Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

[Fishlore]

This thread has been one of the most interesting I have ever read on line. I thank the posters whose knowledge and courtesy are really models of what I think discussion boards should be.

There is also the angry sort whose post is intended as a contemptuous dismissal of the people who do not share his views about the historicity of religious tradition. In his anger he reveals the limitation of his understanding of the topic, which is more subtle than he seems to grasp. Discussion boards always have some folks like him. It's too bad.

Religious discussions such as this one attract angry deniers for personal not theological reasons. Personal experience, usually in childhood, seems to be what causes the angry response. I don't recall any similar raving about Snow White and the Seven Dwarves even though a number of key points in the story are clearly incompatible with modern science. Ho hum...

 

[Campbell]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

 

[GreatestIam]

This thread has been one of the most interesting I have ever read on line. I thank the posters whose knowledge and courtesy are really models of what I think discussion boards should be.

There is also the angry sort whose post is intended as a contemptuous dismissal of the people who do not share his views about the historicity of religious tradition. In his anger he reveals the limitation of his understanding of the topic, which is more subtle than he seems to grasp. Discussion boards always have some folks like him. It's too bad.

Religious discussions such as this one attract angry deniers for personal not theological reasons. Personal experience, usually in childhood, seems to be what causes the angry response. I don't recall any similar raving about Snow White and the Seven Dwarves even though a number of key points in the story are clearly incompatible with modern science. Ho hum...

Anger tends to pop up when posters know they have lost an argument or cannot form an argument to refute a premise.

All posters need to remember that often times we are not dealing with very intelligent posters. I myself often lose patience and get into languages and terms that I should refrain from using.

But hey, if you cannot take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

As to interesting threads, I try to focus on morals as with those, there can be an end game with a winner. When discussing other aspects of religion, like the reality of God, those threads just stall without ever getting an end game. Those are often straight verbal fights and not arguments or discussions.

What I do not like is how many Christians never really get into the morality other than saying that because their genocidal son murdering God did it, it must be moral.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

 

[Campbell]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

 

[emilynghiem]

Okay GreatestIam
Now we are also talking about different things when we mean God/Gods.

How about Divine for when Adam and Eve are Divine, and people reawaken their Divine spirit.

What word do you want to use for the
Apotheosis the Eternal Being of God with no beginning and no end.
do you want to use YHWH for that.

What word do you want to use for when people say Jesus was Divine, we are Divine
co-creators, etc.

If we use "God" in these different contexts, it is going to get confusing.

People can be Divine but we cannot be the YHWH infinite level, not even collectively all humanity is going to equal that level.

What terms do you suggest for these levels instead of people using God for both
and meaning different things? Thanks DL!

You do not read well at all.

"People can be Divine"

What person do you know who is divine?

You mentioned A & E but do you not find it strange that God would murder 2 divine people by neglect and locking away the tree of life?

Would you do that to two divine people?

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

You were saying that if people are Gods there is a meaning to that.
So I was saying use the term Divine if you want to express that so it isn't confusing with
the highest God.

Now, if you don't believe Adam Eve or people can be Gods then let's drop it.

People are body mind and spirit. So collectively where we agree in spirit we are one with God.
That's what I mean by the divine part of our being. The collective spiritual level.
That is where I believe Christ is the connection by conscience that unites all humanity as one.

If we are all one then we would not be killing each other.

You are giving new meanings to words that already have their own meaning and that is why we are talking past each other. Stop it.

Regards
DL

^ BINGO ^ x 1M
YES DEAR GreatestIam
the point of Christ is restore our ORIGINAL nature which is one with God.
Heavenly peace. to restore and be like children of God who would NOT be killing each other
but will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Paradise on earth. Lasting peace and justice for all.

Strange that you want to be one with a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Sounds quite insane. Oh well.

Regards
DL

^ Dear GreatestIam Why do you insist in framing God and Jesus that way?
Who or what brainwashed you into thinking this is the only thing it can mean?

Previously I had posted song poems that explain the "positive meaning intended" in Jesus is to overcome the cause of genocide NOT to promote it, but to BREAK the cycle of human sin and suffering. That's why Jesus or Yeshua is called the TREE OF LIFE (not death!)
* http://www.houstonprogressive.org / genocide.html
* http://www.isocracytx.net/copyrited/adam&eve.html
* http://www.houstonprogressive.org / repentance.html


I guess you see it the opposite way as I do
A. I blame the ANTICHRIST or corrupted false politicizing of religion for the genocides.
I credit Restorative Justice and Christ Jesus for representing the BREAK in the cycle of war and the and healing of generational destruction.
B. You blame CHRISTIANITY and RELIGION for war oppression genocide and brainwashing
yet you don't call your beliefs a RELIGION and credit whatever truth you are explaining as the answer

So if you line up the BAD things with the BAD things both you and I reject as BAD,
and you line up the RIGHT answers with the TRUTH that you agree is the right way,

THEN WE AGREE !!!

(the main place I see we disagree is the terms for what you call the true side and what you call the false corruption.
You seem to want everyone to use "Christianity and religion" to mean the FALSE teachings and brainwashing.
But some people like me use "Christianity" to mean TRUE CHARITY (and I use religion to mean the language for the laws that someone uses
so this language/law can either be used for good or bad)

Not everyone uses THE TERMS "Christianity/Religion" to mean the bad EVIL things you mean and see in it, GreatestIam

It is a shame you and I keep using words to mean the opposite of each other!

So many people are going to miss what you are trying to say and correct,
especially the people who would most benefit. But you insist on using words the opposite of what others mean, so such ppl are going to be confused, think you are trying to tell lies instead of truth, and are not going to understand what you are saying where you ARE trying to explain the truth.

Too bad, because you and I actually agree on 98%
and just get caught up in the symbols meaning the opposite things to you and me.

Thanks anyway, I still understand what you are saying
and sorry if you cannot see I actually agree with you on CONTENT!

 

[emilynghiem]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

Dear Campbell
Dr. Scott Peck also thought this stuff was delusional, but then he tried it on two schizophrenic patients
and actually got positive results. They were able to overcome demonic personalities and return to normal by following the steps
and stages just like the priests had prescribed. Read "Glimpses of the Devil" by Scott Peck where he changed his mind
after seeing it for himself that this healing method works.

Drs. Francis and Judith MacNutt have been applying and teaching similar spiritual healing and deliverance through their nonprofit outreach
for 30+ years without a single complaint of fraud or abuse because this method is natural, free and effective with no side effects and no rejection of science or medicine. In fact, a medical team studied the effect of spiritual healing in teams on RA patients and found positive results.
This couple has actually worked with people to heal of UNWELCOME sexual addictions and attractions including UNWANTED homosexual orientation.
SEE: http://www.christianhealingmin.org
How To Defeat Homosexual Activists 101 A Real Education
"Healing" by Dr. Francis MacNutt edition 1999 or later mentions the RA medical study where some patients were completely healed back to normal where they no longer needed pain medication

Unless you see someone go through this level of healing, it is almost impossible to imagine.
The main reason I get it, is I know someone with similar experience, 40 years of spiritual healing, so it's normal for me to hear of these things.
It's like dreams, if you didn't have dreams at night, and someone told you theirs, you would think they were making it up in their heads.
The spiritual level where the demons talk to people and take over their minds is like the dream state or level of mind.
I have one friend who says analog technology is getting sensitive enough to catch the sound waves that these demon voices make.
They are energy vibrations on a higher level or dimension, but cannot be detected unless you are very sensitive.
So some people can hear and see angels, demons and ghosts and auras, but others cannot. They vibrate at a higher frequency outside normal range.

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

You do not read well at all.

"People can be Divine"

What person do you know who is divine?

You mentioned A & E but do you not find it strange that God would murder 2 divine people by neglect and locking away the tree of life?

Would you do that to two divine people?

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

You were saying that if people are Gods there is a meaning to that.
So I was saying use the term Divine if you want to express that so it isn't confusing with
the highest God.

Now, if you don't believe Adam Eve or people can be Gods then let's drop it.

People are body mind and spirit. So collectively where we agree in spirit we are one with God.
That's what I mean by the divine part of our being. The collective spiritual level.
That is where I believe Christ is the connection by conscience that unites all humanity as one.

If we are all one then we would not be killing each other.

You are giving new meanings to words that already have their own meaning and that is why we are talking past each other. Stop it.

Regards
DL

^ BINGO ^ x 1M
YES DEAR GreatestIam
the point of Christ is restore our ORIGINAL nature which is one with God.
Heavenly peace. to restore and be like children of God who would NOT be killing each other
but will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Paradise on earth. Lasting peace and justice for all.

Strange that you want to be one with a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Sounds quite insane. Oh well.

Regards
DL

^ Dear GreatestIam Why do you insist in framing God and Jesus that way?
Who or what brainwashed you into thinking this is the only thing it can mean?

Previously I had posted song poems that explain the "positive meaning intended" in Jesus is to overcome the cause of genocide NOT to promote it, but to BREAK the cycle of human sin and suffering. That's why Jesus or Yeshua is called the TREE OF LIFE (not death!)
* http://www.houstonprogressive.org / genocide.html
* http://www.isocracytx.net/copyrited/adam&eve.html
* http://www.houstonprogressive.org / repentance.html


I guess you see it the opposite way as I do
A. I blame the ANTICHRIST or corrupted false politicizing of religion for the genocides.
I credit Restorative Justice and Christ Jesus for representing the BREAK in the cycle of war and the and healing of generational destruction.
B. You blame CHRISTIANITY and RELIGION for war oppression genocide and brainwashing
yet you don't call your beliefs a RELIGION and credit whatever truth you are explaining as the answer

So if you line up the BAD things with the BAD things both you and I reject as BAD,
and you line up the RIGHT answers with the TRUTH that you agree is the right way,

THEN WE AGREE !!!

(the main place I see we disagree is the terms for what you call the true side and what you call the false corruption.
You seem to want everyone to use "Christianity and religion" to mean the FALSE teachings and brainwashing.
But some people like me use "Christianity" to mean TRUE CHARITY (and I use religion to mean the language for the laws that someone uses
so this language/law can either be used for good or bad)

Not everyone uses THE TERMS "Christianity/Religion" to mean the bad EVIL things you mean and see in it, GreatestIam

It is a shame you and I keep using words to mean the opposite of each other!

So many people are going to miss what you are trying to say and correct,
especially the people who would most benefit. But you insist on using words the opposite of what others mean, so such ppl are going to be confused, think you are trying to tell lies instead of truth, and are not going to understand what you are saying where you ARE trying to explain the truth.

Too bad, because you and I actually agree on 98%
and just get caught up in the symbols meaning the opposite things to you and me.

Thanks anyway, I still understand what you are saying
and sorry if you cannot see I actually agree with you on CONTENT!

I see that you do not like my correct and truthful characterizing of your God, yet you do not refute any of it.

Rather hypocritical of you.

Your delusional hypocrisy and denial of facts is why we are talking past each other.

Regards
DL

 

[irosie91]

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

Calm yourself---- DL even Elizabeth the queen who swore to devote her life to the british people -----kinda lives it up. What do you want people to do-----starve
themselves and walk barefoot?

 

[Fishlore]

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

 

[irosie91]

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

so true-----no government has imposed the "DEPRIVATION" upon itself that the
very standard teachings of Jesus seem to demand..... even the communists lived
it up whilst starving the people of the country side-------even MAO did so. It is
not entirely clear just how skimpy were the living conditions of Jesus, himself, back
then. -----poverty to the point of starvation was rife in those days. At the time of Jesus-----the people who did the socialistic thing lived out in desert communities----
not really accomplishing anything but LIVING a monastic style of life THEMSELVES. It is possible that John the Baptist came from such a community but I (no expert me---but....) see no evidence that Jesus was an ESSENE.

 

[Fishlore]

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

so true-----no government has imposed the "DEPRIVATION" upon itself that the
very standard teachings of Jesus seem to demand..... even the communists lived
it up whilst starving the people of the country side-------even MAO did so. It is
not entirely clear just how skimpy were the living conditions of Jesus, himself, back
then. -----poverty to the point of starvation was rife in those days. At the time of Jesus-----the people who did the socialistic thing lived out in desert communities----
not really accomplishing anything but LIVING a monastic style of life THEMSELVES. It is possible that John the Baptist came from such a community but I (no expert me---but....) see no evidence that Jesus was an ESSENE.

I share your interest in the context of the Gospels and the search for the "historical Jesus." Whatever the facts are, and we still aren't totally clear on the issue, we do have the words of Jesus as recorded in the four Gospels. Those speeches are mostly in two categories. One contains statements about the nature of God, the identity of Jesus, his mission and how things are going to turn out. Scholars and theologians spend lifetimes analyzing these statements by Jesus and the more research and discovery that is done, the more complicated the matters seem.

The other set of sayings by Jesus is completely different. These pithy, beautiful parables, homilies and analogies that speak very clearly about how each individual person should behave towards those around him/her. Their power and their beauty reminds me of the story of the lady who came up to G.K. Chesterton after one of his public lectures and told him, "Mr. Chesterton, Christianity has been tried and found wanting!"

"No, madam," Chesterton replied, "Christianity has been found difficult and not tried!" That sums it up for me. Like Buddha, Jesus preached for those who would follow him, a life of ascetic commitment beyond what almost everybody was willing to accept.

Eventually, the government (Roman Empire) turned the Hellenistic religion of Christianity into official doctrine, but nobody seriously thought that the Emperor on anyone else for that matter was going to "sell all you have, give it to the poor and come follow me." It's still a great idea and it is still way over the heads of 99% of people. Amen

 

[emilynghiem]

Anybody who believes a 2000 year old yarn woven by ancient sheep herders and camel drivers really needs to get a life. Jesus!!!!

A ghost floating on a cloud meeting a bunch of followers in the air to escort them through pearly gates to an exclusive community.

The 2/3 - 3/4 who are sinners burning eternally in a lake of fire and brimstone.

A flood which covered the earth to a depth of five miles then evaporated within a few weeks....not to mention two of each species on the face of the earth on a home made boat.

Big fish puking up live men.

Seas separating for the good guys and drowning the bad guys chasing them.

Compound walls falling at the sound of a trumpet.

A human being turned into a pillar of salt in her tracks.

Men living through a 1200 degree furnace.

The earth standing still.

Ten commandments presented to one man by god in the form of a burning bush.

A man walking on water.

A god on earth feeding five thousand plus women and children who also ate with two fish and five loaves then gathering 12 baskets of leftovers.

Water turned into fine wine.

Lepers healed by touching them.

Selectively raising dead men.

Virgin birth.

Resurrection.

Come up with something new.....you've worn out that bullshit tale two or three times.

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

Dear GreatestIam
All people get selfish.
So all large groups of people get selfish.
Is this any surprise?

So you think God created man with free will,
that is clearly going to get selfish during the LEARNING CURVE,
just to "damn" us for being imperfect and selfishly biased.

What kind of God do you believe in DL?

The God I believe in is all knowing and all wise.
So if we have a learning curve, we are meant to finish it
successfully.

Not to be damned for it.
???

 

[emilynghiem]

You were saying that if people are Gods there is a meaning to that.
So I was saying use the term Divine if you want to express that so it isn't confusing with
the highest God.

Now, if you don't believe Adam Eve or people can be Gods then let's drop it.

People are body mind and spirit. So collectively where we agree in spirit we are one with God.
That's what I mean by the divine part of our being. The collective spiritual level.
That is where I believe Christ is the connection by conscience that unites all humanity as one.

If we are all one then we would not be killing each other.

You are giving new meanings to words that already have their own meaning and that is why we are talking past each other. Stop it.

Regards
DL

^ BINGO ^ x 1M
YES DEAR GreatestIam
the point of Christ is restore our ORIGINAL nature which is one with God.
Heavenly peace. to restore and be like children of God who would NOT be killing each other
but will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Paradise on earth. Lasting peace and justice for all.

Strange that you want to be one with a genocidal son murdering prick of a God.

Sounds quite insane. Oh well.

Regards
DL

^ Dear GreatestIam Why do you insist in framing God and Jesus that way?
Who or what brainwashed you into thinking this is the only thing it can mean?

Previously I had posted song poems that explain the "positive meaning intended" in Jesus is to overcome the cause of genocide NOT to promote it, but to BREAK the cycle of human sin and suffering. That's why Jesus or Yeshua is called the TREE OF LIFE (not death!)
* http://www.houstonprogressive.org / genocide.html
* http://www.isocracytx.net/copyrited/adam&eve.html
* http://www.houstonprogressive.org / repentance.html


I guess you see it the opposite way as I do
A. I blame the ANTICHRIST or corrupted false politicizing of religion for the genocides.
I credit Restorative Justice and Christ Jesus for representing the BREAK in the cycle of war and the and healing of generational destruction.
B. You blame CHRISTIANITY and RELIGION for war oppression genocide and brainwashing
yet you don't call your beliefs a RELIGION and credit whatever truth you are explaining as the answer

So if you line up the BAD things with the BAD things both you and I reject as BAD,
and you line up the RIGHT answers with the TRUTH that you agree is the right way,

THEN WE AGREE !!!

(the main place I see we disagree is the terms for what you call the true side and what you call the false corruption.
You seem to want everyone to use "Christianity and religion" to mean the FALSE teachings and brainwashing.
But some people like me use "Christianity" to mean TRUE CHARITY (and I use religion to mean the language for the laws that someone uses
so this language/law can either be used for good or bad)

Not everyone uses THE TERMS "Christianity/Religion" to mean the bad EVIL things you mean and see in it, GreatestIam

It is a shame you and I keep using words to mean the opposite of each other!

So many people are going to miss what you are trying to say and correct,
especially the people who would most benefit. But you insist on using words the opposite of what others mean, so such ppl are going to be confused, think you are trying to tell lies instead of truth, and are not going to understand what you are saying where you ARE trying to explain the truth.

Too bad, because you and I actually agree on 98%
and just get caught up in the symbols meaning the opposite things to you and me.

Thanks anyway, I still understand what you are saying
and sorry if you cannot see I actually agree with you on CONTENT!

I see that you do not like my correct and truthful characterizing of your God, yet you do not refute any of it.

Rather hypocritical of you.

Your delusional hypocrisy and denial of facts is why we are talking past each other.

Regards
DL

Hi GreatestIam
I am working 2 jobs to pay debts for charity I took on to save two distressed communities abused by govt corruption.

So I cannot answer right away.

Interesting addition, though
A. First you say God damns people for being selfishly imperfect
by the free will God gave us that takes generations to master and mature
B. Then because I am NOT selfish but have been working 2 jobs since 2008 to pay for charity, then you make assumptions about me
that aren't even true.
You assume I am not contesting what you say,
but in reality I am actually working all weekend
and taking a break to check and find this assumption of yours.

By your assumptions, all the people we never hear complain about being raped or murdered, must not have contested?

Just because you didn't hear their protests?
So the truth revolves around you and what you see and hear?

No wonder the world is such a mess.

The people doing the charity are too busy,
while people like you make wrongful assumptions like this
based on your limited knowledge and information. ????

 

[irosie91]

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

so true-----no government has imposed the "DEPRIVATION" upon itself that the
very standard teachings of Jesus seem to demand..... even the communists lived
it up whilst starving the people of the country side-------even MAO did so. It is
not entirely clear just how skimpy were the living conditions of Jesus, himself, back
then. -----poverty to the point of starvation was rife in those days. At the time of Jesus-----the people who did the socialistic thing lived out in desert communities----
not really accomplishing anything but LIVING a monastic style of life THEMSELVES. It is possible that John the Baptist came from such a community but I (no expert me---but....) see no evidence that Jesus was an ESSENE.

I share your interest in the context of the Gospels and the search for the "historical Jesus." Whatever the facts are, and we still aren't totally clear on the issue, we do have the words of Jesus as recorded in the four Gospels. Those speeches are mostly in two categories. One contains statements about the nature of God, the identity of Jesus, his mission and how things are going to turn out. Scholars and theologians spend lifetimes analyzing these statements by Jesus and the more research and discovery that is done, the more complicated the matters seem.

The other set of sayings by Jesus is completely different. These pithy, beautiful parables, homilies and analogies that speak very clearly about how each individual person should behave towards those around him/her. Their power and their beauty reminds me of the story of the lady who came up to G.K. Chesterton after one of his public lectures and told him, "Mr. Chesterton, Christianity has been tried and found wanting!"

"No, madam," Chesterton replied, "Christianity has been found difficult and not tried!" That sums it up for me. Like Buddha, Jesus preached for those who would follow him, a life of ascetic commitment beyond what almost everybody was willing to accept.

Eventually, the government (Roman Empire) turned the Hellenistic religion of Christianity into official doctrine, but nobody seriously thought that the Emperor on anyone else for that matter was going to "sell all you have, give it to the poor and come follow me." It's still a great idea and it is still way over the heads of 99% of people. Amen

almost---but not quite----Jesus touted (believe it or not) ---the standard Pharisee line------most of those monastics out there in the desert living communal and on the
edge lives ------derived from Pharisees who gave up on "city life" altogether as
being a situation inimical to the "pure" life. (groups like the essenes) I see no evidence on reading the NT---such as it is-----that Jesus actually, HIMSELF----went monastic. I do have a sense that John the Baptist was something like a COMMUTER. The apostles----and writers of the gospels were a heterogeneous lot who tended to put, each----a slightly different slant on what they either heard or read or believed.

 

[emilynghiem]

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

so true-----no government has imposed the "DEPRIVATION" upon itself that the
very standard teachings of Jesus seem to demand..... even the communists lived
it up whilst starving the people of the country side-------even MAO did so. It is
not entirely clear just how skimpy were the living conditions of Jesus, himself, back
then. -----poverty to the point of starvation was rife in those days. At the time of Jesus-----the people who did the socialistic thing lived out in desert communities----
not really accomplishing anything but LIVING a monastic style of life THEMSELVES. It is possible that John the Baptist came from such a community but I (no expert me---but....) see no evidence that Jesus was an ESSENE.

Dear irosie91 and Fishlore
Thank you also for your interesting input here on this thread.

What a progressive Christian pointed out to me just yesterday
was it takes a SECULAR govt to truly have religious freedom to practice faiths as intended.

His argument was (a) If these were forced by govt then whose faith would be endorsed? this would destroy the ability to practice
and (b) as a Muslim advocate with CAIR pointed out,
true faith has to by nature be FREELY chosen in order to be REAL.
if it is forced, it is not real faith, but fake. Clearly it cannot be real if it is forced.
That is why there is "no compulsion in religion" in order to practice it consistently

when applied to Christianity, this is saying the only way for people to learn to live freely and unselfishly
is to CHOOSE to do this. Not to have it forced by outside authority, or else that's not taking personal responsibility and choice of one's own actions.
That's relying on something or someone else to make moral decisions for you.

Now GreatestIam is worried that just because I or others here believe
Jesus means something good, it appears the assumption is we are "relying on some false teachings indoctrinated by others"
to come up with our decisions.

That's not true for me anyway; the understanding I received about God, Jesus and the Bible
did not come from any church or any teaching out there. In fact, I had to go out and search very hard
to find people who could explain or agree with a more universal understanding than what is being taught traditionally.

So that's why I explain Christ Jesus as Restorative Justice,
the Old Testament as living by the letter of the law (which even GreatestIam is contesting as oppressive and conflicted)
and the New Testament as living by the spirit of the law (which GreatestIam doesn't quite grasp due to being stuck in the OT and what's wrong
with that part of human history instead of focusing on the solutions in our future).

I don't go along with the "false indoctrinations which I agree with GreatestIam are abusive"

No govt can compel people to change their spiritual beliefs.
That has to be done by free will and reason, we choose to forgive what is blocking our minds
from understanding. The changes and reforms happen naturally.

then after we change how we want to do things, we can change how we use our
church, state, school, business and nonprofit structures and resources to implement change globally.

But this has to come from we the people first, by free will in order to be real and sustainable. Not top down change forced by govt, that isn't freely chosen so it won't work or last. That is not the role of govt. The contracts are supposed to reflect the consent of the governed, not dictate terms to people. That has never worked; because people have free will, we want the right to consent and dissent, and will form contracts based on that. That's just human nature.

Abusing govt to force people leads to oppression and war, until we better organize, educate and use resources to resolve problems and establish justice by democratic means that reflect the consent (ie free will / free choice) of the people affected. Not try to squash conflict by force, but resolve them peaceably so solutions are long lasting and effective.

We are meant to perfect our human nature to function in society in harmony.

Too bad GreatestIam keeps harping on the problems, and even accusing me of believing or promoting
problems instead of solutions. If we focused on solutions, I'd probably agree with GreatestIam to get rid of the false teachings we both seem to be against.

Thank you all for your comments that are very helpful. I will try to invite my friend to come join us on here!

 

[irosie91]

Emily------I do not agree with your conclusions regarding the "messages" of the OT----OR that which actually constituted the words of Jesus. I am cynical regarding
"words" reported by some of the persons called "apostles" and some putative
writers of the gospels (I am not suggesting that the OT fell from heaven either)
I did attend "sunday school" a bit as a child and grew up in a very Christian atmosphere-----both protestant and catholic and a touch of eastern Orthodox here
in the USA. I NEVER attended any formal "education" for kids in Judaism-----but
I did read the books. Thus I had more "education" the protestant way (meager as it was) than in Judaism. Your view of the OT is-------sunday school driven

 

[GreatestIam]

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

Calm yourself---- DL even Elizabeth the queen who swore to devote her life to the british people -----kinda lives it up. What do you want people to do-----starve
themselves and walk barefoot?

Religions are some of the largest world corporations and you think them giving a bit back to the poor is a harsh punishment.

I would laugh if you were not such a sad case.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

I agree. They took the good for themselves and not the good for the population.

Regards
DL