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"It is funny how mortals always picture us as putting things into their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out."

C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters.
C.S. Lewis famously argued that Jesus’s explicit claims to divinity leave humanity with no option to view him merely as a great moral teacher. In his book Mere Christianity, Lewis proposed a famous philosophical dilemma often called "Lewis's Trilemma": Jesus is either a Liar, a Lunatic, or Lord (God). [1, 2, 3]

The "Lord, Liar, or Lunatic" Argument
Lewis reasoned through the following logical points:
  • The Claim: Jesus did not just teach good morals; he claimed to forgive sins, exist before Abraham, and be the Son of God—making himself equal to God. [1, 2, 3]
  • If He was a Liar: If Jesus knew he wasn't God and taught it anyway, he would be a malicious deceiver and a terrible moral teacher, which contradicts his teachings. [1, 2]
    • If He was a Lunatic: If he believed he was God but wasn't, he would be insane, comparable to someone claiming to be a poached egg. [1, 2]
    • Conclusion (Lord): Since Jesus's teachings show profound psychological balance and wisdom, Lewis argued he could be neither a deceiver nor a madman. Therefore, he must be who he claimed to be: Lord and God. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]


Lewis forcefully rejected the patronizing idea that someone can simply respect Jesus as a "great human teacher". In Mere Christianity, he summarized the stance: [1, 2, 3]

"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse."
 
Oh my! Is it time for my medication? :smoke: Ahhhh! Thats better! Thanks for the reminder!
Like I said before... It's hilarious watching you make religious arguments when you yourself have admitted that you are not a religious person. You hate religion so much that you had to distance yourself from being a religious person. You're a joke. Everyone sees right through your charade, Everyone knows you're only here to tweak and troll Christians, Go get some help. You're mentally ill.
 
The many faces of hobelim.

1. The gospels are a roman conspiracy.
2. The gospels are just metaphors.
3. Disciples had dreams that Jesus had his reward in heaven so they decided to be persecuted, imprisoned and put to death for it.

Sophistry.
Anything to avoid admitting that the Gospels recorded actual events and that Scripture means what it says.
 
Like I said before... It's hilarious watching you make religious arguments when you yourself have admitted that you are not a religious person. You hate religion so much that you had to distance yourself from being a religious person. You're a joke. Everyone sees right through your charade, Everyone knows you're only here to tweak and troll Christians, Go get some help. You're mentally ill.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day you first got down on your knees in the deranged adoration of a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a sacrificial Jewish man that you "believe" died so you can sin with impunity for life, YOU DIED and descended into Gehenna, decades ago, where you remain to this day tormented every day and night by reality which contradicts you delusional beliefs every day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out.
 
I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very day you first got down on your knees in the deranged adoration of a trinity that diddled a virgin to become a sacrificial Jewish man that you "believe" died so you can sin with impunity for life, YOU DIED and descended into Gehenna, decades ago, where you remain to this day tormented every day and night by reality which contradicts you delusional beliefs every day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out.
Sophistry.
 
Anything to avoid admitting that the Gospels recorded actual events and that Scripture means what it says.
Jesus said that if your right eye offends you pluck it out.. So start plucking, believer.
 
It's hilarious watching you make religious arguments when you yourself have admitted that you are not a religious person
I'm not a religious person. I would rather be drawn and quartered than to go into any church except if it was like I was observing the degrading practices of primitive people lurking in archeological ruins. I do not belong to or subscribe to the beliefs or practices of any religion and I worship in word and in deed an unknown God who never became human and doesn't give a shit about diet, fashion, or sexual preferences of consenting adult human primates.

I just got sick and tired of you bigoted hypocrites claiming moral authority over everyone else for as long as I can remember rewarding believers and demonizing unbelievers without having the slightest inkling about the meaning of the words and subjects about which you are all so sanctimoniously dogmatic even legislating laws and perpetuating customs to impose your perverse view of right and wrong and good and evil on the rest of the world.

So I studied both Judaism Christianity and all religions. I hear what you say and see what you do. You love Jesus so much you threw him under the bus like a Judas who doesn't have the stones to take responsibility for the screwed up things you say and do. Your sins.

You faithless coward.

And pretentious religious jackasses like you want to rule the world? For Jesus of course? lol

You've been chewed up and spit out so it won't happen, especially after I say τετέλεσται
 
I'm not a religious person. I would rather be drawn and quartered than to go into any church except if it was like I was observing the degrading practices of primitive people lurking in archeological ruins. I do not belong to or subscribe to the beliefs or practices of any religion and I worship in word and in deed an unknown God who never became human and doesn't give a shit about diet, fashion, or sexual preferences of consenting adult human primates.

I just got sick and tired of you bigoted hypocrites claiming moral authority over everyone else for as long as I can remember rewarding believers and demonizing unbelievers without having the slightest inkling about the meaning of the words and subjects about which you are all so sanctimoniously dogmatic even legislating laws and perpetuating customs to impose your perverse view of right and wrong and good and evil on the rest of the world.
No one here is claiming moral authority. You do what you do because it makes you feel good. So save your sophistry rationalizations for someone else. I know what you are. I know what you are doing.
So I studied both Judaism Christianity and all religions.
And by study you mean to say you looked for ways to twist and bend scripture to your own liking; to serve your sick purpose of paying back the religious in their own coin. You're a fake. You're a charlatan.
I hear what you say and see what you do. You love Jesus so much you threw him under the bus like a Judas who doesn't have the stones to take responsibility for the screwed up things you say and do. Your sins.
The only one throwing Jesus under the bus is you. Christianity is all about taking responsibility and being accountable. Why don't you try googling it? This is just another example of how you used your so-called study to distort the truth. Your arguments are unclever and anti-intellectual.
You faithless coward.

And pretentious religious jackasses like you want to rule the world? For Jesus of course? lol

You've been chewed up and spit out so it won't happen, especially after I say τετέλεσται
Said the jackass who is too cowardly to admit why he is really here.
 
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