Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels

[LittleNipper]

Luke was a greek physician who never met Jesus but wrote an important book of the New Testament anyway which describes "history"

The OP discovered Ehrman.

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.

That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.

Yes, the Zealots.

A Roman soldier threw a torch that set the temple ablaze (much to General Titus' chagrin), but the Zealots brought a fury to the war and to the moderate Jews that reverberated the strains of the Olivet Discourse loudly and clearly.

there is no such history----but your struggle to shoehorn that which you WISH into the poetic rhetoric of this or that bible passage is amusing.
The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church
sophistry used to justify the barbarity of the Romans.------I am really delighted with the
"OBVIOUS ANQUISH OF TITUS" at the conflagration
the destroyed the flammable parts of the Temple. Now I remember----he was so desperate to put the fire out that he ran desperately with a pail of water----what else did church lady tell you?

The church told me nothing.

The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church - huh? You're not telling me anything, either.

oh----you don't know. Church Doctrine----the stuff christian kids learn in Sunday School constitutes the
christian ethos. I grew up with it

I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure you did not grow up learning Josephus, Tacitus, and all the rest in a Sunday school.

Churches do not teach this stuff.

Of course not-----I learned sunday school stuff in sunday school-----like all about the wicked innkeeper who did not like Joseph and Mary so he did not give them a room------so poor little jesus was born in a stable. On the playground I learned that if I had not killed Jesus----he would still be alive. I learned about the Nuremburg laws from survivors and about
Canon law ----interestingly, from the details of SHARIAH LAW which at its base is nothing much more or less than a point by point copy of Canon law. I learned Shariah law from survivors. I did not READ about those issues until I was about 20

That is all quite lovely.

Luke was a follower and student of Paul, who was in turn a student of one the great Jewish teachers of the age. And re the first REvolt, there were four major factions, not just 'Zealots', also given in Johnson's summaries, and a faction or two that actually backed the Romans. Rosie must think Josephus and assorted Roman writers and Philo are illegal books that can't be sold to gentiles or something, another clue she was raised by crazy racist bigots.

you are very MUCH out of sync. If Paul ever had contact with Gamliel (for which there is no historic
evidence) -----it would have been in a time preceding
any interaction with Luke----for which there is no real
historic evidence. To be more realistic-----the putative relationship is an after thought of WISHFUL
THINKING by the sophist christians of the Constantine era. Gamliel taught in Jerusalem-----as to Paul in Jerusalem------history tells us------not much if at all

Luke was a greek physician who never met Jesus but wrote an important book of the New Testament anyway which describes "history"

The OP discovered Ehrman.

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.

That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.

Yes, the Zealots.

A Roman soldier threw a torch that set the temple ablaze (much to General Titus' chagrin), but the Zealots brought a fury to the war and to the moderate Jews that reverberated the strains of the Olivet Discourse loudly and clearly.

there is no such history----but your struggle to shoehorn that which you WISH into the poetic rhetoric of this or that bible passage is amusing.
The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church
sophistry used to justify the barbarity of the Romans.------I am really delighted with the
"OBVIOUS ANQUISH OF TITUS" at the conflagration
the destroyed the flammable parts of the Temple. Now I remember----he was so desperate to put the fire out that he ran desperately with a pail of water----what else did church lady tell you?

The church told me nothing.

The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church - huh? You're not telling me anything, either.

oh----you don't know. Church Doctrine----the stuff christian kids learn in Sunday School constitutes the
christian ethos. I grew up with it

I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure you did not grow up learning Josephus, Tacitus, and all the rest in a Sunday school.

Churches do not teach this stuff.

Of course not-----I learned sunday school stuff in sunday school-----like all about the wicked innkeeper who did not like Joseph and Mary so he did not give them a room------so poor little jesus was born in a stable. On the playground I learned that if I had not killed Jesus----he would still be alive. I learned about the Nuremburg laws from survivors and about
Canon law ----interestingly, from the details of SHARIAH LAW which at its base is nothing much more or less than a point by point copy of Canon law. I learned Shariah law from survivors. I did not READ about those issues until I was about 20

There was no room in the inn. There is no mention of an inn keeper in the Bible story. Jesus came to save that which was lost and be the final sacrificial lamb. HE had to give up HIS life. No one took it from HIM. You didn't kill Jesus; however, HE did come to die for your sins and my sins.

I referred to the NT and that which WASP and catholice kids learn in Sunday school

I never heard that the innkeeper was evil. If anything a clean manger with fresh straw was likely far more comfortable for Mary to give birth than a crowded inn and a cramped room.

I grew up in a town with lots of churches and a majority christian population and INTERESTINGLY half of those being protestant and the other half catholic. There was even a catholic school in the town ---grades K thru 8. Every year we got the CHRISTMAS PLAY----performed by the catholic school. The innkeeper was always presented as a STEREOTYPE JEW with black beard and Mary as a blond blue eyed angelic looking thing. In fact, in christian literature---later on---the INNKEEPER is also presented as some sort of selfish greedy bastard. Did you pass english lit classes in grammar school and high school?

I went to a public elementary school and a public high school. Neither presented the Nativity. The Community church I attended did present the Nativity; however, that was a combination of Bible reading and selected carols. And though I was once a wise man in a borrowed mens satin and velvet robe with a cardboard crown and sung with two other boys, "WE THREE KINGS", it was common knowledge from our Sunday School teacher that 3 gifts doesn't mean that there were three magi. So, for the most part our church tried to stay away from poetic license when it came to GOD's Word.

 

[Picaro]

your history is OFF-----Solomon had nothing to do with the second Temple. To what "racial purity laws" do you refer? To what "legalistic law" do you refer? In the entire course of Jewish history, jews never attacked the temple. I am fascinated with your use of the term "race". Can you define it as YOU use it. How about telling me about what are the different races amongst jews that show up in laws

Rosie now resorts to strawmen and posting drunk again. As for the racial purity laws that began to be generated under Ezra and the following few hundred years after the Return, they were quite detailed and extensive by around 150 B.C., enough to generate revolts and play a role in more than one faction, and especially alienated the Hellenized diaspora Jews. Paul Johnson's summaries on this period are excellent for a beginning point, and Joachim Jeremia's Jerusalem In The Time Of Jesus covers the economy and society of the city in detail, with an exhaustive footnoting and sourcing from entirely Jewish writings. Sometime in the future I will write some down for the Peanut Gallery to look up themselves. The '2nd Temple' was seen by most as just a scam by the priests to rob their fellow Jews and converts.

poor dingy insists that SOLOMON was a contemporary of Ezra and accuses ME of being drunk. The controversy incited by EZRA is no mystery as he IMAGINES it to be nor did it incite ANY violent revolt
at all. It incited HEATED DISCUSSION-----what else is new?------something jews have been doing for thousands of Years........and it had nothing to do with
RACE. The issue was the influence of foreign religious practices picked up along the way in the years of the Exile. An airhead name JEREMIA (not the real Jeremiah) wrote some idiot op-eds in support of holy roman empire sophistry

Good Lord, you can't keep people straight. If you are referring to me, please stop misquoting me.

lol We all look alike to chassidic bigots. And don't be surprised that there are lots of Jews who don't know their own history and have only been fed loads of anecdotal bullshit their entire lives from their equally ignorant and bigoted relatives.

 

[Picaro]

Luke was a greek physician who never met Jesus but wrote an important book of the New Testament anyway which describes "history"

The OP discovered Ehrman.

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.

That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.

Yes, the Zealots.

A Roman soldier threw a torch that set the temple ablaze (much to General Titus' chagrin), but the Zealots brought a fury to the war and to the moderate Jews that reverberated the strains of the Olivet Discourse loudly and clearly.

there is no such history----but your struggle to shoehorn that which you WISH into the poetic rhetoric of this or that bible passage is amusing.
The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church
sophistry used to justify the barbarity of the Romans.------I am really delighted with the
"OBVIOUS ANQUISH OF TITUS" at the conflagration
the destroyed the flammable parts of the Temple. Now I remember----he was so desperate to put the fire out that he ran desperately with a pail of water----what else did church lady tell you?

The church told me nothing.

The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church - huh? You're not telling me anything, either.

oh----you don't know. Church Doctrine----the stuff christian kids learn in Sunday School constitutes the
christian ethos. I grew up with it

I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure you did not grow up learning Josephus, Tacitus, and all the rest in a Sunday school.

Churches do not teach this stuff.

Of course not-----I learned sunday school stuff in sunday school-----like all about the wicked innkeeper who did not like Joseph and Mary so he did not give them a room------so poor little jesus was born in a stable. On the playground I learned that if I had not killed Jesus----he would still be alive. I learned about the Nuremburg laws from survivors and about
Canon law ----interestingly, from the details of SHARIAH LAW which at its base is nothing much more or less than a point by point copy of Canon law. I learned Shariah law from survivors. I did not READ about those issues until I was about 20

That is all quite lovely.

Luke was a follower and student of Paul, who was in turn a student of one the great Jewish teachers of the age. And re the first REvolt, there were four major factions, not just 'Zealots', also given in Johnson's summaries, and a faction or two that actually backed the Romans. Rosie must think Josephus and assorted Roman writers and Philo are illegal books that can't be sold to gentiles or something, another clue she was raised by crazy racist bigots.

She's half a step away from nazi.

Actually she already went there some time back, don't remember where. She also doesn't know Jews burned lots and lots of books, depending on which faction or other got hold of the political power at any given time.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010

Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels

The New Testament contains multiple versions of the life and teachings of Jesus. Bart Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted,, says they are at odds with each other on important points regarding the life, death and divinity of Jesus.

www.npr.org

​

Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​

​

Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​

​

"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​

​

To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​

​

"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."​

​

Ehrman teaches religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His book, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible, is now out in paperback.​

​

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Every contradiction in both the old and new testaments are not hidden. They are obvious and intentional like a big red X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value is buried and hidden.


"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it buried it again......"


" I will give you treasures hidden in dark vaults, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who summons you by name.":

 

[abu afak]

Every contradiction in both the old and new testaments are not hidden. They are obvious and intentional like a big red X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value is buried and hidden.


"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it buried it again......"


" I will give you treasures hidden in dark vaults, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the LORD, the God of Israel, who summons you by name.":

They are intentional even though the NT books weren't chosen from a hundred 'gospels. a few hiundrd years later?
I don't think so.
Try again.
The book was not written as a coherent narrative, that's why it has contradictions.
`

 

[ding]

Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010

Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels

The New Testament contains multiple versions of the life and teachings of Jesus. Bart Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted,, says they are at odds with each other on important points regarding the life, death and divinity of Jesus.

www.npr.org

​

Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​

​

Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​

​

"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​

​

To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​

​

"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."​

​

Ehrman teaches religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His book, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible, is now out in paperback.​

​

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The biggest mistake Bart Ehrman made was attending Princeton Theological Seminary.

Princeton didn't always used to be that way.

 

[irosie91]

Princeton used to be SO FUNDAMENTALIST----that church attendance was mandatory

 

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[Taz]

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[hobelim]

They are intentional even though the NT books weren't chosen from a hundred 'gospels. a few hiundrd years later?
I don't think so.
Try again.
The book was not written as a coherent narrative, that's why it has contradictions.
`

You are missing the point.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

 

[abu afak]

You are missing the point.

"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

Circular Reasoning
CIRCULAR REASONING
circulus in demonstrando
......
Description: A type of reasoning in which the proposition is supported by the premises, which is supported by the proposition, creating a Circle in reasoning where NO Useful information is being shared.
This Fallacy is often quite Humorous.
......
Example #2:

The Bible is the Word of God because God tells us it is... in the Bible.
Explanation: This is a very serious circular argument on which many people base their entire lives.

This is like getting an e-mail from a Nigerian prince, offering to give you his billion dollar fortune -- but only after you wire him a “good will” offering of $50,000.
Of course, you are skeptical until you read the final line in the e-mail that reads “I, prince Nubadola, assure you that this is my message, and it is legitimate.
You can trust this e-mail and any others that come from me.”
Now you know it is legitimate... because it says so in the e-mail.

`

 

[hobelim]

You are missing the point.

"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things, but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

Circular Reasoning
CIRCULAR REASONING
circulus in demonstrando
......
Description: A type of reasoning in which the proposition is supported by the premises, which is supported by the proposition, creating a Circle in reasoning where NO Useful information is being shared.
This Fallacy is often quite Humorous.
......
Example #2:

The Bible is the Word of God because God tells us it is... in the Bible.
Explanation: This is a very serious circular argument on which many people base their entire lives.

This is like getting an e-mail from a Nigerian prince, offering to give you his billion dollar fortune -- but only after you wire him a “good will” offering of $50,000.
Of course, you are skeptical until you read the final line in the e-mail that reads “I, prince Nubadola, assure you that this is my message, and it is legitimate.
You can trust this e-mail and any others that come from me.”
Now you know it is legitimate... because it says so in the e-mail.

`

lol...No, its nothing like that...

The fact is that the Hebrew scriptures were written using figures of speech, metaphors, analogies, homonyms, similes, hyperbole, etc., so that the teaching , the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, would remain hidden from irrational greedy violent and superstitious enemies, even among their own laity. The gospels were written in this same manner. It really didn't matter which of the thousands were lost or saved. Even if just one was preserved it doesn't matter. One was enough to curse the enemy. Still works like a charm.

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations."

Unless you are a creature whose mind has not been defiled and contaminated and can ruminate those secrets will remain forever above your grasp....

The firmament, basis, of heaven is the law that stretches out way above your head from horizon to horizon like a crystal clear vault.

That is not circular reasoning anymore than saying that there is a hidden teaching not directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used in every fairy tale..

You are just too lazy to think deeply enough to find it. If you do not look and look and keep on looking you will never find it.

The light has come into the world but the darkness has never mastered it. Perhaps it never will.

 

[surada]

There was no room in the inn. There is no mention of an inn keeper in the Bible story. Jesus came to save that which was lost and be the final sacrificial lamb. HE had to give up HIS life. No one took it from HIM. You didn't kill Jesus; however, HE did come to die for your sins and my sins.

I never heard any nonsense about the Innkeeper in Sunday school or anywhere else.

 

[irosie91]

I don't know you, but I'm pretty sure you did not grow up learning Josephus, Tacitus, and all the rest in a Sunday school.

Churches do not teach this stuff.

Sunday school was your only source?

 

[irosie91]

I never heard any nonsense about the Innkeeper in Sunday school or anywhere else.

you must have missed lots of christmas plays

 

[surada]

you must have missed lots of christmas plays

The Christmas story says NOTHING about the innkeeper.

Luke 2:7 says about Mary giving birth to Jesus, "And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn" (New King James Version).

 

[irosie91]

The Christmas story says NOTHING about the innkeeper.

Luke 2:7 says about Mary giving birth to Jesus, "And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling clothes, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn" (New King James Version).

In the christmas story PLAYS presented in my public schools by the kids from the Catholic School EVERY YEAR-----the little plays include a scene in which a person dressed up as a very hostile jewish man opens a door to an "INN" and says "no room"
to Joseph and Mary. I have never seen a nativity
play that did not include that scene

 

[irosie91]

The church told me nothing.

The "zealots" vs "the moderate jews" is a church - huh? You're not telling me anything, either.

in the new testament and in christian tradition the
jewish "zealots" ---especially the Pharisees, are
presented as evil murderers and crooks

 

[norwegen]

in the new testament and in christian tradition the
jewish "zealots" ---especially the Pharisees, are
presented as evil murderers and crooks

Jesus selected one to join his company (Lk 6:15; Acts 1:13).