Johns Hopkins University: “Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19..."

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

 

[jc456]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the future or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

After covid-19 means after it started, not after it is over.
And while we have over 300,000 covid deaths, we had just as many the same period last year.
That likely is because the epidemic kept us at home more, and saved a lot of lives.

What you’ve just said is a FANTASY. We do not have same amount dead, we have much more dead and that difference closely tracks the current half a million death toll. please stop spreading ignorant horsecrap and go look at the excessive death statistics.

Bullshit, daily death rate has remained the same. I’ve posted four times now. So, post yours

Completely debunked

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the future or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

After covid-19 means after it started, not after it is over.
And while we have over 300,000 covid deaths, we had just as many the same period last year.
That likely is because the epidemic kept us at home more, and saved a lot of lives.

What you’ve just said is a FANTASY. We do not have same amount dead, we have much more dead and that difference closely tracks the current half a million death toll. please stop spreading ignorant horsecrap and go look at the excessive death statistics.

Bullshit, daily death rate has remained the same. I’ve posted four times now. So, post yours

Completely Debunked

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.

www.cdc.gov

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even the OP post is debunked ....

You are just showing us you are guilible...

Post numbers big guy, you got nothing, 8000 deaths a day since 2017. Go to cdc and look it up fool

 

[jc456]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Post daily rate since 2017, no increase hmmm

 

[WTF19]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

whatever your delusional mind tells you. if it makes you feel better, go with it
you actually are the retarded moron

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

whatever your delusional mind tells you. if it makes you feel better, go with it
you actually are the retarded moron

That's nice, but facts are what they are.

 

[SweetTea]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

 

[jc456]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

whatever your delusional mind tells you. if it makes you feel better, go with it
you actually are the retarded moron

That's nice, but facts are what they are.

you didn't present any facts, so there are no facts that you provided that backed your post. any day post the cdc daily death rate since 2017. I have before in here. you should look them up. At least provide the data that supports your nonsense post.

 

[Polishprince]

Although the people who conducted this study find the results “surprising,” I myself do not.

Anyway, this is proof that the panic and hysteria over COVID-19, as well as the lockdowns, closures, cancellations, restrictions, and other authoritarian actions on the part of political leaders, were all completely unjustified.

Johns Hopkins University has just reported the following:

“Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.”

Source: A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

The 68 year old Irish fellow I know who died of Corona was also suffering from Diabetes, Emphysema, diabetic foot infections where amputations were recommended, COPD and Stage IV liver cancer. I think he was destined to be enjoying a cold one in heaven with St. Paddy sooner rather than later already, even before covid.

 

[jc456]

Although the people who conducted this study find the results “surprising,” I myself do not.

Anyway, this is proof that the panic and hysteria over COVID-19, as well as the lockdowns, closures, cancellations, restrictions, and other authoritarian actions on the part of political leaders, were all completely unjustified.

Johns Hopkins University has just reported the following:

“Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.”

Source: A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19

The 68 year old Irish fellow I know who died of Corona was also suffering from Diabetes, Emphysema, diabetic foot infections where amputations were recommended, COPD and Stage IV liver cancer. I think he was destined to be enjoying a cold one in heaven with St. Paddy sooner rather than later already, even before covid.

all one has to do is pull daily death counts since 2017 to see the larger picture.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

 

[bendog]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

But his option is to accept that Trump was a disaster.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

My step-father was mentally ready to die two years before his wife died. He had dementia.

He smoked 82 years & was put in a home. Big bummer, but we had some good times, and he was helps the ladies guy at the home.

Then those MOTHER FUCKERS we know as govt., including Governor Socialic locked him away from me for 9 months. They had the audacity to say he died of COVID, and the hospital etc. did much worse than that.

Suck it!

 

[AntonToo]

My step-father was mentally ready to die two years before his wife died. He had dementia.

He smoked 82 years & was put in a home. Big bummer, but we had some good times, and he was helps the ladies guy at the home.

Then those MOTHER FUCKERS we know as govt., including Governor Socialic locked him away from me for 9 months. They had the audacity to say he died of COVID, and the hospital etc. did much worse than that.

Suck it!

Sorry to hear about your loss, but maybe they said he died of Covid...because he did.

Smoking ravaged lungs and Covid is a bad combo.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

My step-father was mentally ready to die two years before his wife died. He had dementia.

He smoked 82 years & was put in a home. Big bummer, but we had some good times, and he was helps the ladies guy at the home.

Then those MOTHER FUCKERS we know as govt., including Governor Socialic locked him away from me for 9 months. They had the audacity to say he died of COVID, and the hospital etc. did much worse than that.

Suck it!

Sorry to hear about your loss, but maybe they said he died of Covid...because he did.

Smoking ravaged lungs and Covid is a bad combo.

Nope, it was a lie.

 

[AntonToo]

My step-father was mentally ready to die two years before his wife died. He had dementia.

He smoked 82 years & was put in a home. Big bummer, but we had some good times, and he was helps the ladies guy at the home.

Then those MOTHER FUCKERS we know as govt., including Governor Socialic locked him away from me for 9 months. They had the audacity to say he died of COVID, and the hospital etc. did much worse than that.

Suck it!

Sorry to hear about your loss, but maybe they said he died of Covid...because he did.

Smoking ravaged lungs and Covid is a bad combo.

Nope, it was a lie.

Thats quite the charge. How do you know that?

Is there serious evidence or just some ideas you have?

If there is serious evidence, you should go ahead and take it to court.

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

the flu kills more on average

no it doesn’t moron, flu deaths are around 40k, not half a million. And this is not even a direct comparo since we don’t mask op and shut down for flu, if we did, flu deaths would be near zero like they are right now.

Wrong.
Covid-19 only kills about 30k/month, and even then, only those already compromised.
While flu has killed over 60k/month, and kills even the most healthy.
The difference is that we prevented covid-19 from going away, as it would have if we let it.
Masking up does NOT decrease death tolls, but greatly increasing it, by preventing any epidemic from ending.
For epidemics to end, they have to run out of easy local hosts, and to do that, they have to spike.
When you "flatten the curve" to prevent a spike, you prevent them from being able to end, so greatly increase the total in the long run.
Think of this over time.
The longer the epidemic has in time, the wider and deeper it spreads, insuring the greatest death total.
What shortens the time is when the pathogen gets too greedy and uses up local hosts too quickly.
Then if it can't find an uninfected person to transfer to in 12 days, it does out.
When we "flatten the curve", we conserve local hosts, preventing the pathogen from dying out.

 

[easyt65]

"Johns Hopkins University: “Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19..."

......well, except for the death rates of senior citizens living in nursing homes in Democrat-run states....

 

[Rigby5]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

 

[AntonToo]

After Covid-19? This must be an article from the furture or one of them rightwinger fantasies.

We are well over 300,000 deaths compared to same period last year. If it's not mostly older people then who the f is it?

For reasonable person the virus has been mostly a non issue since it was discovered that it's one hundredth as lethal as it was thought to be at the start by many. It's rapidly becoming a bad flu - and for most people not even that.

No black death...

Norman, lets get real, you don't know anything about reasonable.

Overall deaths are well above normal and thats true EVERYWHERE with Covid-19 outbreaks.

If you average the low and high number of coronavirus deaths per day since the virus was first detected Jan. 20, 2020, it can only attributed to about one out of ten total deaths each day since then.

"As of November 24, 2020, an average of around 936.5 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, is an average of almost 332 people. Based on the latest information, more than one in ten deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th."

U.S. COVID-19 average deaths by day | Statista

And? Death rates are much more stable than many imagine through the annual cycle. So although Covid-19 effects are only a fraction of all the reasons people die it is still plainly visible to anyone not blinded by idiology.

2018 is what a bad flue season looks like, it's not anywhere close to the excess deaths during 2020.

Try looking at a bigger picture, instead of a small slice of history. The number of deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic make this look like a sniffle.

1918 Pandemic lasted 2 years and you are comparing about half a year worth of data (it lags) to that.

Total death count for 1918 pandemic is at about 675,000, so yes, it is worse than the expected 400,000 death toll for Covid-19 occuring 100 years later, in a much more medically and socially advanced age.

So whats your point? That because 1918 pandemic was worse, 2020 pandemic is not bad?

If you think the heightened flu is anywhere near 1918 pandemic - you are retarded. Spanish flu killed 700,000 from a population one third the size. Do you believe the virus will kill over two million people at this point?

And of course, they weren't recording every death as a virus death. Almost 10x the deaths we have had... it won't ever happen.

Moron, did I not just explain that 1918 pandemic being real bad does not mean 2020 pandemic is not?

700k people dead is bad, but 400k dead with all the modern medical and social tech is somehow a-ok? It's insane what you fools are arguing.

Maybe you should adjust your numbers for the population. The US population in 1918 was 103 million. It is 330 million now. Easy math shows that the Spanish flu killed .68% of the US population. COVID has supposedly killed .12%. The Spanish Flu was approximately 6 times more deadlY in the US and MUCH more deadly in Europe. Medical advances are not relevant, only the bottom line, because if medical advnaces can save folks, the virus should no longer be considered as dangerous.

The main point is that destroying our economy for 1 tenth of one percent seems a little extreme to me. We could have been much smarter by allowing those not in more high-risk groups to continue working. This would have saved our economy and likely resulted in no more deaths. Democrats saw this as a way to help them get Trump out of office. The economy was far too strong for Biden to even have a chance. They had to do something after the fake impeachment and Russian investigations failed to deliver. They took full advantage.

Your logic is just bad.

1. The death toll is STILL RISING - it is no longer 400,000 it was when you first quoted me, it's now 540,000 and it will keep growing to around 700,000. Spanish flu totals are from a period over 3 years.

2. That death toll is WITH the shutdowns - without all the prevention the death toll would be much much higher. In the millions. The preventative measures we took were pontent enough to nearly wipe out all influenza infections this season.

But it's not just bad logic, but completely inhumane, casual way you view half a million people now dead. All the lives this pandemic took, all the suffering and pain is a historic tragedy that well warranted some shutdowns and economic slowdown.

Wrong.
Without all the things being done to "flatten the curve", the epidemic would have burned out and ended last April.
By "flattening the curve" we gave it longer time, so that it could kill more.
If we keep "flattening the curve", not only can we make the epidemic last forever, but the virus will evolve, become endemic to humans, and become ubiquitous and never be able to go away.

Bullshit, plenty of people that never got covid (thanks to flattened curve) are now vaccinated or will be vaccinated shortly.