]

Doesn't work with me. It's your own angle, your own interpretation. I hear not your voice.

You hear not? Who knew?

Now many will know what Jesus meant by saying, "If you have ears to hear then hear!" and they'll also know the subject of the deaf hearing the blind seeing and the dead rising to life.

Thanks for helping me reveal the wisdom of God in giving the command to not eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate by so generously demonstrating the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for setting that simple and easy to comply with instruction aside.

 

[ding]

Now many will know what Jesus meant by saying, "If you have ears to hear then hear!" and they'll also know the subject of the deaf hearing the blind seeing and the dead rising to life.

Thanks for helping me reveal the wisdom of God in giving the command to not eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate by so generously demonstrating the terrifying and deeply disturbing death, a curse, for setting that simple and easy to comply with instruction aside.

Sophistry.... and not a particularly clever one at that.

 

[hobelim]

Sophistry.... and not a particularly clever one at that.

Sophistry? lol. Like trying to convince educated adults that Jesus was God, a perfect human sacrifice, derp, because you claim the disciples believed that after he died? Right.

But comprehending that the subject of Kosher law is not about food is deceptive? Even though Jesus said so in Matthew 15:11 not to mention his command to, "Eat my flesh"?

Pft.

 

[ding]

Now many will know what Jesus meant by saying, "If you have ears to hear then hear!" and they'll also know the subject of the deaf hearing the blind seeing and the dead rising to life.

The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events. They achieve this not by using modern academic historiography, but by embedding the supernatural within the specific geographical, political, and cultural realities of the first-century Roman world. The gospel authors build this "historical" framework in several key ways. The authors anchor the miracles to concrete historical eras, aligning them with the reigns of known political leaders. For instance, Luke opens his Gospel (and later the Book of Acts) by explicitly dating the beginning of this miraculous ministry to the rule of specific figures like Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate, and Herod Antipas. Miracle accounts are deeply localized, tying extraordinary events to real, verifiable landmarks. The authors mention specific towns (Capernaum, Cana, Bethsaida), bodies of water (the Sea of Galilee), and public locations (the Pool of Bethesda or the Temple in Jerusalem), inviting readers to verify the settings. The miracles are overwhelmingly described as public events rather than private, secret myths. Jesus heals in crowded synagogues, restores sight in bustling city streets, and feeds thousands of people in open fields. The gospels emphasize that these acts were witnessed by large, sometimes hostile, crowds. The authors routinely point to the physical, undeniable transformations of the people involved. The blind can see, the paralyzed are walking, and the dead are raised, creating empirical effects that others—including his opponents—could directly observe. Crucially, the gospels document the reactions of Jesus’s contemporary critics. Rather than denying that the events took place, the religious authorities of the time are portrayed as attributing the power to dark forces or sorcery (e.g., claiming he cast out demons by the power of Beelzebub). The gospel authors deliberately wrote their narratives as a factual, historical record to ground their theological claims about Jesus in actual space, time, and human history.

 

[ding]

Sophistry? lol. Like trying to convince educated adults that Jesus was God, a perfect human sacrifice, derp, because you claim the disciples believed that after he died? Right.

But comprehending that Kosher law is not about food is deceptive? Even though Jesus said, "Eat my flesh"?

Pft.

Your arguments are figments of your imagination. You intentionally use deception to discredit the authority of Christ.

 

[hobelim]

The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events.

"The Tale of a Puppet" makes a concerted effort to show that Pinocchio became a real boy.

What then?

 

[hobelim]

Your arguments are figments of your imagination.

"What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” said Jesus about the subject of Kosher law. (Matthew 15:11)

Which is exactly what I have been saying. And I thought you were a believer. I'm devastated!

 

[ding]

"The Tale of a Puppet" makes a concerted effort to show that Pinocchio became a real boy.

What then?

The tale of Pinocchio is a fictional Italian fairy tale about a wooden puppet seeking to become a real boy, the Gospels are historical and theological accounts of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[ding]

"What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” said Jesus about the subject of Kosher law. (Matthew 15:11)

Which is exactly what I have been saying. And I thought you were a believer... but you lied.

Sophistry. The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events.

 

[ding]

"What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” said Jesus about the subject of Kosher law. (Matthew 15:11)

Which is exactly what I have been saying. And I thought you were a believer. I'm devastated!

You intentionally use deception to discredit the authority of Christ.

 

[hobelim]

Sophistry.

The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events.

A perfect example of sophistry!

Thanks!

 

[hobelim]

You intentionally use deception to discredit the authority of Christ

No.

I pointed out that Jesus was teaching the exact same thing that I have said about Kosher Law. I've glorified Jesus because everything I've made known I've drawn from what Jesus taught. Its right there, clear as day, in Matthew 15:11, hidden in plain sight a long time ago.

You should be happy!

 

[ding]

A perfect example of sophistry!

Thanks!

The gospel accounts list specific geographical, political, and cultural realities of the first-century Roman world. The gospel authors build the "historical" framework in several key ways. The authors anchor the miracles to concrete historical eras, aligning them with the reigns of known political leaders. Miracle accounts are deeply localized, tying extraordinary events to real, verifiable landmarks. The authors mention specific towns (Capernaum, Cana, Bethsaida), bodies of water (the Sea of Galilee), and public locations (the Pool of Bethesda or the Temple in Jerusalem), inviting readers to verify the settings. The miracles are overwhelmingly described as public events rather than private, secret myths. The gospels emphasize that these acts were witnessed by large, sometimes hostile, crowds. The authors routinely point to the physical, undeniable transformations of the people involved. The blind can see, the paralyzed are walking, and the dead are raised, creating empirical effects that others—including his opponents—could directly observe. Crucially, the gospels document the reactions of Jesus’s contemporary critics. Rather than denying that the events took place, the religious authorities of the time are portrayed as attributing the power to dark forces or sorcery (e.g., claiming he cast out demons by the power of Beelzebub). The gospel authors deliberately wrote their narratives as a factual, historical record to ground their theological claims about Jesus in actual space, time, and human history.

 

[ding]

No.

I just pointed out that Jesus was teaching the exact same thing that I have said about Kosher Law. I've glorified Jesus because everything I've made known I've drawn from what he taught.

You should be happy!

Sophistry. The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events. You intentionally use deception to discredit the authority of Christ.

 

[hobelim]

The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events. You intentionally use deception to discredit the authority of Christ.

Verifiable historical events? Based on what? Sophistry? Damn, you're such a pathetic loser.

 

[ding]

Verifiable historical events? Based on what? Sophistry? Damn, you're such a pathetic loser.

Based upon 24,000 written manuscripts, the Babylonian Talmud, an empty tomb, no texts which dispute the miracles, resurrection and worship of Christ as divine, disciples coming out of hiding fearing for their lives to proclaim Jesus is Lord despite persecution, imprisonment and death. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

 

[hobelim]

Based upon 24,000 written manuscripts, the Babylonian Talmud, an empty tomb, no texts which dispute the miracles, resurrection and worship of Christ as divine, disciples coming out of hiding fearing for their lives to proclaim Jesus is Lord despite persecution, imprisonment and death.

In other words, based on sophistry. WTF! Derp! Derr, Doy, Blah Blah Blah, Copra sanctum!

They had nothing to gain and everything to lose.

They lost their fear of death and doubts about Jesus after they spoke with him in dreams which convinced them that Jesus survived death, the crucifixion, and was in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

[ding]

In other words, based on sophistry. WTF! Derp! Derr, Doy, Blah Blah Blah, Copra sanctum!

Based on evidence.

They lost their fear of death and doubts about Jesus after they spoke with him in dreams which convinced them that Jesus survived death, the crucifixion, and was in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

You don't believe in supernatural rewards because you don't believe in the supernatural. So you arguing otherwise is a textbook example of sophistry.

The gospels make a concerted, deliberate effort to present the miracles of Jesus as verifiable historical events. You intentionally use deception to discredit the authority of Christ.

24,000 written manuscripts, the Babylonian Talmud, an empty tomb, no texts which dispute the miracles, resurrection and worship of Christ as divine, disciples coming out of hiding fearing for their lives to proclaim Jesus is Lord despite persecution, imprisonment and death are the evidence that the miracles performed by Christ are historical events as told in the gospels.

 

[ding]

They lost their fear of death and doubts about Jesus after they spoke with him in dreams which convinced them that Jesus survived death, the crucifixion, and was in the eternal realm of God, the reward of the righteous. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Additionally... you need to pick a lane. Because according to you the gospels were a roman conspiracy. Now you are arguing they weren't. Textbook sophistry.