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[hobelim]

You mean the same guys that worshipped Jesus as God after he rose from the dead?

Thats just nonsense.

If they thought that Jesus claimed to be God they would've stoned him when he was alive. Judas betrayed him because he thought the "love thy enemy" Jesus was a false prophet.

 

[hobelim]

Have you tried googling that?

Why don't you google metaphorical meanings for the expression "rising from the dead"?

AI Overview

Metaphorically, "rising from the dead" signifies profound renewal, transformation, or a second chance. It captures the human experience of overcoming profound obstacles, leaving behind an outdated identity, or experiencing a dramatic revival of one's passions, career, or hope after a period of significant hardship or failure. [1, 2]

Common metaphorical interpretations include:

• Personal Reinvention: Letting go of past mistakes or a previous identity to embrace a fresh start or a completely new way of living.
• Overcoming Adversity: Triumphing over trauma, grief, addiction, or severe setbacks and emerging stronger.
• Revival: Bringing something inactive back into prominence—such as breathing new life into a struggling business, a creative project, or a hobby.
• Hope and Awakening: Gaining a new perspective on life where the darkness or "death" of the past no longer holds power over your future

 

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Thats just nonsense.

If they thought that Jesus claimed to be God they would've stoned him when he was alive. Judas betrayed him because he thought the "love thy enemy" Jesus was a false prophet.

They literally were the first to worship Jesus as God.

 

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Why don't you google metaphorical meanings for the expression "rising from the dead"?

AI Overview

Metaphorically, "rising from the dead" signifies profound renewal, transformation, or a second chance. It captures the human experience of overcoming profound obstacles, leaving behind an outdated identity, or experiencing a dramatic revival of one's passions, career, or hope after a period of significant hardship or failure. [1, 2]

Common metaphorical interpretations include:

• Personal Reinvention: Letting go of past mistakes or a previous identity to embrace a fresh start or a completely new way of living.
• Overcoming Adversity: Triumphing over trauma, grief, addiction, or severe setbacks and emerging stronger.
• Revival: Bringing something inactive back into prominence—such as breathing new life into a struggling business, a creative project, or a hobby.
• Hope and Awakening: Gaining a new perspective on life where the darkness or "death" of the past no longer holds power over your future

Because the NT made a concerted effort to portray it as an historical fact.

In the context of biblical history, no, the disciples would not have stoned Jesus for claiming to be God. [1]
Stoning was the prescribed Jewish legal punishment for blasphemy (claiming equality with or speaking against God). However, the disciples did not stone Jesus because they came to believe his claims were the literal truth. [1, 2, 3]
Consider these historical and biblical details:

• The religious leaders’ reaction: Jesus' opponents did attempt to stone him multiple times because they understood his words (such as "I and the Father are one") as a literal claim to be God. To them, this was blasphemy. [1, 2]
• The disciples' perspective: The disciples—having witnessed his miracles, teachings, and ultimately his resurrection—believed Jesus was exactly who he claimed to be. Because they believed he was God in the flesh, his statements were not blasphemous in their eyes, but rather the divine truth. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• The ultimate outcome: Jesus was ultimately executed by the Roman authorities on the charge of sedition (claiming to be a king), which resulted in crucifixion rather than the Jewish practice of stoning. [1]

For a closer look at the exact exchanges where Jesus' enemies attempted to stone him over his claims, you can read the Gospel of John.
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[hadit]

The reality is that if Jesus claimed to be God he was at best insane.

You simultaneously hold the belief that Jesus is Messiah while saying He is insane, because He clearly did claim to be God, as has been shown to you ad nauseum. Now, do you believe Isaiah, or is that another part of Scripture you have to distort in order to maintain your belief system?

You say Yeshua is Messiah. Okay, here's who Messiah is:

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Yet you want to claim He was nothing more than a mere man, here and gone in a single human lifetime. Here is where you come up with something absurd so you can claim the Scripture doesn't mean what it says.

Your belief that Jesus was God is even worse because you already know that a human being who claims to be God is insane.

Yet you want to say that insane person is Messiah. Yeshua obviously claimed to be God, as you have been educated.

Your inability to perceive that opening the eyes of the blind or raising the dead, expected signs to be performed by the Messiah, were never intended to be taken literally by the sane only proves that you may never be a deep thinker or kosher creature.

It is you who claims those signs were never intended to be taken literally, a stance that is NOT based on Scripture. In short, you just made it up.

The Nag Hammadi scrolls were found buried in north AFRICA. The original texts they were translated from and copied out of date back as early as the 1st to 2nd centuries. They clearly show that the authors of those gospels didn't believe Jesus had no human father, they rejected the virgin birth BS and the belief that Jesus was the spawn of a Roman trinity.

Your beliefs.

Just like I've said before, you glommed onto that one reed and are desperately clutching it as the waters close over your head.

 

[hobelim]

It is you who claims those signs were never intended to be taken literally, a stance that is NOT based on Scripture. In short, you just made it up.

Thats not true. Anyone with a Bible can see for themselves that you are wrong. Pathetic.

Opening the eyes of the blind, healing the sick, raising the dead, teaching the right way to comply with the Law, leading people to the sanctuary of God are signs that Jesus is the Messiah. Not God but a man chosen by God to "convey all of his commands". Deut 18:18

‘Listen continually, but don’t understand. Look continually, but don’t perceive.’ Make the minds of these people calloused; make their ears deaf and their eyes blind. Otherwise they might see with their eyes and hear with their ears, their minds might understand and they might repent and be healed.” Isaiah 6:9-10

Here the subject of seeing and hearing has absolutely nothing to do with seeing or hearing but perceiving and comprehending.

Jesus also cited this verse in Matthew 13:15

"In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's minds have grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their minds, and turn and I would heal them."But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.…"

You worship the Antichrist, a substitute counterfeit Jesus, an ascetic mangod and spawn of a Roman trinity with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally.

Giving sight to the blind was never a demonstration of supernatural power over reality, rube. Grab the cloak of a Jewish person, show some respect, and ask them if you don't "believe".


You might as well have 666 tattooed in the middle of your vacant forehead.

 

[hadit]

Thats not true. Anyone with a Bible can see for themselves that you are wrong.

Opening the eyes of the blind healing the sick and raising the dead and leading people to the sanctuary of God, are all signs that Jesus is the Messiah. Not God.

‘Listen continually, but don’t understand. Look continually, but don’t perceive.’ Make the minds of these people calloused; make their ears deaf and their eyes blind. Otherwise they might see with their eyes and hear with their ears, their minds might understand and they might repent and be healed.” Isaiah 6:9-10

Hmmm, it seems that you are missing some context there. Why don't you tell us who is speaking, to whom He is speaking, and why He is saying what He is saying. Then try to explain why it means you can't take literally anything the Lord of Creation is doing. You remember, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father?

Here the subject of seeing and hearing has absolutely nothing to do with seeing or hearing but perceiving and comprehending.

And how do you then apply that so as to claim the Lord of Creation can't control the creation He created? You might as well take the portion of Scripture that says John the Baptist was not to cut his hair and claim it means no one is ever to get a haircut.

Jesus also cited this verse in Matthew 13:15

"In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people's minds have grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their minds, and turn and I would heal them."But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.…"

And how does that in any way mean He did not heal the blind, sick, deaf, and lame? See, you're so obsessively focused solely on sight and hearing that you forget about (ignore) the rest of what He did, as in casting out demons, making the lame walk, healing the sick, and raising the dead. And it's clear why you do so, because those are the only things you can twist to support your ideas.

You worship the Antichrist,

No, I do not. You strain to avoid calling Yeshua the Christ, but that's on you.

a substitute counterfeit Jesus,

Nope, He's the real deal. You continue to denigrate Jesus, then call Him Messiah. You are truly messed up.

an ascetic mangod and spawn of a Roman trinity with all the supernatural "miracles of the lie" that scripture is to be taken literally.

You might as well have 666 tattooed on your forehead,

It is clear that your obsession with Rome is absolutely required to allow you to continue your mistaken belief, because you simply won't let go of it. Here's the bottom line, Yeshua was worshipped as God long before Rome had anything to do with it, no matter how hard you kick and scream or how long you hold your breath.

 

[hobelim]

Why don't you tell us

How many of you are there?

 

[hadit]

How many of you are there?

I know how many are here, the question is, how many do you see, and are there any in the room with you right now? Now, feel free to tell all of us reading this right now the answer to that question?

 

[hobelim]

No, I do not. You strain to avoid calling Yeshua the Christ, but that's on you.

LOL. Did you miss this post? Even though you quoted it?

"Opening the eyes of the blind healing the sick and raising the dead and leading people to the sanctuary of God, are all signs that Jesus is the Messiah. Not God."

Here's the bottom line, Yeshua was worshipped as God long before Rome had anything to do with it, no matter how hard you kick and scream or how long you hold your breath.

Even if people were ignorant enough to do that, like people blind enough to believe that trump is some sort of Zohan, like a second coming of hitler, does that make it right or true?

 

[Meriweather]

You might as well have 666 tattooed in the middle of your vacant forehead.

I have said this before: If one feels he must bash the beliefs/faith of others in order to make a case for his own beliefs/faith, he is on very shaky ground. Your beliefs/faith must be able to stand on their own without bashing any other belief/faith--or the people who follow that faith.

 

[hobelim]

I know how many are here, the question is, how many do you see, and are there any in the room with you right now? Now, feel free to tell all of us reading this right now the answer to that question?

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

You died in the very day you first started blubbering to a trinity that became a mangod, descended into Gehenna, hell, Sheol, the netherworld, the realm of the dead decades ago.

Your flesh is rotting while you are standing on your feet, your eyes are rotting in their sockets, and your tongues is rotting in your mouth. And you remain oblivious to it all.

 

[hobelim]

Your beliefs/faith must be able to stand on their own without bashing any other belief/faith--or the people who follow that faith.

I'm sorry but there is not other way to alert you believers that you practice idolatry, a mortal sin under penalty of death, even ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN CHURCH, by reminding you that what you openly do at mass is idolatry, and so you have died and remain under a curse.

Thats is if what you profess to believe is the very word of God is the very truth.

Does that make what is obvious easier to see and the irrefutable truth easier to swallow?

Get over it. I am just being neighborly.

 

[hadit]

LOL. Did you miss this post? Even though you quoted it?

"Opening the eyes of the blind healing the sick and raising the dead and leading people to the sanctuary of God, are all signs that Jesus is the Messiah. Not God."

And that's exactly what He did, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, make the lame walk and raise the dead. Thanks for admitting that. Do you not have a twisted interpretation that healing the sick and making the lame walk means anything other than literally that?

Even if people were ignorant enough to do that, like people blind enough to believe that trump is some sort of Zohan, like a second coming of hitler, does that make it right or true?

Ah, and we have finally arrived. Those who knew Him best, walked with Him, heard Him speak and saw Him act considered Him God. You, OTOH, who live thousands of years after He rose from the dead, do not consider Him to be God, instead pervert the plain meaning of Scripture to mean anything BUT what they say.

Now, who will I choose to believe, hundreds of people who were in His physical presence or a random internet keyboard jockey spouting off weird ideas who is determined to avoid the Scriptures meaning what they say? Such a hard choice.

 

[hadit]

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

Oh, I'm sure it's nothing but an another attempt to make me believe you instead of the Lord.

You died in the very day you first started blubbering to a trinity that became a mangod, descended into Gehenna, hell, Sheol, the netherworld, the realm of the dead decades ago.

Your flesh is rotting where you are standing on your feet, your eyes are rotting in their sockets, and your tongues is rotting in your mouth. And you remain oblivious to it all.

And I was right.

 

[hobelim]

And that's exactly what He did, heal the sick, give sight to the blind, make the lame walk and raise the dead. Thanks for admitting that. Do you not have a twisted interpretation that healing the sick and making the lame walk means anything other than literally that?

Twisted?

What planet have you been living on for your entire life? You must have noticed that such things don't happen in actual reality except metaphorically. WTF! Are you that blind? Damn.

Jesus healed the sick of mind and restored them to sanity. Remember legion? He gave sight to the blind which has nothing to do with eyeballs, healed the crippled by fear and trauma, which has nothing to do with the body, and then the lame, like you, started jumping around.

One stupefying miracle after another after another! Whoah! I'm a believer! Jesus is Sir! Amen

The Holy One of God.

Now you know.

Rube.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm sorry but there is not other way to alert you believers that you practice idolatry, a mortal sin under penalty of death, even ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN CHURCH, by reminding you that what you openly do at mass is idolatry, and so you have died and remain under a curse.

Thats is if what you profess to believe is the very word of God is the very truth.

Does that make what is obvious easier to see and the irrefutable truth easier to swallow?

Get over it. I am just being neighborly.

There is nothing any of us here need to "get over". We understand your own opinions and interpretations. Down through the ages, other traditions and interpretations prevail. We also have our own studies and our own experiences and we follow The Way of Jesus Christ as our own studies, prayers, and experiences have revealed to us. Truth versus the lashings you whip down.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."

The reason that I (and others) do not hear you or follow you, is that yours is not the voice of Jesus, its merely clanging cymbals, noisy gongs. You do as many Democrats do to President Trump. Instead of being able to offer something over and beyond the President, they have nothing and must resort to bashing. You have nothing to offer that is over and beyond Christ's teachings as taught by the Apostles--so all that is left to you is bashing. Perhaps take a closer look at your own message and your own messaging. See if there is something stronger than bashing in the itinerary.

 

[hobelim]

The reason that I (and others) do not hear you or follow you, is that yours is not the voice of Jesus, its merely clanging cymbals, noisy gongs. You do as many Democrats do to President Trump.

Ahem. You don't understand. Go figure! I am not looking for followers. And if you think there is some sort of justifying Christian support for Trump, the epitome of the talking serpent of old, and denigrating Americans who see what is right in front of their eyes daily, that he is a demented con artist and bombastic delusional petty tyrant and malignant narcissist hell bent on destroying the founding principles of this country, that because of him and his blind followers has become the laughingstock of the world, then you really should reexamine your assumption that you are saved by faith in the absurd. Or don't. I seriously don't care. At all.

So relax.

I'm not heckling priests or egging churches. No one is stopping you from praying to a trinity. No one is denying you your God given right to throw your mind and life itself into the trash.

So if you are looking for someone to tickle your ears, talk to someone else. Or go to church.

 

[Meriweather]

Ahem. You don't understand.

Perhaps I understand better than you know. You want someone to hear you, to listen to you. Re-read your last post. Your own imaginings have created in your own mind, your own version of who/what Christians are. Instead of facing the reality, you prefer to harangue those of your own mind's creation. All I am suggesting is present your own beliefs without bashing others, and without imagining what others believe.

 

[hobelim]

All I am suggesting is present your own beliefs without bashing others, and without imagining what others believe

Ok.

How's this. To worship the lifeless work of human hands is objectively idolatry, a sin under penalty of the death, a curse, according to The Law and The Prophets, including Jesus.

AND YOUR OWN CHURCH.

If scripture is true then anyone who sets aside the Law of God and turns to a piece of lifeless bread made by human hands for spiritual life dies in the very day that do it. True?

When Jesus said, "eat my flesh" he was referring to kosher Law where "the flesh" of one creature of another represents "the teaching" of human archetypes, swine that do not ruminate, teeming vermin that go down on all fours, dogs, vultures, cattle, sheep, goats, wolves, brown nosed dorks, creepy things that creep, lions and tigers and bears, Oh my!

So what became obsolete after the revelation of Jesus was the Talmud, what Jesus called the traditions of men, the wrong way to understand and follow the Law, not the Law itself.

Here's the rub.

No one can follow the literal interpretation of the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because "the teaching" that food is the subject of kosher law is "the flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

This is my flesh.

Real meat that satisfies the starving malnourished dying or dead soul of all who eat it.

If anyone should be complaining or trying to discredit me it would be Jewish and Muslim people but only you "Christians" seem to be upset, mortally wounded, by this revelation.

Why is that?