And again, you strain your neck trying to avoid the Church in Asia and Africa. You're so fixated on the Roman empire that you literally cannot even conceive of anything else. So sad.
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And again, you strain your neck trying to avoid the Church in Asia and Africa. You're so fixated on the Roman empire that you literally cannot even conceive of anything else. So sad.
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So you don't worship Jesus as if he was a mangod? Sorry. I thought you said that you did. If you do it's because early Christianity was assimilated and perverted by Rome. They practiced human sacrifice on the mithran cross, had seven sacraments that Christianity follows identically, worshipped a trinity, and celebrated a last supper, long before Jesus was born. Jesus was to them "a perfect human sacrifice", the Jewish messiah. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Thats what you are mixed up in. You worship a fake Jesus, the Antichrist.
Now you know.
Asia. Africa.
The churches in Asia and Africa worshipped Jesus as God long before Christianity caught Rome's attention at all. Come on, you should know this, but you're still being obstinate.
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OK so they are just as fuhked up as any other branch of Christianity that worships a man, a supernatural reality defying human being who claimed to be God. One of the main defining characteristics of the Antichrist even though no such Jesus ever existed.
He was in the past and is yet to come in the future, but is not and never was a living human.
Oh no you don't. You have been carrying on for a long time now that Rome is the sole cause of people worshipping Jesus as God. You don't get to weasel out now (even if it's in your nature to do so). They worshipped Jesus as God long before Rome got involved in any of this, just like the Church everywhere did. Again, long before Rome.
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Who is they? And who made that claim? The Roman Church who claims an unbroken line of authority directly from Peter? Oh! In that case I believe. Forgive me! Why would Romans ever lie about the story of the Christ? Rube. lol.
Read the Gospel of Philip, the gospel of truth, the gospel of Thomas, etc, found in north Africa, that disputes your claim of a virgin birth, that Jesus had no human father, and that he was a supernatural ascetic mangod.
So your argument is moot.
Whenever people began worshipping Jesus as if he was God they were as delusional as you.
That I believe.
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And you again are pinned in the corner because I'm not talking about the Roman Catholic Church, never have been. Face it, you're fixated on Rome because you think that explains everything away, but it simply doesn't.
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What does it matter if you're not talking about the Roman Church since you believe the same crap? Where do you think it came from Jews who worshipped a trinity? They never exited.
Mithraism, the secret MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military believed all those things, and practiced the seven sacraments, including a eucharist, eating bread, marked with the Mithran cross of light, and drinking blood, long before Jesus was born.
Paul, a shill of Rome and replacement for JUDAS started that shit that the gullible and faithless "believe". Jesus was God, he made the Law obsolete, Nero was in power by divine decree, submission to the ruling "authorities" is obedience to God? lol. Blah blah, blah.
Yeah right.
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And there you go again, ignoring the Churches that were not under Rome's thumb. Face it, your fixation on the idea that Rome started Jesus worship hundreds of years after His resurrection has fallen apart.
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Thats not what I said. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It is a historical fact that in 325ce Rome made Christianity compulsory. It is also fact that every sect of Christianity that disputed the story of a trinity that became a sacrificial mangod were ruthlessly destroyed and history rewritten so that people like you would not questions the absurdity of it all.
The nag hammadi scrolls show that before 325ce they did not think Jesus had no human father, they rejected the virgin birth and belief that Jesus was the spawn of a Roman trinity.
Your beliefs.
Ah, yes, there it is again, the vacuous claim that Rome created Jesus worship hundreds of years after His resurrection, when the reality is, Christians were persecuted precisely because they worshipped Jesus as superior to Caesar.
And that's your only reed to hold onto as the waters close over your head. You've tried that one before, introducing something that does not inform on the reality that the churches in Asia and Africa, as well as in the Middle East, worshipped Jesus as God, long before Rome got involved at all.
You don't believe in anything supernatural so all of your arguments are sophistry.
That's exactly the argument a sophist would make when caught.
Not only did Jesus claim he is divine, he acted like it and never rebuked anyone for worshipping him as divine even when the religious leaders demand he do so.
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The reality is that if Jesus claimed to be God he was at best insane. Your belief that Jesus was God is even worse because you already know that a human being who claims to be God is insane. Your inability to perceive that opening the eyes of the blind or raising the dead, expected signs to be performed by the Messiah, were never intended to be taken literally by the sane only proves that you may never be a deep thinker or kosher creature.
The Nag Hammadi scrolls were found buried in north AFRICA. The original texts they were translated from and copied out of date back as early as the 1st to 2nd centuries. They clearly show that the authors of those gospels didn't believe Jesus had no human father, they rejected the virgin birth BS and the belief that Jesus was the spawn of a Roman trinity.
Your beliefs.
Not only did Jesus claim he is divine, he acted like it and never rebuked anyone for worshipping him as divine even when the religious leaders demand he do so.
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They called him Master, Rabbi, Teacher, or Lord which were all terms of respect like saying Jesus is Sir! Jesus is Señor! Jesus is Monsieur! Or Jesus is Sahib! Yay! Its as simple as that.
Damn.
They were upset at showing Jesus respect because in their eyes he was an uncultured low level working class sinner of no account, a friend of the enemy spewing drunken hubris.
If the disciples thought Jesus claimed to be God they would have stoned him themselves.
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You mean the same guys that worshipped Jesus as God after he rose from the dead?
They literally were the first to worship Jesus as God.
Have you tried googling that?
In the context of biblical history, no, the disciples would not have stoned Jesus for claiming to be God. [1]
Stoning was the prescribed Jewish legal punishment for blasphemy (claiming equality with or speaking against God). However, the disciples did not stone Jesus because they came to believe his claims were the literal truth. [1, 2, 3]
Consider these historical and biblical details:
- The religious leaders’ reaction: Jesus' opponents did attempt to stone him multiple times because they understood his words (such as "I and the Father are one") as a literal claim to be God. To them, this was blasphemy. [1, 2]
- The disciples' perspective: The disciples—having witnessed his miracles, teachings, and ultimately his resurrection—believed Jesus was exactly who he claimed to be. Because they believed he was God in the flesh, his statements were not blasphemous in their eyes, but rather the divine truth. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
- The ultimate outcome: Jesus was ultimately executed by the Roman authorities on the charge of sedition (claiming to be a king), which resulted in crucifixion rather than the Jewish practice of stoning. [1]
Sophistry.
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