Johns Hopkins University: “Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19..."

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish and gives epidemics more time to kill far greater numbers.
It may also still keep killing because it may have given the virus enough time to evolve and make vaccines useless.
The science says, NEVER FLATTEN THE CURVE.
That just gives the epidemic more time, and time is the one thing you NEVER want to give any epidemic.
You need to totally eradicate any epidemic as quickly as possible.
That is why full quarantine procedures, with contact tracing, is the best way to do it, because it is quickest.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Wrong.
Covid-19 only kills about 30k/month, and even then, only those already compromised.
While flu has killed over 60k/month, and kills even the most healthy.

Your claims are plainly COUNTER-FACTUAL.

Covid-19 deaths have been 500k/12months = 41k as month.
Flu (without shutdowns and other prevention) killed 22,000 in 2019, so thats 22k/12 = 2k a month. This number is almost ZERO in the current flu season thanks to all the prevention.

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

Wise up and stop spreading bullshit.

 

[Camp]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish

Yep, it's "just luck" that flattening of the curve worked by preventing a lot of people from catching covid before vaccine arrived...but that won't stop you from claiming that it was still bad.

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Wrong.
Covid-19 only kills about 30k/month, and even then, only those already compromised.
While flu has killed over 60k/month, and kills even the most healthy.

Your claims are plainly COUNTER-FACTUAL.

Covid-19 deaths have been 500k/12months = 41k as month.
Flu (without shutdowns and other prevention) killed 22,000 in 2019, so thats 22k/12 = 2k a month. This number is almost ZERO in the current flu season thanks to all the prevention.

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

Wise up and stop spreading bullshit.

Wrong.
Both flu and covid vary, but both normally average about the same, around 30k per month.
You are trying to add months when there were no deaths because the flu epidemic was already ended, and that is inaccurate because we did not lengthen the flu epidemic artificially by deliberately "flattening the curve".
Can we make flu last for years instead of months?
Absolutely.
It can be done with ANY epidemic.
All you have to do is "flatten the curve" by artificially conserving local hosts.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Wrong.
Covid-19 only kills about 30k/month, and even then, only those already compromised.
While flu has killed over 60k/month, and kills even the most healthy.

Your claims are plainly COUNTER-FACTUAL.

Covid-19 deaths have been 500k/12months = 41k as month.
Flu (without shutdowns and other prevention) killed 22,000 in 2019, so thats 22k/12 = 2k a month. This number is almost ZERO in the current flu season thanks to all the prevention.

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

Wise up and stop spreading bullshit.

Wrong.
Both flu and covid vary, but both normally average about the same, around 30k per month.

Dumbass, I just linked you CDC flu death statistics that plainly tell you that you are full of shit.

Flu has not killed 60k (which now suddely turned into 30k ) a month since the days of original Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918.

Don't agree with CDC? Ok post ANY source that could support your nutbag claims

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

Maybe he has a degree in creative writing from the Trump University.

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish

Yep, it's "just luck" that flattening of the curve worked by preventing a lot of people from catching covid before vaccine arrived...but that won't stop you from claiming that it was still bad.

Flattening the curve did not work at all.
It did not prevent anyone from catching covid-19.
It ensured the widest spread possible, by giving it the most amount of time.

The "luck" was that the SARS vaccine, which took over 6 years to make, accidentally worked on covid-19.
But normally vaccines take over 6 years, so one normally should never count on a vaccine.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.

No they are not. You are saying bullshit and I'm not sure if you are just lying or too self-diluted to understand that.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish

Yep, it's "just luck" that flattening of the curve worked by preventing a lot of people from catching covid before vaccine arrived...but that won't stop you from claiming that it was still bad.

Flattening the curve did not work at all.
It did not prevent anyone from catching covid-19.
It ensured the widest spread possible, by giving it the most amount of time.

Except it did, because we now have many people getting vaccinanted that never had covid. Which you say happened by luck, but of course can't actually refute.

And this is aside from many other reasons to avoid spikes in infections, like completely over-run healthcare system.

Does it stop you from repeating your buillshit? Nope, because you have a forgone conclusion no reason can touch.

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Wrong.
Covid-19 only kills about 30k/month, and even then, only those already compromised.
While flu has killed over 60k/month, and kills even the most healthy.

Your claims are plainly COUNTER-FACTUAL.

Covid-19 deaths have been 500k/12months = 41k as month.
Flu (without shutdowns and other prevention) killed 22,000 in 2019, so thats 22k/12 = 2k a month. This number is almost ZERO in the current flu season thanks to all the prevention.

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

Wise up and stop spreading bullshit.

Wrong.
Both flu and covid vary, but both normally average about the same, around 30k per month.

Dumbass, I just linked you CDC flu death statistics that plainly tell you that you are full of shit.

Flu has not killed 60k (which now suddely turned into 30k ) a month since the days of original Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918.

Don't agree with CDC? Ok post ANY source that could support your nutbag claims

Liar.
Flu usually kills from 20k to 70k per month.
That is what CDC statistics prove.
The 1957 Asian flu killed 116,000 in the US in 2 months.
The 1969 Hong Kong flu killed 100,000 in the US in 2 months.
The 2009 Swine flu killed about 20,000 in the US in 2 months.

You can make any epidemic last forever by "flattening the curve", conserving local hosts, and giving it more time so spread.

 

[Camp]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.

The fact the 2009 SARS vaccine was able to be used on covid-19 is just luck.
The reality is that "flattening the curve" is known to be entirely foolish

Yep, it's "just luck" that flattening of the curve worked by preventing a lot of people from catching covid before vaccine arrived...but that won't stop you from claiming that it was still bad.

Flattening the curve did not work at all.
It did not prevent anyone from catching covid-19.
It ensured the widest spread possible, by giving it the most amount of time.

Except it did, because we now have many people getting vaccinanted that never had covid. Which you say happened by luck, but of course can't actually refute.

And this is aside from many other reasons to avoid spikes in infections, like completely over-run healthcare system.

Does it stop you from repeating your buillshit? Nope, because you have a forgone conclusion no reason can touch.

Wrong.
No health care is every threatened to be over run by an initial spike.
In fact, NYC did not even bother to use the US navy hospital ship sent there.
Most hospitals are half empty due to the epidemic, since no one wants to go there.

What over runs hospitals is when you "flatten the curve", because then long term ventilator therapy starts to accumulate.

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

 

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Wrong.
Covid-19 only kills about 30k/month, and even then, only those already compromised.
While flu has killed over 60k/month, and kills even the most healthy.

Your claims are plainly COUNTER-FACTUAL.

Covid-19 deaths have been 500k/12months = 41k as month.
Flu (without shutdowns and other prevention) killed 22,000 in 2019, so thats 22k/12 = 2k a month. This number is almost ZERO in the current flu season thanks to all the prevention.

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

Wise up and stop spreading bullshit.

Wise up and stop spreading bullshit....listen to your own advice little boy

 

[AntonToo]

Liar.
Flu usually kills from 20k to 70k per month.
That is what CDC statistics prove.

The 1957 Asian flu killed 116,000 in the US in 2 months.
The 1969 Hong Kong flu killed 100,000 in the US in 2 months.
The 2009 Swine flu killed about 20,000 in the US in 2 months.

No it DOES NOT usually kill 20k to 70k a month. NOVEL strains (to population) has caused historic pandemics like Covid-19 is doing now. But normal season flu death toll is 2-5k a month.

2009 Swine Flu was relatively mild pandemic with only 60,000 deaths (5k a month) compared to 500,000+ for Covid-19 thus far.

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

www.cdc.gov

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I've directly linked you to normal season flu statistics for CDC and you are still posting total horseshit about CDC suppposedly backing up your insane claims.

Estimated Influenza-Related Illnesses, Medical Visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2019–2020 Influenza Season | CDC

CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.

www.cdc.gov

Do you have some sort of a learning disorder thats is causing you to do this?

 

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

Maybe he has a degree in creative writing from the Trump University.

then i guess yours came from AIRHEAD U...

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

What kind of degree do you have and where did you get it from? Did you develop your theories on your own or are you just passing on stuff you read somewhere?

This is basic epidemiology, and all doctors are taught this.
It is basic that you never want to "flatten the curve".
Instead you want to accelerate it.
That is why ancients developed and practiced "variolation", where you deliberately infect the healthy with a deliberately mild case.
Goes back to ancient Egypt, India, and China.
Flattening the curve is always wrong because it gives the epidemic more time, which means a wider and deeper spread.
Speed is of the essence, which is why fast quarantine methods are what are normally prescribed, NOT slow methods to flatten the curve.

How would you know what doctors are taught? Sounds like you watched a video or saw something on FOX.

Wrong.
Just ask other doctors, as I have.
There is not a one who supports "flattening the curve".
They all say it gives the epidemic the most time to spread the furthest.

I work in a hospital and constantly deal with all kinds of doctors, please just stfu already as you have no idea wtf you, and quacks you may listen to, are talking about.

 

[WTF19]

My step-father was mentally ready to die two years before his wife died. He had dementia.

He smoked 82 years & was put in a home. Big bummer, but we had some good times, and he was helps the ladies guy at the home.

Then those MOTHER FUCKERS we know as govt., including Governor Socialic locked him away from me for 9 months. They had the audacity to say he died of COVID, and the hospital etc. did much worse than that.

Suck it!

Sorry to hear about your loss, but maybe they said he died of Covid...because he did.

Smoking ravaged lungs and Covid is a bad combo.

look shit stain. you know nothing. shut your lack of a brain shit spewing hole
the poster TOLD you, and you still argue...you are a fucking moron