Jesus is Michael

[kjw47]

Prove it...

All who listen to Jesus over dogmas and errors know its truth. Trinity based religions have errors in translations, they contradict Jesus and the other bible writers. Put in to fit false council teachings centuries ago.
New testament in greek and english-1822 has-a god in the last line at John 1:1--compared both languages to prove the capitol G God was error, but of course rejected by trinitarians. Literal translation of NT 1863= a god--- New testament an improved version 1808= a god--- Concise commentary bible 1885= a god. all rejected by trinitarians even though there was proof they are correct.

 

[Cougarbear]

All who listen to Jesus over dogmas and errors know its truth. Trinity based religions have errors in translations, they contradict Jesus and the other bible writers. Put in to fit false council teachings centuries ago.
New testament in greek and english-1822 has-a god in the last line at John 1:1--compared both languages to prove the capitol G God was error, but of course rejected by trinitarians. Literal translation of NT 1863= a god--- New testament an improved version 1808= a god--- Concise commentary bible 1885= a god. all rejected by trinitarians even though there was proof they are correct.

But, your dogma is full of errors. It's your claim there are errors in translations. But, 99.9% of the world translators disagree with you. Your scholars contradict Jesus and other bible writers and council falsely today as they did when they claimed the world would end in 1914 and five other times.
Your definition of "god" or "God" is in error. The ironic thing is that if you believe that the "Word" was "a god" you are claiming that Christ was a god. Just like The Father because the Word was with God or with "a God" meaning 2 Gods or 2 personages with the title of God and the authority of God. Meaning, Godhead (more than one). So, you are in correct with error. John 10:34 says Jesus said he spoke to David as Jehovah.

 

[kjw47]

But, your dogma is full of errors. It's your claim there are errors in translations. But, 99.9% of the world translators disagree with you. Your scholars contradict Jesus and other bible writers and council falsely today as they did when they claimed the world would end in 1914 and five other times.
Your definition of "god" or "God" is in error. The ironic thing is that if you believe that the "Word" was "a god" you are claiming that Christ was a god. Just like The Father because the Word was with God or with "a God" meaning 2 Gods or 2 personages with the title of God and the authority of God. Meaning, Godhead (more than one). So, you are in correct with error. John 10:34 says Jesus said he spoke to David as Jehovah.

Satan is called god at 2 Cor 4:4--He is not being called the true God, so your reasoning is false. A god = has godlike qualities. You add words that are not true about it.
C.T.Russell said in 1889--peace will be taken from the earth in 1914--he was 100% correct on that. The only man on earth who knew rev 6 would occur then. He did confuse it for Har-mageddon, but it was the war in heaven. They have repented of putting a date on Har-mageddon. They have revealed many truths since the start.
When the JW leaders came out of the Catholic archives, found proof--The spirit, water and blood were the 3 witness bearers,( they werent allowed back in after that) so other translations changed it to truth. Other bibles had-father, son, and holy spirit=error--proving errors were translated in to back false council teachings. There are many others.

 

[Cougarbear]

Satan is called god at 2 Cor 4:4--He is not being called the true God, so your reasoning is false. A god = has godlike qualities. You add words that are not true about it.
C.T.Russell said in 1889--peace will be taken from the earth in 1914--he was 100% correct on that. The only man on earth who knew rev 6 would occur then. He did confuse it for Har-mageddon, but it was the war in heaven. They have repented of putting a date on Har-mageddon. They have revealed many truths since the start.
When the JW leaders came out of the Catholic archives, found proof--The spirit, water and blood were the 3 witness bearers,( they werent allowed back in after that) so other translations changed it to truth. Other bibles had-father, son, and holy spirit=error--proving errors were translated in to back false council teachings. There are many others.

That's your opinion but not coming from any scripture or fact. "a god" is God. It's your opinion in means god-like qualities. You are wrong, again. Just like the five times the world was supposed to end. WW1 was just another war. Not the end of the word. False prophet. No, there was no error. They weren't allowed back in because they lied about what was there so they could deceive followers and take the money and run. Again, you think that JW's were the only ones that went into the archives. No, many other protestant churches have been in and read the writings too. The LDS Church as well. You are incorrect again. The Word (Jehovah) was in the beginning. The Word (Jehovah was with God (the Father). The Word (Jehovah) was God. One God (Godhead) with three separate and distinct personages. checkmate!

 

[kjw47]

That's your opinion but not coming from any scripture or fact. "a god" is God. It's your opinion in means god-like qualities. You are wrong, again. Just like the five times the world was supposed to end. WW1 was just another war. Not the end of the word. False prophet. No, there was no error. They weren't allowed back in because they lied about what was there so they could deceive followers and take the money and run. Again, you think that JW's were the only ones that went into the archives. No, many other protestant churches have been in and read the writings too. The LDS Church as well. You are incorrect again. The Word (Jehovah) was in the beginning. The Word (Jehovah was with God (the Father). The Word (Jehovah) was God. One God (Godhead) with three separate and distinct personages. checkmate!

Rev 6 states-peace will be taken from the earth, thus not a single war, a world war. The Father is Jehovah, not Jesus--Hallowed be thy name=Jehovah. There is no other name.
The facts of Israelite God worship history and the teachings of Jesus prove my teachers are correct.
A false prophecy= all righteous go to heaven. Matt 5:5-Psalm 37:9-11, 29--Prov 2:21-22--So your teachers are in the same boat--the difference is, my teachers repented, yours outright refuse.

 

[Cougarbear]

Rev 6 states-peace will be taken from the earth, thus not a single war, a world war. The Father is Jehovah, not Jesus--Hallowed be thy name=Jehovah. There is no other name.
The facts of Israelite God worship history and the teachings of Jesus prove my teachers are correct.
A false prophecy= all righteous go to heaven. Matt 5:5-Psalm 37:9-11, 29--Prov 2:21-22--So your teachers are in the same boat--the difference is, my teachers repented, yours outright refuse.

Jesus chastised the Israelites for polluting the truth of the teachings. So did Jesus when he was Jehovah. The Prophets teach this.
The Father's name has been revealed in these, the latter days as Elohim. Jehovah was on the right hand of Elohim and came down to atone for our sins as Jesus the Christ. He returned to the Father and back on the right hand of Elohim. You refuse to acknowledge this from a true Prophet of God, Joseph Smith, who never uttered a false prophecy. Unlike yours. Like your first prophet who first said the world would end on a specific date, when it didn't happen, instead of admitting he was a false prophet, he instead said he misinterpreted scripture to hide his falseness. And, it happened 4 other times. Yet, you want me to believe your interpretations are correct??? LOL! Just that fact you say all righteous persons are false prophets tells me your religion is false and perverse.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus chastised the Israelites for polluting the truth of the teachings. So did Jesus when he was Jehovah. The Prophets teach this.
The Father's name has been revealed in these, the latter days as Elohim. Jehovah was on the right hand of Elohim and came down to atone for our sins as Jesus the Christ. He returned to the Father and back on the right hand of Elohim. You refuse to acknowledge this from a true Prophet of God, Joseph Smith, who never uttered a false prophecy. Unlike yours. Like your first prophet who first said the world would end on a specific date, when it didn't happen, instead of admitting he was a false prophet, he instead said he misinterpreted scripture to hide his falseness. And, it happened 4 other times. Yet, you want me to believe your interpretations are correct??? LOL! Just that fact you say all righteous persons are false prophets tells me your religion is false and perverse.

No where in the bible does it say Jehovah was at the right hand of Elohim. Only by twisting truth. Elohim is not a name. Who ever is telling you it is, is lying. YHWH(Jehovah) is the Fathers name. Jesus is not the Father. Joseph Smith huh--please.

 

[emilynghiem]

No. Jesus and Jehovah are one in the same. Elohim is the Father. Jesus (Jehovah is the Son). Adam is the ancient of days or Michael.

God has many names.
Wisdom and Truth are names synonymous with the Kingdom of God.
God's Will, Word, Laws and Authority
Are Fulfilled and Embodied in
YESHUA as Salvation or
JESUS as God's Divine JUSTICE.

Elohim is the "plural name of God" more in line with the HOLY SPIRIT on the level of humanity where God's love and truth manifests in our relations between neighbors among the Church or Body/Bride of Christ as the
Lord/Law over all laws, and the Universal Messiah or Message for all people tribes and nations to receive as ONE.

So yes Michael is more on the level of the Holy Spirit, God's Mercy and Wisdom that brings PEACE and COMFORT to the people. Adam marks the originial lineage where humans first had conscious awareness of God's will and man's will.

This connection in Christ Jesus or God's Authority of Justice was always with God our Father in Heaven, but became MANIFESTED or embodied/incarnated through Jesus/Yeshua in order to reach all humanity.

The fulfillment is a Process because all Humanity must receive/understand Jesus as Justice and Yeshua as Salvation.

Secular Gentiles under Natural laws receive understanding of Jesus as Justice.

Believers under Scripture receive understanding of Yeshua as Salvation.

Both paths are right, governed and fulfilled by the same Jesus/Yeshua as the Son of God and Son of Man.

Jesus/Yeshua governs both folds of the one flock as one in Christ, or joined in Conscience where male/female are one in harmony (but not the same), Jew and Gentile are one (but not the same), bond and free are one and equal (but not the same).

Father Son and Holy Spirit are one (but not all the same manifestation).

John 10:29-30 Jesus confirms BOTH God the Father is greater than all, while also He and the Father are one (so BOTH statements are equally true, not either/or).

Michael is more a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and one with Jesus/Yeshua
(But not the same). And both Michael
and Jesus are one with God, but not the same.

Yeshua is the name of the Son that means Salvation.
Jesus is the name of the Son that invokes the spirit of Restorative Justice
to bring Peace which the Holy Spirit represents.

There is one ONE begotten Son of God made manifest so this has to be the same Son, Jesus/Yeshua as the living incarnation of the Word/Laws/Will of God or Justice that brings Salvation.

God has 99 names as well as "Titles"
where Lord/God are called "Titles".

We all know that by the definition and meaning of what "God" represents, all these names/Titles must refer to the one and only supreme/absolute God universal over all.

So all these names/titles point to the same "God/YHWH/Jehovah/Kingdom of God" for any of these claims/names to be true by definition.

We do not need to haggle over which names, because there are multiple contexts and manifestations of the one God.

Please be at peace, please forgive and receive one another all bringing parts of God's truth from multiple angles or angels that all point to the one God or Source of all truth, and all perceptions relative to each tribe God created for His purposes and plans. Not to divide us in fear but to organize us in diverse tribes and nations all bearing witness to the same God who created us all.

Let us give thanks and glory to the one Godly Father in Heaven, and love/forgive one another as His equal children joined as one through Christ Jesus known as Heavenly Salvation and as God's divine universal Equal Justice Under Law and Restorative Justice or Peace and Justice for all Humanity.

In Jesus/Yeshua Name. Amen. Let us receive in full and in peace, Baptizing all Nations in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Amen thanks praise and mercy with grace and salvation to all.

 

[emilynghiem]

God has 99 names as well as "Titles"
where Lord/God are called "Titles".

We all know that by the definition and meaning of what "God" represents, all these names/Titles must refer to the one and only supreme/absolute God universal over all.

So all these names/titles point to the same "God/YHWH/Jehovah/Kingdom of God" for any of these claims/names to be true by definition.

We do not need to haggle over which names, because there are multiple contexts and manifestations of the one God.

Please be at peace, please forgive and receive one another all bringing parts of God's truth from multiple angles or angels that all point to the one God or Source of all truth, and all perceptions relative to each tribe God created for His purposes and plans. Not to divide us in fear but to organize us in diverse tribes and nations all bearing witness to the same God who created us all.

Let us give thanks and glory to the one Godly Father in Heaven, and love/forgive one another as His equal children joined as one through Christ Jesus known as Heavenly Salvation and as God's divine universal Equal Justice Under Law and Restorative Justice or Peace and Justice for all Humanity.

In Jesus/Yeshua Name. Amen. Let us receive in full and in peace, Baptizing all Nations in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Amen thanks praise and mercy with grace and salvation to all.

God has many names.
Wisdom and Truth are names synonymous with the Kingdom of God.
God's Will, Word, Laws and Authority
Are Fulfilled and Embodied in
YESHUA as Salvation or
JESUS as God's Divine JUSTICE.

Elohim is more in line with the HOLY SPIRIT on the level of humanity where God's love and truth manifests in our relations between neighbors among the Church or Body/Bride of Christ as the
Lord/Law over all laws, and the Universal Messiah or Message for all people tribes and nations to receive as ONE.

So yes Michael is more on the level of the Holy Spirit, God's Mercy and Wisdom
that brings PEACE and COMFORT to the people. Adam marks the originial lineage where humans first had conscious awareness of God's will and man's will.

This connection in Christ Jesus or God's Authority of Justice was always with God our Father in Heaven, but became MANIFESTED or embodied/incarnated through Jesus/Yeshua in order to reach all humanity.

The fulfillment is a Process because all Humanity must receive/understand Jesus as Justice and Yeshua as Salvation.

Secular Gentiles under Natural laws receive understanding of Jesus as Justice.

Believers under Scripture receive understanding of Yeshua as Salvation.

Both paths are right, governed and fulfilled by the same Jesus/Yeshua as the Son of God and Son of Man.

Jesus/Yeshua governs both folds of the one flock as one in Christ, or joined in Conscience where male/female are one in harmony (but not the same), Jew and Gentile are one (but not the same), bond and free are one and equal (but not the same).

Father Son and Holy Spirit are one (but not all the same manifestation).

John 10:29-30 Jesus confirms BOTH God the Father is greater than all, while also He and the Father are one (so BOTH statements are equally true, not either/or).

Michael is more a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and one with Jesus/Yeshua
(But not the same). And both Michael
and Jesus are one with God, but not the same.

Yeshua is the name of the Son that means Salvation.
Jesus is the name of the Son that invokes the spirit of Restorative Justice
to bring Peace which the Holy Spirit represents.

There is one ONE begotten Son of God made manifest so this has to be the same Son, Jesus/Yeshua as the living incarnation of the Word/Laws/Will of God or Justice that brings Salvation.

God has 99 names as well as "Titles"
where Lord/God are called "Titles".

We all know that by the definition and meaning of what "God" represents, all these names/Titles must refer to the one and only supreme/absolute God universal over all.

So all these names/titles point to the same "God/YHWH/Jehovah/Kingdom of God" for any of these claims/names to be true by definition.

We do not need to haggle over which names, because there are multiple contexts and manifestations of the one God.

Please be at peace, please forgive and receive one another all bringing parts of God's truth from multiple angles or angels that all point to the one God or Source of all truth, and all perceptions relative to each tribe God created for His purposes and plans. Not to divide us in fear but to organize us in diverse tribes and nations all bearing witness to the same God who created us all.

Let us give thanks and glory to the one Godly Father in Heaven, and love/forgive one another as His equal children joined as one through Christ Jesus known as Heavenly Salvation and as God's divine universal Equal Justice Under Law and Restorative Justice or Peace and Justice for all Humanity.

In Jesus/Yeshua Name. Amen. Let us receive in full and in peace, Baptizing all Nations in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Amen thanks praise and mercy with grace and salvation to all.

No. Jesus and Jehovah are one in the same. Elohim is the Father. Jesus (Jehovah is the Son). Adam is the ancient of days or Michael.

No where in the bible does it say Jehovah was at the right hand of Elohim. Only by twisting truth. Elohim is not a name. Who ever is telling you it is, is lying. YHWH(Jehovah) is the Fathers name. Jesus is not the Father. Joseph Smith huh--please.

Yes, Jesus is not the same as the Father but is ONE with the Father.
God's Word Will Laws and Justice are what are embodied/manifested as Jesus or Yeshua for people as the church body receiving Jesus as Lord or Authority of Law over Gentiles and Jews alike.

kjw47 for you to reject/separate yourself from Christians who believe Jesus is divine incarnation of God's Justice embodied in man, means you and other Jehovah Witnesses are actually Gentiles under Natural Laws receiving Justice that way.

You respond to the Authority of your JW Elders and Organization as the Mediator between you and Jesus as Mediator between man and God.

Secular Gentiles do the same thing and respond to tribal hierarchy as you are under.

When you and your Elders agree in Christ with witnesses from other churches and tribes equally acting as hierarchies, then we will reach consensus on both man's laws and on God's laws through the same Authority of Law that Christ Jesus represents which governs ALL authorities/dominions visible or invisible (Colossians 1:16).

I pray for all witnesses to God's truth to convene and confer with one another (as by Matthew 18:15-20, Matthew 5:44, James 5:16 and Matthew 6:14-15 with God's full forgiveness, protection and correction), praying in agreement in Christ Jesus, for all such rebukes and corrections to be received in this spirit of Universal Peace and Justice for all so God's truth is established among witnesses from every tribe and nation God has called to unite in Christ Jesus name. Amen.

 

[kjw47]

Yes, Jesus is not the same as the Father but is ONE with the Father.
God's Word Will Laws and Justice are what are embodied/manifested as Jesus or Yeshua for people as the church body receiving Jesus as Lord or Authority of Law over Gentiles and Jews alike.

kjw47 for you to reject/separate yourself from Christians who believe Jesus is divine incarnation of God's Justice embodied in man, means you and other Jehovah Witnesses are actually Gentiles under Natural Laws receiving Justice that way.

You respond to the Authority of your JW Elders and Organization as the Mediator between you and Jesus as Mediator between man and God.

Secular Gentiles do the same thing and respond to tribal hierarchy as you are under.

When you and your Elders agree in Christ with witnesses from other churches and tribes equally acting as hierarchies, then we will reach consensus on both man's laws and on God's laws through the same Authority of Law that Christ Jesus represents which governs ALL authorities/dominions visible or invisible (Colossians 1:16).

I pray for all witnesses to God's truth to convene and confer with one another (as by Matthew 18:15-20, Matthew 5:44, James 5:16 and Matthew 6:14-15 with God's full forgiveness, protection and correction), praying in agreement in Christ Jesus, for all such rebukes and corrections to be received in this spirit of Universal Peace and Justice for all so God's truth is established among witnesses from every tribe and nation God has called to unite in Christ Jesus name. Amen.

Actually Jesus is the head of the congregation. Collosians 1:18)-- The JW leaders are the teachers Jesus himself appointed-Matthew 24:45-- Luke 10:16 is clear--Those who listen to his appointed teachers are listening to Jesus. And vica versa, those who refuse to listen to them are rejecting Jesus and his Father as well. I know 100% the JW teachers are those teachers Jesus appointed.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yes, Jesus is not the same as the Father but is ONE with the Father.
God's Word Will Laws and Justice are what are embodied/manifested as Jesus or Yeshua for people as the church body receiving Jesus as Lord or Authority of Law over Gentiles and Jews alike.

kjw47 for you to reject/separate yourself from Christians who believe Jesus is divine incarnation of God's Justice embodied in man, means you and other Jehovah Witnesses are actually Gentiles under Natural Laws receiving Justice that way.

You respond to the Authority of your JW Elders and Organization as the Mediator between you and Jesus as Mediator between man and God.

Secular Gentiles do the same thing and respond to tribal hierarchy as you are under.

When you and your Elders agree in Christ with witnesses from other churches and tribes equally acting as hierarchies, then we will reach consensus on both man's laws and on God's laws through the same Authority of Law that Christ Jesus represents which governs ALL authorities/dominions visible or invisible (Colossians 1:16).

I pray for all witnesses to God's truth to convene and confer with one another (as by Matthew 18:15-20, Matthew 5:44, James 5:16 and Matthew 6:14-15 with God's full forgiveness, protection and correction), praying in agreement in Christ Jesus, for all such rebukes and corrections to be received in this spirit of Universal Peace and Justice for all so God's truth is established among witnesses from every tribe and nation God has called to unite in Christ Jesus name. Amen.

Actually Jesus is the head of the congregation. Collosians 1:18)-- The JW leaders are the teachers Jesus himself appointed-Matthew 24:45-- Luke 10:16 is clear--Those who listen to his appointed teachers are listening to Jesus. And vica versa, those who refuse to listen to them are rejecting Jesus and his Father as well. I know 100% the JW teachers are those teachers Jesus appointed.

But you still do not see Jesus as divine on God's level.

If you focus on Jesus as the head of the teachings,
that is still the secular approach of focusing on the
laws by man's authority as structured.

Do you see Jesus as the actual EMBODIMENT of God's Authority of Law?

The WORD of God as in the Bible completely fulfilled in Christ Jesus?

From my understanding of what separates JW from Christians,
instead of teaching that Jesus is an Angel or teacher/example sent by God,
Jesus IS the Law incarnated so when we receive Jesus, we receive the Father.

There are lots of groups that teach their own local interpretation of the laws
and use their own hierarchical group authority that comes between the people and God.

Jefferson also taught and saw the Bible in terms of natural laws and wisdom
that Jesus taught as an example to follow. But did not believe in all the miracles,
similar to how JW do not believe in the spiritual healing in Christian prayer.

Gentiles under natural laws tend to stick to their own laws
"as established by OTHER authority"
and do not EMBODY and INVOKE Christ Jesus authority on their own.

 

[kjw47]

But you still do not see Jesus as divine on God's level.

If you focus on Jesus as the head of the teachings,
that is still the secular approach of focusing on the
laws by man's authority as structured.

Do you see Jesus as the actual EMBODIMENT of God's Authority of Law?

The WORD of God as in the Bible completely fulfilled in Christ Jesus?

From my understanding of what separates JW from Christians,
instead of teaching that Jesus is an Angel or teacher/example sent by God,
Jesus IS the Law incarnated so when we receive Jesus, we receive the Father.

There are lots of groups that teach their own local interpretation of the laws
and use their own hierarchical group authority that comes between the people and God.

Jefferson also taught and saw the Bible in terms of natural laws and wisdom
that Jesus taught as an example to follow. But did not believe in all the miracles,
similar to how JW do not believe in the spiritual healing in Christian prayer.

Gentiles under natural laws tend to stick to their own laws
"as established by OTHER authority"
and do not EMBODY and INVOKE Christ Jesus authority on their own.

Jesus teaches he has a God just like us-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--because he was created-Collosians 1:15 is clear about that. Twisting it does not alter reality.
The facts of Israelite God worship history and the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers all the way. There is no other backing.

 

[Cougarbear]

But you still do not see Jesus as divine on God's level.

If you focus on Jesus as the head of the teachings,
that is still the secular approach of focusing on the
laws by man's authority as structured.

Do you see Jesus as the actual EMBODIMENT of God's Authority of Law?

The WORD of God as in the Bible completely fulfilled in Christ Jesus?

From my understanding of what separates JW from Christians,
instead of teaching that Jesus is an Angel or teacher/example sent by God,
Jesus IS the Law incarnated so when we receive Jesus, we receive the Father.

There are lots of groups that teach their own local interpretation of the laws
and use their own hierarchical group authority that comes between the people and God.

Jefferson also taught and saw the Bible in terms of natural laws and wisdom
that Jesus taught as an example to follow. But did not believe in all the miracles,
similar to how JW do not believe in the spiritual healing in Christian prayer.

Gentiles under natural laws tend to stick to their own laws
"as established by OTHER authority"
and do not EMBODY and INVOKE Christ Jesus authority on their own.

That's because JW's don't see Jesus as "God the Son." I see what you are trying to do with introducing Jefferson into this. It does make sense connecting JW's as included in the Gentiles of today. However, other groups are Gentiles as well.
I'm not sure if you accept or reject the concept of Jesus coming back prior to his 2nd Coming and restoring his Church he established 2,000 years ago. The bible says these are the days of the restitution of all things. So, I'd agree with JW's that Christ's Church is here on the earth today. Just not JW's.

 

[emilynghiem]

Jesus teaches he has a God just like us-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--because he was created-Collosians 1:15 is clear about that. Twisting it does not alter reality.
The facts of Israelite God worship history and the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers all the way. There is no other backing.

Yes kjw47
You get the part of JOHN 10:29-30
Where Jesus affirms God the Father is greater than all.
What you and JW miss is where Jesus says the Father and I are one.

The Christian believers understand this means God's will, laws of Justice/Authority of Law or WORD is physically/spiritually EMBODIED/incarnated in Christ Jesus (so we can all receive the same by receiving/embodying Jesus).

If you/JW only receive Jesus "indirectly" through the authority of others who receive Jesus directly, that is what makes people/groups like the Secular Gentiles.

If you receive/embody Jesus and the Holy Spirit directly, that is what it means to become a Believer.

If you reject this concept that Jesus makes us one with God, then you and JW are still relying on Christians who do adopt Christ Jesus authority directly as the one Mediator between us and God.

 

[emilynghiem]

That's because JW's don't see Jesus as "God the Son." I see what you are trying to do with introducing Jefferson into this. It does make sense connecting JW's as included in the Gentiles of today. However, other groups are Gentiles as well.
I'm not sure if you accept or reject the concept of Jesus coming back prior to his 2nd Coming and restoring his Church he established 2,000 years ago. The bible says these are the days of the restitution of all things. So, I'd agree with JW's that Christ's Church is here on the earth today. Just not JW's.

Yes that is also my point Cougarbear
There are other people, including Buddhists and even Muslims following natural laws, who are part of the Gentiles.

If we can bridge this gap and communicate/connect in Christ with JW then the same process of reconciliation in Christ can also unite us with more Buddhists, Muslims, Constitutionalists and even party members divided left and right instead of focusing on agreement in Christ to establish God's will truth and justice.

Where the secular hierarchy may help us: for members of each group to ask our ELDERS for support to follow Matthew 18:15-20, then any complaints or trespasses and rebukes on false or confusing Teaching can be addressed and resolved praying in agreement in Christ Jesus to govern and receive corrections.

Are you in such a position with your fellow members or colleagues?

Can we pray and ask other members/elders to organize a team to address and resolve these issues of false or confusing teachings?

Thank you so much

I know some other teachers who might help us.

 

[kjw47]

Yes kjw47
You get the part of JOHN 10:29-30
Where Jesus affirms God the Father is greater than all.
What you and JW miss is where Jesus says the Father and I are one.

The Christian believers understand this means God's will, laws of Justice/Authority of Law or WORD is physically/spiritually EMBODIED/incarnated in Christ Jesus (so we can all receive the same by receiving/embodying Jesus).

If you/JW only receive Jesus "indirectly" through the authority of others who receive Jesus directly, that is what makes people/groups like the Secular Gentiles.

If you receive/embody Jesus and the Holy Spirit directly, that is what it means to become a Believer.

If you reject this concept that Jesus makes us one with God, then you and JW are still relying on Christians who do adopt Christ Jesus authority directly as the one Mediator between us and God.

Yes ONE in purpose-Living to do the Fathers will-John 5:30. He is his Fathers image-Coll 1:15--

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes that is also my point Cougarbear
There are other people, including Buddhists and even Muslims following natural laws, who are part of the Gentiles.

If we can bridge this gap and communicate/connect in Christ with JW then the same process of reconciliation in Christ can also unite us with more Buddhists, Muslims, Constitutionalists and even party members divided left and right instead of focusing on agreement in Christ to establish God's will truth and justice.

Where the secular hierarchy may help us: for members of each group to ask our ELDERS for support to follow Matthew 18:15-20, then any complaints or trespasses and rebukes on false or confusing Teaching can be addressed and resolved praying in agreement in Christ Jesus to govern and receive corrections.

Are you in such a position with your fellow members or colleagues?

Can we pray and ask other members/elders to organize a team to address and resolve these issues of false or confusing teachings?

Thank you so much

I know some other teachers who might help us.

I am a member of our area's ministerial association and have been for 14 years. We have Catholics, Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists and other faiths that have joined in on occasions. We try to not preach our individual doctrines but still communicate our faith and beliefs for the betterment of our local society. It can be done. However, most of the other Churches in town won't join us because they are hung up on believing that their way is the only way for our local society to be. We have tried.

I'm not sure I'd classify Buddhists as Gentiles. I'd put them in the heathen category. Muslims I'd classify as Hebrews. Abraham was Hebrew, not Jewish. Therefore, Israel and Ishmael are Hebrew and wouldn't be considered Gentile and definitely not naturalists.

 

[ninja007]

there is one God, the Father/Son/H.S. is one God. TRUINE God.

 

[Stann]

My post is 100% correct.

It's okay to believe so. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. GOD has always been all things to all people, even non-believers.

 

[GLASNOST]

there is one God, the Father/Son/H.S. is one God. TRUINE God.