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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
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Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."​
Ehrman teaches religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His book, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible, is now out in paperback.
 
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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:
Hey don't knock Ehrman, he cured my insomnia.
I fell asleep after 5-8 minutes of his non substantial speech. I was hoping to hear how much of my work he borrowed from, but he went on and on about atheism vs agnosticism which is liken to the Goth vs Emo argument. Agnostics just arent as deep into atheism like Emos are just not as deep into Goth.:cool:
 

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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
John's Gospel is markedly different than the Gnostic Gospels, that's for sure. But what are some of the contradictions?​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."
In the Gnostic Gospels, Jesus teaches about himself, not in the first person but in the third, as the Son of Man.

Not as incessantly as John records it, to be sure, but then John was extremely close to Jesus.
 

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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
John's Gospel is markedly different than the Gnostic Gospels, that's for sure. But what are some of the contradictions?​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."
In the Gnostic Gospels, Jesus teaches about himself, not in the first person but in the third, as the Son of Man.

Not as incessantly as John records it, to be sure, but then John was extremely close to Jesus.
The NT reveals third person tense as well, but pastors and preachers pretend not to understand past and future tenses nor singular plural or third person tense when selling their icon as the person he's speaking of third person tense to come in the future as "another person in his own new name".
Rev 1:13 Jesus isn't son of man, he's "like unto" son of man (in likeness/emulating/impostering).
Matthew reads specifically and is being taught by pastors that Jesus is saying seek first "his"(third person tense) kingdom, not saying "my"(first person tense) kingdom.
Which christ is this character used to form the compiled Jesus image & story, that is speaking of ANOTHER & Who's kingdom is this?
“War Scroll” (4Q471)
Where in verse XVII, it says, “God will send eternal bliss by the might of the Princely Angel of the "Kingdom of Michael". He will enlighten with joy the children of Israel.

Also Blessings scroll (1QSb=1Q28b)
V:20 "blessings of the Prince of the Congregation (Michael)
Renew him the covenant of the community, so he might "establish the kingdom of his people for ever", that he might judge the poor with righteousness & dispense Justice with equity to the oppressed.

So Jesus is made the one who he is speaking of by the zealots in the same way Rabbi Schneerson with such fervor taught about Moshiach third person tense and was made Moshiach by his student/followers. We learn by studying reflections/emulations/similar events to grasp how they occur or had in the past occured and watch for similar outcomes/mistakes etc.

More sources:
that son of Man will not be in the person of Jesus, but in a different incarnation involving a totally different human being LUKE 6:5, 9:26 , 9:55-56, 12:10 , 17:30 , 18:8, 22:69, John 3:13, Matthew 25:11-13, Mark 14:62
and Mathew20:28.
Lastly: that you'd come in his name saying HE was christ deceiving many even the elect.
 

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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."​
Ehrman teaches religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His book, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible, is now out in paperback.
The biggest mistake Bart Ehrman made was attending Princeton Theological Seminary.
 

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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
John's Gospel is markedly different than the Gnostic Gospels, that's for sure. But what are some of the contradictions?​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."
In the Gnostic Gospels, Jesus teaches about himself, not in the first person but in the third, as the Son of Man.

Not as incessantly as John records it, to be sure, but then John was extremely close to Jesus.
I meant the Synoptic Gospels. The Synoptic Gospels are different than John, not necessarily contradictory to it. In the Synoptic Gospels Jesus calls himself the Son of Man.
 

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March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
John's Gospel is markedly different than the Gnostic Gospels, that's for sure. But what are some of the contradictions?​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."
In the Gnostic Gospels, Jesus teaches about himself, not in the first person but in the third, as the Son of Man.

Not as incessantly as John records it, to be sure, but then John was extremely close to Jesus.

"son of man" shows up LOTS in the writings of the time. I am not at all sure WHAT IT MEANS.
JOHN is an unknown entity. It is likely that the stuff authored by JOHN was really authored by a whole bunch of different people who used JOHN as a pen name
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.
 
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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."​
Ehrman teaches religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His book, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible, is now out in paperback.

lol Ehrman clearly doesn't know squat. He doesn't even grasp basic stuff, like why there are separate Gospels to begin with. There are no 'contradictions', just morons with no clue reading what they don't understand.
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.
 

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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
John's Gospel is markedly different than the Gnostic Gospels, that's for sure. But what are some of the contradictions?​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."
In the Gnostic Gospels, Jesus teaches about himself, not in the first person but in the third, as the Son of Man.

Not as incessantly as John records it, to be sure, but then John was extremely close to Jesus.

"son of man" shows up LOTS in the writings of the time. I am not at all sure WHAT IT MEANS.
JOHN is an unknown entity. It is likely that the stuff authored by JOHN was really authored by a whole bunch of different people who used JOHN as a pen name
In the Son of Man we have humanity. In the Son of God we have divinity. The Israelites expected a man (of the house of David) to deliver them. It's a term Daniel used, and maybe a few other prophets.

I think the apostle John could well be the author of his own gospel. Jesus recruited a very young John to join his company, and at least one fragment of a copy of his gospel dates to as early as AD 100.

As to the Synoptic Gospels, who knows. I don't doubt that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were still alive when their gospels were penned, at any rate, or at least that those gospels were derived from their bodies of work.
 

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Jesus And The Hidden Contradictions Of The Gospels
March 12, 2010
Bible scholar Bart Ehrman began his studies at the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. Originally an evangelical Christian, Ehrman believed that the Bible was the inerrant word of God. But later, as a student at Princeton Theological Seminary, Ehrman started reading the Bible with a more historical approach and analyzing contradictions in the Gospels.​
Ehrman, the author of Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible (and Why We Don't Know About Them), tells Terry Gross that he discourages readers from "smash[ing] the four Gospels into one big Gospel and think[ing] that [they] get the true understanding."​
"When Matthew was writing, he didn't intend for somebody ... to interpret his Gospel in light of what some other author said. He had his own message," Ehrman says.​
To illustrate the differences between the Gospels, Ehrman offers opposing depictions of Jesus talking about himself. In the book of John, Jesus talks about himself and proclaims who he is, saying "I am the bread of life." Whereas in Mark, Jesus teaches principally about the coming kingdom and hardly ever mentions himself directly. These differences offer clues into the perspectives of the authors, and the eras in which they wrote their respective Gospels, according to Ehrman.​
"In Mark's Gospel, Jesus is not interested in teaching about himself. But when you read John's Gospel, that's virtually the only thing Jesus talks about is who he is, what his identity is, where he came from," Ehrman says. "This is completely unlike anything that you find in Mark or in Matthew and Luke. And historically it creates all sorts of problems, because if the historical Jesus actually went around saying that he was God, it's very hard to believe that Matthew, Mark and Luke left out that part — you know, as if that part wasn't important to mention. But in fact, they don't mention it. And so this view of the divinity of Jesus on his own lips is found only in our latest Gospel, the Gospel of John."​
Ehrman teaches religious studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. His book, Jesus, Interrupted: Revealing the Hidden Contradictions in the Bible, is now out in paperback.

lol Ehrman clearly doesn't know squat. He doesn't even grasp basic stuff, like why there are separate Gospels to begin with. There are no 'contradictions', just morons with no clue reading what they don't understand.
I read one of Ehrman's books some years ago (The Triumph of Christianity, I think it was called). To my mind, Ehrman grasped church history quite well, but it's a history that deviated radically from the Christianity of the primitive Christians.

Ehrman left the faith for the same reasons so many evangelicals leave it: God doesn't really answer their prayers, and they cannot make sense of the Scriptures.
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.
That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.
That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.
That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.

your history is OFF-----Solomon had nothing to do with the second Temple. To what "racial purity laws" do you refer? To what "legalistic law" do you refer? In the entire course of Jewish history, jews never attacked the temple. I am fascinated with your use of the term "race". Can you define it as YOU use it. How about telling me about what are the different races amongst jews that show up in laws
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.
That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.
Yes, the Zealots.

A Roman soldier threw a torch that set the temple ablaze (much to General Titus' chagrin), but the Zealots brought a fury to the war and to the moderate Jews that reverberated the strains of the Olivet Discourse loudly and clearly.
 

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The OP discovered Ehrman. :lol:

lol yes, it's funny how these trolls will read everything under the sun but the books themselves. They have no idea if Ehrman knows a thing, which is why I mentioned him in that thread a few days ago that sent this tard off on a Google Scholar binge.

Let's see what mentioning Walther Bauer and Elaine Pagels brings up among the deviants and loons; they're the main inventors of the 'Constantine rewrote everything' idiocy, hoping to make their discovery of some old 'Gospel Of Thomas' find they made in the deserts of Egypt and then tried to sell it as some Earth shaking event that overturned all we know about Jesus, puffing up their own careers. Pagels does indeed sell a lot of books, too , has quite a career peddling 'missing gospels' and babbling Gnostic nonsense to dope addled hippies and cranks.

I never read anything by "PAGELS" or "Bauer" I read the NT-----old ladies in my town handed the books out way back in the 50s, I did not have a whole lot of "material" to read. I was never a drug user. The silly crap which is so clearly a fraud in the NT was OBVIOUS to me before I knew the name
CONSTANTINE. I never read anything by anyone or suggested that CONSTANTINE rewrote it. I do not even know if Constantine was literate. I got my education in christianity in a very christian town and in churches were friendly, kindly christian mothers took me, along with their daughters to SUNDAY SCHOOL

lol after repeatedly being asked what Constantine rewrote, after claiming he invented the NT for years, Rosie now claims she never ran around claiming that. As for 'fraud', she should take a gander at a lot of that rabbinical nonsense some Jews try to pass off as 'Judaism' the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox are fond of peddling.

What people need to get out of their heads is that these cultists are 'The' Jews, when in real life they are only 'Some' Jews, and their rubbish has little or nothing to do with the pre-exilic Judaism of Moses and Isaiah and others; the Babylonian Jews alienated most Jews and drove them out of the sect long before the Romans came along. This cult was then reduced to just a small cult of ultra-racists among other factionsup to the revolt that destroyed the Temple and run by surviving Pharisees and rabbis after the revolts. The Temple didn't represent Judaism, nor does rebuilding it have anything to do with the original Jews. It merely served the self-interests of one group. It divided rather than unified.
That temple culture is gone, burned up in a fire, as Malachi prophesied (Mal 4:1), as well as others.

Josephus recalled the grand, unified vision of the prophets, that as for the temple, “God had for certain long ago doomed it to the fire.” (Wars 6.4.5)

That harlot Jerusalem no longer exists. The ancient city governed by a priesthood went up in smoke; the modern city governed by a parliament is entirely different and irrelevant to the biblical narrative.

It was a vanity of Solomon's, and the '2nd Temple' a monument to the egoes of the Returning exiles. They centralized the sect and left it vulnerable for just the fate it suffered, while alienating around 90% of the tribes with ridiculous 'racial purity' laws and legalistic rubbish. If Rome hadn't burned it down some faction of Jews themselves probably would have.

your history is OFF-----Solomon had nothing to do with the second Temple. To what "racial purity laws" do you refer? To what "legalistic law" do you refer? In the entire course of Jewish history, jews never attacked the temple. I am fascinated with your use of the term "race". Can you define it as YOU use it. How about telling me about what are the different races amongst jews that show up in laws
In that war between the Romans and the Jews raged a civil war between the Jews. Their temple culture was going to suffer one way or another, very likely by fire.

"But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire." (2 Pt 3:7)
 

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