Just curious,. but when exactly did this Satan guy become part of the Christian narrative?

[rightwinger]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

God does worse things in the Bible than Satan ever did

Imagine if Satan had created the Great Flood, killed the first born of Egypt or created plagues?

All Satan is accused of is “tempting”

Yeah, go with that.

Tell me some of the evil things Satan has done in the Bible
Just looking objectively. God does some nasty things in the Bible

This is why you're confused rightwinger. If you think God is evil but Satan is good, you start and end every day from a place of fundamental confusion

You DEFINE God as good and Satan as evil and then view their actions from that position. Rightwinger is judging their actions to define them as good or evil. That is the difference between you two.

RW has no basis from which to judge good and evil. In his worldview we are no more than "molecules in motion" at any rate.

OTOH, from my worldview, if God is the Author and Creator of life--if He is who He claims to be and knew me from eternity (and you too)--then He and He alone has the absolute right to determine the day I am born and the day I die. That is not "evil". I do not own my life; He does.

Everyone has the right and obligation to judge others by their moral compass. We do it all the time when we decide we like or don't like a person. RW has that same right and he is using his compass to judge God's actions as he would anyone's actions.

I didn't say RW does not have the RIGHT--I said he has no basis. If you don't believe in God, if you instead believe in evolution, then we are molecules in motion. You have no basis, no standing, to say God is wrong or right or Satan is wrong or right. In other words, RW is "sitting in God's lap to smack His face".

He can't do that and be consistent.

His basis is his personal moral compass, same as yours. Do you think stoning adulterers is good or evil?

We are molecules in motion, that is the reality (your molecules stop moving and you're dead), and DNA is the blueprint. You can believe God creates DNA and sets the molecules in motion or not that is your choice.

If there is no God then you are correct, all we are is molecules in motion. Then there is absolutely no sense in arguing over good and evil. There is no such thing. "Good" is whatever is my survival. "Good" is just the next meal in my stomach, or maybe, in my child's stomach. That's it.

You are being condescending in assuming that only those who believe in God have values

Wrong. You have those values--everyone does--because you are made in the image of God. From my worldview, the fact that you understand right and wrong is sensible and can be explained.

It cannot be explained from your worldview.

You are assuming that humans cannot have values without God giving them

My values say God did some horrible things. You look the other way

Also by your worldview, I don't care about your values. I don't have to. You are an evolved ape.

Humans form societies That is why we are the dominant species.

As a member of society we developed a sense of right and wrong. It allows us to function as a group

God is not essential to that society

 

[SweetSue92]

If God gave me those moral values, why do I hold God to those same values?

If the Bible is true and not the work of man, then God does not have moral values

Why not just admit the Bible is a work of fiction?

We make rules for four year olds that we ourselves don't abide by. Correct? That's because four year olds are...four. They need rules we don't need because they don't understand.

Can you create a Big Bang?

There ya go

 

[SweetSue92]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

God does worse things in the Bible than Satan ever did

Imagine if Satan had created the Great Flood, killed the first born of Egypt or created plagues?

All Satan is accused of is “tempting”

Yeah, go with that.

Tell me some of the evil things Satan has done in the Bible
Just looking objectively. God does some nasty things in the Bible

This is why you're confused rightwinger. If you think God is evil but Satan is good, you start and end every day from a place of fundamental confusion

You DEFINE God as good and Satan as evil and then view their actions from that position. Rightwinger is judging their actions to define them as good or evil. That is the difference between you two.

RW has no basis from which to judge good and evil. In his worldview we are no more than "molecules in motion" at any rate.

OTOH, from my worldview, if God is the Author and Creator of life--if He is who He claims to be and knew me from eternity (and you too)--then He and He alone has the absolute right to determine the day I am born and the day I die. That is not "evil". I do not own my life; He does.

Everyone has the right and obligation to judge others by their moral compass. We do it all the time when we decide we like or don't like a person. RW has that same right and he is using his compass to judge God's actions as he would anyone's actions.

I didn't say RW does not have the RIGHT--I said he has no basis. If you don't believe in God, if you instead believe in evolution, then we are molecules in motion. You have no basis, no standing, to say God is wrong or right or Satan is wrong or right. In other words, RW is "sitting in God's lap to smack His face".

He can't do that and be consistent.

His basis is his personal moral compass, same as yours. Do you think stoning adulterers is good or evil?

We are molecules in motion, that is the reality (your molecules stop moving and you're dead), and DNA is the blueprint. You can believe God creates DNA and sets the molecules in motion or not that is your choice.

If there is no God then you are correct, all we are is molecules in motion. Then there is absolutely no sense in arguing over good and evil. There is no such thing. "Good" is whatever is my survival. "Good" is just the next meal in my stomach, or maybe, in my child's stomach. That's it.

You are being condescending in assuming that only those who believe in God have values

Wrong. You have those values--everyone does--because you are made in the image of God. From my worldview, the fact that you understand right and wrong is sensible and can be explained.

It cannot be explained from your worldview.

You are assuming that humans cannot have values without God giving them

My values say God did some horrible things. You look the other way

Also by your worldview, I don't care about your values. I don't have to. You are an evolved ape.

Humans form societies That is why we are the dominant species.

As a member of society we developed a sense of right and wrong. It allows us to function as a group

God is not essential to that society

As to all your moral posturing here: not so fast. You're in other threads cheering the demise of the unvaccinated, yes? They deserve it because they did not take the Glorious Shots.

So really, RW.

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

 

[rightwinger]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

 

[SweetSue92]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

 

[rightwinger]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

Cop out

Giving God a free pass because he is God

If you kill that four year old you do not get a free pass because that four year old does not understand why

God killed innocent four year olds

 

[SweetSue92]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

Cop out

Giving God a free pass because he is God

If you kill that four year old you do not get a free pass because that four year old does not understand why

God killed innocent four year olds

Right. By my worldview (a point you just made for me), I cannot take the life of a 4 year old. The 4 year old is made in God's image, I do not own that life, taking the life is a grave sin. God, however, created the life, and so does take ALL lives HE created.

In your worldview, meh. Maybe the 4 year old is annoying. Maybe he eats too much. Whatever. After all, same moral views you use for other humans who are inconvenient.

Okay since you don't seem to be able to puzzle through this I guess we are done.

 

[alang1216]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

God does worse things in the Bible than Satan ever did

Imagine if Satan had created the Great Flood, killed the first born of Egypt or created plagues?

All Satan is accused of is “tempting”

Yeah, go with that.

Tell me some of the evil things Satan has done in the Bible
Just looking objectively. God does some nasty things in the Bible

This is why you're confused rightwinger. If you think God is evil but Satan is good, you start and end every day from a place of fundamental confusion

You DEFINE God as good and Satan as evil and then view their actions from that position. Rightwinger is judging their actions to define them as good or evil. That is the difference between you two.

RW has no basis from which to judge good and evil. In his worldview we are no more than "molecules in motion" at any rate.

OTOH, from my worldview, if God is the Author and Creator of life--if He is who He claims to be and knew me from eternity (and you too)--then He and He alone has the absolute right to determine the day I am born and the day I die. That is not "evil". I do not own my life; He does.

Everyone has the right and obligation to judge others by their moral compass. We do it all the time when we decide we like or don't like a person. RW has that same right and he is using his compass to judge God's actions as he would anyone's actions.

I didn't say RW does not have the RIGHT--I said he has no basis. If you don't believe in God, if you instead believe in evolution, then we are molecules in motion. You have no basis, no standing, to say God is wrong or right or Satan is wrong or right. In other words, RW is "sitting in God's lap to smack His face".

He can't do that and be consistent.

His basis is his personal moral compass, same as yours. Do you think stoning adulterers is good or evil?

We are molecules in motion, that is the reality (your molecules stop moving and you're dead), and DNA is the blueprint. You can believe God creates DNA and sets the molecules in motion or not that is your choice.

If there is no God then you are correct, all we are is molecules in motion. Then there is absolutely no sense in arguing over good and evil. There is no such thing. "Good" is whatever is my survival. "Good" is just the next meal in my stomach, or maybe, in my child's stomach. That's it.

If there is a God, does he have a single view as to what is good and what is evil? Does God evolve? He certainly seems to have changed his views between the OT and NT. What about the Chinese or the Aztecs, they certainly didn't share our views on good and evil yet they must be children of the one God?

 

[rightwinger]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

Cop out

Giving God a free pass because he is God

If you kill that four year old you do not get a free pass because that four year old does not understand why

God killed innocent four year olds

Right. By my worldview (a point you just made for me), I cannot take the life of a 4 year old. The 4 year old is made in God's image, I do not own that life, taking the life is a grave sin. God, however, created the life, and so does take ALL lives HE created.

In your worldview, meh. Maybe the 4 year old is annoying. Maybe he eats too much. Whatever. After all, same moral views you use for other humans who are inconvenient.

Okay since you don't seem to be able to puzzle through this I guess we are done.

Again you give your God a free pass

Killing puppies and kittens is OK
Mass slaughter of children is OK
Torture is OK


Now, what did Satan do that is that bad?
Would you give him a free pass too?

 

[SweetSue92]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

God does worse things in the Bible than Satan ever did

Imagine if Satan had created the Great Flood, killed the first born of Egypt or created plagues?

All Satan is accused of is “tempting”

Yeah, go with that.

Tell me some of the evil things Satan has done in the Bible
Just looking objectively. God does some nasty things in the Bible

This is why you're confused rightwinger. If you think God is evil but Satan is good, you start and end every day from a place of fundamental confusion

You DEFINE God as good and Satan as evil and then view their actions from that position. Rightwinger is judging their actions to define them as good or evil. That is the difference between you two.

RW has no basis from which to judge good and evil. In his worldview we are no more than "molecules in motion" at any rate.

OTOH, from my worldview, if God is the Author and Creator of life--if He is who He claims to be and knew me from eternity (and you too)--then He and He alone has the absolute right to determine the day I am born and the day I die. That is not "evil". I do not own my life; He does.

Everyone has the right and obligation to judge others by their moral compass. We do it all the time when we decide we like or don't like a person. RW has that same right and he is using his compass to judge God's actions as he would anyone's actions.

I didn't say RW does not have the RIGHT--I said he has no basis. If you don't believe in God, if you instead believe in evolution, then we are molecules in motion. You have no basis, no standing, to say God is wrong or right or Satan is wrong or right. In other words, RW is "sitting in God's lap to smack His face".

He can't do that and be consistent.

His basis is his personal moral compass, same as yours. Do you think stoning adulterers is good or evil?

We are molecules in motion, that is the reality (your molecules stop moving and you're dead), and DNA is the blueprint. You can believe God creates DNA and sets the molecules in motion or not that is your choice.

If there is no God then you are correct, all we are is molecules in motion. Then there is absolutely no sense in arguing over good and evil. There is no such thing. "Good" is whatever is my survival. "Good" is just the next meal in my stomach, or maybe, in my child's stomach. That's it.

If there is a God, does he have a single view as to what is good and what is evil? Does God evolve? He certainly seems to have changed his views between the OT and NT. What about the Chinese or the Aztecs, they certainly didn't share our views on good and evil yet they must be children of the one God?

1. What do you mean, "A single view"?
2. God is the same forever
3. That people do not know or misinterpret God does not change...anything

 

[SweetSue92]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

Cop out

Giving God a free pass because he is God

If you kill that four year old you do not get a free pass because that four year old does not understand why

God killed innocent four year olds

Right. By my worldview (a point you just made for me), I cannot take the life of a 4 year old. The 4 year old is made in God's image, I do not own that life, taking the life is a grave sin. God, however, created the life, and so does take ALL lives HE created.

In your worldview, meh. Maybe the 4 year old is annoying. Maybe he eats too much. Whatever. After all, same moral views you use for other humans who are inconvenient.

Okay since you don't seem to be able to puzzle through this I guess we are done.

Again you give your God a free pass

Killing puppies and kittens is OK
Mass slaughter of children is OK
Torture is OK


Now, what did Satan do that is that bad?
Would you give him a free pass too?

Do you give yourself a free pass for not caring if unvaccinated people die?

So you're God, right?

 

[SweetSue92]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

Cop out

Giving God a free pass because he is God

If you kill that four year old you do not get a free pass because that four year old does not understand why

God killed innocent four year olds

Right. By my worldview (a point you just made for me), I cannot take the life of a 4 year old. The 4 year old is made in God's image, I do not own that life, taking the life is a grave sin. God, however, created the life, and so does take ALL lives HE created.

In your worldview, meh. Maybe the 4 year old is annoying. Maybe he eats too much. Whatever. After all, same moral views you use for other humans who are inconvenient.

Okay since you don't seem to be able to puzzle through this I guess we are done.

Again you give your God a free pass

Killing puppies and kittens is OK
Mass slaughter of children is OK
Torture is OK


Now, what did Satan do that is that bad?
Would you give him a free pass too?

Let me break this down for you RW because you won't be able to puzzle through it. You're arguing AGAINST the actual God of the Universe but in his place have just put yourself on the throne.

Case in point. You want me to say killing animals is terrible but you don't care if unvaccinated people die. In other words "If RW doesn't like something it's a terrible sin but if RW thinks something is good it's good"

Well. I don't believe in the RW god. So there.

 

[norwegen]

Satan literally means ADVERSARY----any adversary initially.

The Hebrew sâtân is opponent, or plotter. The Satan is people, and the Israelites were plagued with them, as evidenced throughout the Old Testament by their idolatry.

In the New Testament, Satanas is adversary. They were whom Jesus called the hypocrites and whitewashed tombs who taught heresy.

 

[alang1216]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

God does worse things in the Bible than Satan ever did

Imagine if Satan had created the Great Flood, killed the first born of Egypt or created plagues?

All Satan is accused of is “tempting”

Yeah, go with that.

Tell me some of the evil things Satan has done in the Bible
Just looking objectively. God does some nasty things in the Bible

This is why you're confused rightwinger. If you think God is evil but Satan is good, you start and end every day from a place of fundamental confusion

You DEFINE God as good and Satan as evil and then view their actions from that position. Rightwinger is judging their actions to define them as good or evil. That is the difference between you two.

RW has no basis from which to judge good and evil. In his worldview we are no more than "molecules in motion" at any rate.

OTOH, from my worldview, if God is the Author and Creator of life--if He is who He claims to be and knew me from eternity (and you too)--then He and He alone has the absolute right to determine the day I am born and the day I die. That is not "evil". I do not own my life; He does.

Everyone has the right and obligation to judge others by their moral compass. We do it all the time when we decide we like or don't like a person. RW has that same right and he is using his compass to judge God's actions as he would anyone's actions.

I didn't say RW does not have the RIGHT--I said he has no basis. If you don't believe in God, if you instead believe in evolution, then we are molecules in motion. You have no basis, no standing, to say God is wrong or right or Satan is wrong or right. In other words, RW is "sitting in God's lap to smack His face".

He can't do that and be consistent.

His basis is his personal moral compass, same as yours. Do you think stoning adulterers is good or evil?

We are molecules in motion, that is the reality (your molecules stop moving and you're dead), and DNA is the blueprint. You can believe God creates DNA and sets the molecules in motion or not that is your choice.

If there is no God then you are correct, all we are is molecules in motion. Then there is absolutely no sense in arguing over good and evil. There is no such thing. "Good" is whatever is my survival. "Good" is just the next meal in my stomach, or maybe, in my child's stomach. That's it.

If there is a God, does he have a single view as to what is good and what is evil? Does God evolve? He certainly seems to have changed his views between the OT and NT. What about the Chinese or the Aztecs, they certainly didn't share our views on good and evil yet they must be children of the one God?

1. What do you mean, "A single view"?
2. God is the same forever
3. That people do not know or misinterpret God does not change...anything

Seems to be an either or here:

• Either there is a God who revealed his teachings only to a small group of people in one corner of the planet and ignored the millions who lived and died without his moral guidance
• Or there is a God with lots of variation in his thinking of what is good and what is evil so his teachings are different from place to place and from time to time

Or

 

[rightwinger]

No. Really. You're not better than God. You're really not.

I may gloat over the unvaccinated dying due to their own poor decisions, but I never killed the first born of Egypt or wiped out humanity in a flood

I win

There's no "winning". If God is God, our death is not the end. He "knit us together in our mother's womb" and He alone determines our eternal fate. Just like I said with the 4 year olds. Different rule, because we are human and He is God.

Cop out

Giving God a free pass because he is God

If you kill that four year old you do not get a free pass because that four year old does not understand why

God killed innocent four year olds

Right. By my worldview (a point you just made for me), I cannot take the life of a 4 year old. The 4 year old is made in God's image, I do not own that life, taking the life is a grave sin. God, however, created the life, and so does take ALL lives HE created.

In your worldview, meh. Maybe the 4 year old is annoying. Maybe he eats too much. Whatever. After all, same moral views you use for other humans who are inconvenient.

Okay since you don't seem to be able to puzzle through this I guess we are done.

Again you give your God a free pass

Killing puppies and kittens is OK
Mass slaughter of children is OK
Torture is OK


Now, what did Satan do that is that bad?
Would you give him a free pass too?

Let me break this down for you RW because you won't be able to puzzle through it. You're arguing AGAINST the actual God of the Universe but in his place have just put yourself on the throne.

Case in point. You want me to say killing animals is terrible but you don't care if unvaccinated people die. In other words "If RW doesn't like something it's a terrible sin but if RW thinks something is good it's good"

Well. I don't believe in the RW god. So there.

I have simple values

Killing the first born of Egypt does not cut it

 

[Cecilie1200]

Untrue.

Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 allude to the angel Lucifer's original position as a very exalted being, and likely the highest ranking of all the angels. Ezekiel 28:12-15 also states that in addition to being powerful, it's likely that Lucifer was the most beautiful of all of God's creations.

Satan rebelled against God and upon learning of Lucifer's plan, God removed him from his dignified position and cast him out of Heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17).

In addition to that, Hell has not yet been created and won't until the Second Coming of Christ.

That's all in the Bible.

Almost a winner. If I remember my Christian Mythology , Lucifer was the Angel of Light. The most beautiful and favorite of God. It was Lucifer who rebelled against God however, and God caught him and a third of the other angels who backed his Coup, were cast out of Heaven and became Satan and all his demons and stuff.

Thing is, you don't find that narrative anywhere in the bible, so how did it become such a believable part of Christianity?

It seems very much like you didn't ask your "question" to get an answer; you "asked" it to get a handful of other religiophobic egomaniacs to gather around and agree with you and tell you you're clever.

So it seems like the correct response to your OP should have been, "No one cares what bigots think." Toddle along, and we'll remember next time that your name on the post is all we need to know.

.

"No one cares what bigots think."

.
well, really sissy, that doesn't fit the bill for everyone of your posts ...

It's so cute that you still think your labels matter to anyone.

 

[Indeependent]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

God does worse things in the Bible than Satan ever did

Imagine if Satan had created the Great Flood, killed the first born of Egypt or created plagues?

All Satan is accused of is “tempting”

Yeah, go with that.

Tell me some of the evil things Satan has done in the Bible
Just looking objectively. God does some nasty things in the Bible

This is why you're confused rightwinger. If you think God is evil but Satan is good, you start and end every day from a place of fundamental confusion

You DEFINE God as good and Satan as evil and then view their actions from that position. Rightwinger is judging their actions to define them as good or evil. That is the difference between you two.

RW has no basis from which to judge good and evil. In his worldview we are no more than "molecules in motion" at any rate.

OTOH, from my worldview, if God is the Author and Creator of life--if He is who He claims to be and knew me from eternity (and you too)--then He and He alone has the absolute right to determine the day I am born and the day I die. That is not "evil". I do not own my life; He does.

Everyone has the right and obligation to judge others by their moral compass. We do it all the time when we decide we like or don't like a person. RW has that same right and he is using his compass to judge God's actions as he would anyone's actions.

I didn't say RW does not have the RIGHT--I said he has no basis. If you don't believe in God, if you instead believe in evolution, then we are molecules in motion. You have no basis, no standing, to say God is wrong or right or Satan is wrong or right. In other words, RW is "sitting in God's lap to smack His face".

He can't do that and be consistent.

Sure I have a basis
I have a moral compass just like you do

Killing innocent children is wrong
Killing puppies and kittens is wrong
Destroying all life on earth is wrong
Sending plagues is wrong

The Bible attributes those things to God not Satan

I’m sure you have read the BIBLE!

 

[Indeependent]

'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

Satan is the answer to the question, how could a loving God create a world so filled with evil. Like everything else he evolved over time and was given a back story.

That is a New Testament point of view.

What is the Jewish answer to the question, how could a loving God create a world so filled with evil?

It's not evil, it's free choice.
God doesn't need a world full of robots.
There's a reason God dispersed the human race as a response to the Tower of Bavel...the world no longer has only one nation where every person will walk in lock step.
There will always be nations in conflict and that conflict consists of various shades of Godliness and Selfishness.

Earthquakes, disease, and birth defects are all part of the world God created and have nothing to do with free choice. The Mongols may choose to wage war on my village and kill everyone in it but I don't see that as an exercise of MY free will. No there is evil in this world that has nothing to do with free choice.

What’s your point of view of nature’s reaction to human selfishness?

110 in Portland today ?

That’s from burning down the police station.

 

[BreezeWood]

Untrue.

Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 allude to the angel Lucifer's original position as a very exalted being, and likely the highest ranking of all the angels. Ezekiel 28:12-15 also states that in addition to being powerful, it's likely that Lucifer was the most beautiful of all of God's creations.

Satan rebelled against God and upon learning of Lucifer's plan, God removed him from his dignified position and cast him out of Heaven (Isaiah 14:15; Ezekiel 28:16-17).

In addition to that, Hell has not yet been created and won't until the Second Coming of Christ.

That's all in the Bible.

Almost a winner. If I remember my Christian Mythology , Lucifer was the Angel of Light. The most beautiful and favorite of God. It was Lucifer who rebelled against God however, and God caught him and a third of the other angels who backed his Coup, were cast out of Heaven and became Satan and all his demons and stuff.

Thing is, you don't find that narrative anywhere in the bible, so how did it become such a believable part of Christianity?

It seems very much like you didn't ask your "question" to get an answer; you "asked" it to get a handful of other religiophobic egomaniacs to gather around and agree with you and tell you you're clever.

So it seems like the correct response to your OP should have been, "No one cares what bigots think." Toddle along, and we'll remember next time that your name on the post is all we need to know.

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"No one cares what bigots think."

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well, really sissy, that doesn't fit the bill for everyone of your posts ...

It's so cute that you still think your labels matter to anyone.

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It seems very much like you didn't ask your "question" to get an answer; you "asked" it to get a handful of other religiophobic egomaniacs to gather around and agree with you and tell you you're clever.

So it seems like the correct response to your OP should have been, "No one cares what bigots think." Toddle along, and we'll remember next time that your name on the post is all we need to know.

well, really sissy, that doesn't fit the bill for everyone of your posts ...

It's so cute that you still think your labels matter to anyone.

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you might have addressed the question than to confirm it ...
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Just curious,. but when exactly did this Satan guy become part of the Christian narrative?​

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are you jewish, in the 1st century they would have been the only participants with that knowledge and theirs was not the same as written in your 4th century christian bible, satan.

who were those persecuted by the romans - everyone of them were jews - think again (if any) the jews are who had the itinerant put to death their leaders anyway.

 

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'Satan' is only mentioned about 19 times in the Old Testament and only once in the New Testament. No where in those bibles is he referred to as the ruler of a place called hell or that he was once an angel but was cast out of heaven by God. The word Satan is used more as a description of evil than an actual evil deity ruling over a place called hell. I think the idea of Satan and his realm of hell is a narrative created less than a few hundred years ago to keep people in line....Who Is Satan?

Hell was invented by The Church to make the peasants give them money.

Karl Marx held that same opinion.

...in order to charm the golden birds, out of the pockets of his dearly beloved neighbours in Christ. He puts himself at the service of the other’s most depraved fancies, plays the pimp between him and his need, excites in him morbid appetites, lies in wait for each of his weaknesses – all so that he can then demand the cash for this service of love. (Every product is a bait with which to seduce away the other’s very being, his money; every real and possible need is a weakness which will lead the fly to the glue-pot. General exploitation of communal human nature, just as every imperfection in man, is a bond with heaven – an avenue giving the priest access to his heart; every need is an opportunity to approach one’s neighbour under the guise of the utmost amiability and to say to him: Dear friend, I give you what you need, but you know the conditio sine qua non; you know the ink in which you have to sign yourself over to me; in providing for your pleasure, I fleece you.)

Karl Marx
Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844
3rd paragraph

Human Requirements and Division of Labour, Marx, 1844