Judge slaps down Florida effort to ban abortion ad: ‘It’s the first amendment, stupid’

[konradv]

Dont forget this “ITS THE FIRST AMENDMENT, STUPID” argument when people say things like, “Ivermectin can be effective against COVID.”

ITS THE FIRST AMENDMENT, STUPID.

One message saves peoples’ lives; the other kills.

#MAGAKILLS

 

[OKTexas]

Now "states rights" trump the entire Constitution? Even things clearly enshrined in the Constitution should be ignored by the states if they wish?

You haven't read Dobbs, have you. It clearly states abortion is in no way enshrined in the Constitution. Just scroll down to page 85 of this PDF and read it for yourself.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

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[pknopp]

You haven't read Dobbs, have you. It clearly states abortion is in no way enshrined in the Constitution. Just scroll down to page 85 of this PDF and read it for yourself.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

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Straw man.

 

[OKTexas]

Straw man.

So a binding decision by SCOTUS is a strawman, REALLY?

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[pknopp]

So a binding decision by SCOTUS is a strawman, REALLY?

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It's irrelevant to the issue. But you know that.

 

[OKTexas]

It's irrelevant to the issue. But you know that.

Apologies, I misread the title of the thread. That said, States can't restrict advertising that is demonstrably false. So the FTC can do it, but not States? I don't get it.

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[pknopp]

Apologies, I misread the title of the thread. That said, States can't restrict advertising that is demonstrably false. So the FTC can do it, but not States? I don't get it.

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Pregnant women have been turned away. Was that the intent of the law?

Likely not but it was the result of the law so it's all kinda iffy.

 

[OKTexas]

Pregnant women have been turned away. Was that the intent of the law?

Likely not but it was the result of the law so it's all kinda iffy.

Turned away from what exactly?

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[climate chang]

So a binding decision by SCOTUS is a strawman, REALLY?

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PKnoop just like to throw out phrases that sound cool to him.

 

[pknopp]

Turned away from what exactly?

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In the article it notes how women have been turned away from medical services.

 

[OKTexas]

PKnoop just like to throw out phrases that sound cool to him.

Actually he was correct, I misread the thread title.

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[Marener]

You haven't read Dobbs, have you. It clearly states abortion is in no way enshrined in the Constitution. Just scroll down to page 85 of this PDF and read it for yourself.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf

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The issue here isn’t abortion, it’s free speech.

Free speech is enshrined in the Constitution and Florida just attempted to deprive Americans of that right by threatening criminal charges for engaging in protected speech by people talking about abortion.

 

[OKTexas]

The issue here isn’t abortion, it’s free speech.

Free speech is enshrined in the Constitution and Florida just attempted to deprive Americans of that right by threatening criminal charges for engaging in protected speech by people talking about abortion.

That's been addressed already. That said, the Constitution doesn't protect demonstrably false advertisement. Otherwise the FTC couldn't shut those ads down.

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[Marener]

That's been addressed already. That said, the Constitution doesn't protect demonstrably false advertisement. Otherwise the FTC couldn't shut those ads down.

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It’s not an advertisement for a commercial product. It’s political speech.

 

[pknopp]

The issue here isn’t abortion, it’s free speech.

Free speech is enshrined in the Constitution and Florida just attempted to deprive Americans of that right by threatening criminal charges for engaging in protected speech by people talking about abortion.

I've not seen the ad and I don't know what was presented in the ad or in court but it's certainly possible some could see this as two sided.

 

[Marener]

I've not seen the ad and I don't know what was presented in the ad or in court but it's certainly possible some could see this as two sided.

I believe the issue is a woman who got an abortion because she needed treatment for cancer.

I don’t see that as necessarily enshrined in the law, and it’s debatable because the law is not precise.

 

[OKTexas]

It’s not an advertisement for a commercial product. It’s political speech.

Exactly where does truth in advertising make that distinction?

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[pknopp]

I believe the issue is a woman who got an abortion because she needed treatment for cancer.

I don’t see that as necessarily enshrined in the law, and it’s debatable because the law is not precise.

Seems that way but there are other not so clear cases.

 

[Marener]

Exactly where does truth in advertising make that distinction?

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All over the place.

Federal Laws Governing Ads - Truth in Advertising

There are many federal laws that regulate advertisements in some way or another.

truthinadvertising.org

The advertising laws apply to commerce. Not to politics.

 

[OKTexas]

All over the place.

Federal Laws Governing Ads - Truth in Advertising

There are many federal laws that regulate advertisements in some way or another.

truthinadvertising.org

The advertising laws apply to commerce. Not to politics.

So according to your link, the government can prohibit advertising for perfectly legal products on radio and TV, but they can't stop deliberately false advertising promoting a commercial service to kill children? Does that really make sense to you?

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