Zone1 John 1:1---2Cor 4:4

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Reply: "Who is a liar but he who that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is anitchrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosever denieth the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." -- 1 John 2:22-23. Thus the same inspired author you declare does not really mean that Jesus is the Son of God and thus part of the Godhead that has existed since the beginning, is the same author that declares you can't have the Father if you deny the Son...... the Godhead which is the whole that is God, consisting of 3 separate beings, the Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost/Spirit......each separate but becoming ONE much like a husband and wife becomes ONE (Matt. 19:56)

There is One God much like a husband, wife and any offspring make up ONE FAMILY.

The Godhead is mentioned 3 times in the N.T. scriptures. (Rom. 1:20,Acts 17:29,Col.2:9).

Another false premise presented by you (Jesus Himself, "For in Him (Jesus) dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily -- Col. 2:9)...........you state that there's only 2 beings mentioned as being part of the Godhead, but the scriptures describe the 3 different parts of the Godhead being present all at the same time, when Jesus was baptized by John the baptist (Matt. 3:16-17) The Father who spoke from heaven, the Spirit fell upon Jesus in the form of a Dove, and the Son, the fullness of the Godhead bodily.......were all present at the same instant of time.

There was never a godhead. Catholicism errored translating to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity is the cause for darkness.
Godship=Rom 1:20-- Acts17:29- i see God and divine being. Col 2:9--Divine quality dwells bodily.
Jesus own words proves all those religions wrong--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Jesus has a God just like us. 100% fact= God does not have a God.

 

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There was never a godhead. Catholicism errored translating to fit false council teaching of God being a trinity is the cause for darkness.
Godship=Rom 1:20-- Acts17:29- i see God and divine being. Col 2:9--Divine quality dwells bodily.
Jesus own words proves all those religions wrong--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Jesus has a God just like us. 100% fact= God does not have a God.

Of course.......its the Scriptures that are lying. Its you that SEES ( personal/private -- 2 Peter 1:20, interpretation which is forbidden )? And you don't see "quality" as a self defining term in describing God? Really? Quality: Websters: An "essential" and "distinguishing" attribute of something or SOMEONE. You admit that Jesus is Divine in one breath and declare He is not in the next? Divine: Term referring to the Judeo/Christian God. How could Jesus Christ be DIVINE and not God? Your cult vs. logic and reason mixes like oil and water. Consider John 1:1 that you presented and claim that Jesus was a creation of the Father. When the scriptures declare that Jesus was in THE BEGINNING, in the beginning Jesus already was (preexisting). God did not begin creating until the beginning, since Jesus was already there with God and was God.......Jesus was never created. The scriptures declare that EVERYTHING WAS CREATED THROUGH JESUS. (John 1:3) What? Did Jesus create Himself?


We are commanded to not reason beyond the written word (1 Cor. 4:6). And you are suggesting that Paul was a totally ignorant Jew in relation to Jewish Law and Customs? When in reality Paul studied at the feet of one of the most intelligent Jewish Rabbis of that time period.....Gamaliel (Acts 22:3)

Gamaliel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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Of course.......its the Scriptures that are lying. Its you that SEES ( personal/private -- 2 Peter 1:20, interpretation which is forbidden )? And you don't see "quality" as a self defining term in describing God? Really? Quality: Websters: An "essential" and "distinguishing" attribute of something or SOMEONE. You admit that Jesus is Divine in one breath and declare He is not in the next? Divine: Term referring to the Judeo/Christian God. How could Jesus Christ be DIVINE and not God? Your cult vs. logic and reason mixes like oil and water. Consider John 1:1 that you presented and claim that Jesus was a creation of the Father. When the scriptures declare that Jesus was in THE BEGINNING, in the beginning Jesus already was (preexisting). God did not begin creating until the beginning, since Jesus was already there with God and was God.......Jesus was never created. The scriptures declare that EVERYTHING WAS CREATED THROUGH JESUS. (John 1:3) What? Did Jesus create Himself?


We are commanded to not reason beyond the written word (1 Cor. 4:6). And you are suggesting that Paul was a totally ignorant Jew in relation to Jewish Law and Customs? When in reality Paul studied at the feet of one of the most intelligent Jewish Rabbis of that time period.....Gamaliel (Acts 22:3)

Gamaliel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actually Jesus is Gods master worker of Prov 8:30==8:22=Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating)= Created direct, first and last.= The Firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15)-- Then all other things were created through him. Prov 8:27-28, Gen 1:27--Isaiah 40:26- HE created, never we created. Corrupted latin texts had Possessed me at 8:22)= makes no sense.

 

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Actually Jesus is Gods master worker of Prov 8:30==8:22=Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating)= Created direct, first and last.= The Firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15)-- Then all other things were created through him. Prov 8:27-28, Gen 1:27--Isaiah 40:26- HE created, never we created. Corrupted latin texts had Possessed me at 8:22)= makes no sense.

Firstborn means "the first BORN HUMAN to defeat death.........". Read, comprehend..........Jesus is the first fruit. "But now Jesus has arisen (from the grave) from the dead, AND BECOME THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT (dead)." -- 1 Cor. 15:20

Did Michael ever promise to grant anyone eternal life................anywhere in the Holy Scriptures?


Even the Jews comprehended that Jesus was claiming to be God. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I (Jesus) give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand............I (Jesus) and the Father ARE ONE................" The Jews picked up stones to stone Him. Why? The Jews of the 1st century answer "...........and because you being a man, MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE GOD......." -- John 10:27-38 Jesus states that its HIM, that give eternal life. Vs 20:27

The nonsense that Jesus is the archangel Michael is a demonstration of your cults ignorance. Michael never claimed to be God anywhere in the Holy Scriptures........such as did Jesus. There are passages that confirm that angels are not to be worshiped (Rev. 22:8-9) only God is to be worshiped (Matthew 4:9-10.........Satan is a fallen angel). Most damning to your cult? You declare that Jesus is Michael.......a created being, and the created is never to be worshiped, "For they exchanged the truth for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature (the created), over the CREATOR (Jesus)." -- Romans 1:25





There are passages where Jesus Christ is worshiped as God. (Matt. 2:2, 8, 11, Matt. 14:33, "And those in the boat worshiped Him, 'You certainly are God's Son", 28:17, John 9:38)

 

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Firstborn means "the first BORN HUMAN to defeat death.........". Read, comprehend..........Jesus is the first fruit. "But now Jesus has arisen (from the grave) from the dead, AND BECOME THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT (dead)." -- 1 Cor. 15:20

Did Michael ever promise to grant anyone eternal life................anywhere in the Holy Scriptures?


Even the Jews comprehended that Jesus was claiming to be God. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I (Jesus) give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand............I (Jesus) and the Father ARE ONE................" The Jews picked up stones to stone Him. Why? The Jews of the 1st century answer "...........and because you being a man, MAKE YOURSELF OUT TO BE GOD......." -- John 10:27-38 Jesus states that its HIM, that give eternal life. Vs 20:27

The nonsense that Jesus is the archangel Michael is a demonstration of your cults ignorance. Michael never claimed to be God anywhere in the Holy Scriptures........such as did Jesus. There are passages that confirm that angels are not to be worshiped (Rev. 22:8-9) only God is to be worshiped (Matthew 4:9-10.........Satan is a fallen angel). Most damning to your cult? You declare that Jesus is Michael.......a created being, and the created is never to be worshiped, "For they exchanged the truth for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature (the created), over the CREATOR (Jesus)." -- Romans 1:25





There are passages where Jesus Christ is worshiped as God. (Matt. 2:2, 8, 11, Matt. 14:33, "And those in the boat worshiped Him, 'You certainly are God's Son", 28:17, John 9:38)

All creation shows 100% its speaking of the beginning creation. God rested after that.

 

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All creation shows 100% its speaking of the beginning creation. God rested after that.

Jesus Christ "created everything" to include Michael the archangel. Jesus existed in "the form of God" before He was born of a woman in the imagine of man. -- Phil. 2:5-11

"For by Him (Jesus Christ) ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, visible and invisible..............ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM FOR HIM. AND HE (Jesus Christ) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS (the scriptures declare that Jesus existed before ALL THINGS in heaven and on earth), and in Him all things are hold together." -- 1 Col. 16-17


Why worship the created and not the creator.........Jesus Christ? Simple: Your cult promotes an antichrist doctrine. Your cult did not exist until 1870.......nor did your supposed Bible exist until the early 20th century. There has not been one prophecy from the Watch Tower to ever come true.

 

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Jesus Christ "created everything" to include Michael the archangel. Jesus existed in "the form of God" before He was born of a woman in the imagine of man. -- Phil. 2:5-11

"For by Him (Jesus Christ) ALL THINGS WERE CREATED, IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, visible and invisible..............ALL THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM FOR HIM. AND HE (Jesus Christ) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS (the scriptures declare that Jesus existed before ALL THINGS in heaven and on earth), and in Him all things are hold together." -- 1 Col. 16-17


Why worship the created and not the creator.........Jesus Christ? Simple: Your cult promotes an antichrist doctrine. Your cult did not exist until 1870.......nor did your supposed Bible exist until the early 20th century. There has not been one prophecy from the Watch Tower to ever come true.

When stuff is created-THROUGH- one, its 100% fact another did it.

 

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When stuff is created-THROUGH- one, its 100% fact another did it.

Logic........lack thereof. How can something be created "through" something that does not yet exist? Are you declaring that Jesus is the created instead of the creator God? The scriptures do not include 2 different creation models........the first creation expressly for Jesus Christ alone. What? Are you further declaring that the scriptures endorse the worship of an angel, such as Michael? "Let no man defraud you of your prize (salvation) by delighting in self abasement (no self respect) and the worship of angels......" the passage explains such as those who claim to have VISIONS, claiming to be visited by angels....etc.

With your cults documented history of FALSE VISIONS and FAILED PROPHECIES..........this should be more than enough evidence for anyone with reason and logic to run the other way....such as the millions that departed from your cult previously after its failed prophecies.

Why do you continually ignore the documented fact that Jesus Christ is worshiped as God in the Holy Scriptures? Example: "........waiting for our blessed hope, THE APPEARING OF THE GLORY OF OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR........JESUS CHRIST." The same scripture goes on to declare that "we" members of God's kingdom...aka the church are "..........people of His own possession......" -- Titus 2:11-14

The scriptures declare that God the Father does not reserve the right of Judgment........that authority belongs to Jesus Christ. "For the Father judges no one, but has given all Judgment to the Son." Only God can forgive Sin. (Luke 5:21) Even the Jews comprehended that Jesus was claiming to be equal to God......same as. An example of Jesus forgiving sin? "But that ye may know that the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) hath power on earth to forgive SIN............" -- Matthew 9:6 Another Example: The thief on the cross (Matt. 27:28-34, Luke 23:39-44)

Who am I depending on to forgive my sins? Certainly not Michael the archangel. I prefer to worship the creator instead of the created.

 

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Logic........lack thereof. How can something be created "through" something that does not yet exist? Are you declaring that Jesus is the created instead of the creator God? The scriptures do not include 2 different creation models........the first creation expressly for Jesus Christ alone. What? Are you further declaring that the scriptures endorse the worship of an angel, such as Michael? "Let no man defraud you of your prize (salvation) by delighting in self abasement (no self respect) and the worship of angels......" the passage explains such as those who claim to have VISIONS, claiming to be visited by angels....etc.

With your cults documented history of FALSE VISIONS and FAILED PROPHECIES..........this should be more than enough evidence for anyone with reason and logic to run the other way....such as the millions that departed from your cult previously after its failed prophecies.

Why do you continually ignore the documented fact that Jesus Christ is worshiped as God in the Holy Scriptures? Example: "........waiting for our blessed hope, THE APPEARING OF THE GLORY OF OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR........JESUS CHRIST." The same scripture goes on to declare that "we" members of God's kingdom...aka the church are "..........people of His own possession......" -- Titus 2:11-14

The scriptures declare that God the Father does not reserve the right of Judgment........that authority belongs to Jesus Christ. "For the Father judges no one, but has given all Judgment to the Son." Only God can forgive Sin. (Luke 5:21) Even the Jews comprehended that Jesus was claiming to be equal to God......same as. An example of Jesus forgiving sin? "But that ye may know that the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) hath power on earth to forgive SIN............" -- Matthew 9:6 Another Example: The thief on the cross (Matt. 27:28-34, Luke 23:39-44)

Who am I depending on to forgive my sins? Certainly not Michael the archangel. I prefer to worship the creator instead of the created.

You don't know him. Jesus warned most they wouldn't-John 15:20-21= the Father= the creator.

 

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You don't know him. Jesus warned most they wouldn't-John 15:20-21= the Father= the creator.

I know only what God has revealed through the Holy Scriptures............anyone that attempts to tell you they talk to God and He answers them outside the written word are liars, frauds, and false prophets. The truth has been delivered once for all time (JUDE 3) to the saints of the 1st century who recorded the truth so that those who have never seen/witnessed the majesty of Christ might also believe. (2 Peter 1:16, John 20:29-31) God no longer speaks through prophets (Hebrews 1:1-2)

 

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I know only what God has revealed through the Holy Scriptures............anyone that attempts to tell you they talk to God and He answers them outside the written word are liars, frauds, and false prophets. The truth has been delivered once for all time (JUDE 3) to the saints of the 1st century who recorded the truth so that those who have never seen/witnessed the majesty of Christ might also believe. (2 Peter 1:16, John 20:29-31) God no longer speaks through prophets (Hebrews 1:1-2)

The holy spirit guides these-Matt 24:45-at the proper time. But any true follower can request holy spirit.