Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

[GreatestIam]

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

I sympathize with your frustration over the apparent hypocrisy of established Christian churches; in fairness, we ought to concede that the radical teachings of that rabbi from the Galilee called Jesus didn't make it into the Roman Empire's official religion. It isn't just giving to the poor either. Think of Jesus' words about turning the other cheek or not worrying about tomorrow's food and clothing. No government has ever put that kind of extreme vision into its official documents and never will.

so true-----no government has imposed the "DEPRIVATION" upon itself that the
very standard teachings of Jesus seem to demand..... even the communists lived
it up whilst starving the people of the country side-------even MAO did so. It is
not entirely clear just how skimpy were the living conditions of Jesus, himself, back
then. -----poverty to the point of starvation was rife in those days. At the time of Jesus-----the people who did the socialistic thing lived out in desert communities----
not really accomplishing anything but LIVING a monastic style of life THEMSELVES. It is possible that John the Baptist came from such a community but I (no expert me---but....) see no evidence that Jesus was an ESSENE.

There is no evidence that the Jesus of the bible ever even existed and is not just an archetypal good man. Christianity destroyed the credibility of Jesus being real with their water walking and miracles.

I agree with your view of the governments but also include religions.



Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

the group which included Jesus, 2000 years ago, was far from "camel drivers and sheepherders" (not that THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH BEING A CAMEL
DRIVER OR SHEEPHERDER) In fact,, as people who inhabit the earth,, IN
GENERAL,, at that time------and even now-----they were RELATIVELY SOPHISTICATED-------they were LITERATE which was rare at that time
on the planet earth-------and likely utterly absent in the pile from which you
were ULTIMATELY SPAWNED (not that illiteracy in itself is a SIN)

The book that the general group----(the people who developed the
Christian religion) is-----as literature goes at that time and since----
quite sophisticated to the point of being almost sublime. You are a
jerk. He who does not appreciate the ancient scriptural writings ----
is a REAL SCHMUCK

'Couple of things I know. They believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. That's quite enough for me.

You said believed in witches. If only your past term was accurate.



That is how dumb and retarded some Christians still are.

Regards
DL

Catholic Church law requires that every diocese has at least one specially-trained priest who can perform exorcisms. They still believe that stuff is real. Shucks....the whole tale is based on a ghost so why not?

They should get over that shit and give the money to needy and starving children. I think I read that more than 12,000 children die each day from malnutrition and starvation.

While a churches which are supposed to look to the poor spends lavishly on themselves.

God damned religions all.

Regards
DL

Dear GreatestIam
All people get selfish.
So all large groups of people get selfish.
Is this any surprise?

So you think God created man with free will,
that is clearly going to get selfish during the LEARNING CURVE,
just to "damn" us for being imperfect and selfishly biased.

What kind of God do you believe in DL?

The God I believe in is all knowing and all wise.
So if we have a learning curve, we are meant to finish it
successfully.

Not to be damned for it.
???

Only fools believe in supernatural Gods.

I am a Gnostic Christian, yes, but our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

Gnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.

Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.

Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.

We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.

Regards
DL

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear GreatestIam
RE: God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with

That's good, we can agree on this.

I believe this is consistent with laws of nature and the universe.

Whatever might be called "supernatural" forces that come with collective energy,
the patterns of cause and effect, can be demonstrated by natural science and studies based on scientific method.

So whatever sickness comes from playing with witchcraft, sorcery voodoo and dark energy,
if this is true, then it can be shown by science, at least correlations even if causality still remains faith based.
Like theory of gravity can be shown to work consistently even if it remains faith based.
Or patterns of dreaming occur in the brain, and can be shown by science to occur, but the contents of the dreams remains faith based.

And whatever healing comes from forgiving and removing the cause of addiction or abuse,
this effect can be shown to be a process and pattern using science.

If you are going back to the natural laws, and consider the teachings of Jesus connected more with that,
I believe that works, again, by including the cause/effect of "forgiveness/unforgiveness"
in with the natural laws that govern man and affect our conscience,
both individually and collective.

What I align with this God/Christ/HolySpirit is
the COLLECTIVE level of body/mind/spirit of man.
Ideally the individual level and collective level should be one in spirit.

So that is what religions can be used for -- to define the
LAWS or RELATIONS between individual man and whatever we call the
COLLECTIVE level of truth, will, laws etc. that God's law represent.
In secular terms Jesus would translate into Justice,
and as you and I both see in human history there are two sides
to this double edged sword -- the divide and conquer abuse of justice as Antichrist
that is fear based and coercive; the unifying and healing use of Justice with Mercy
which is the Christ Jesus I understand to be universal and positive, including all humanity in Salvation.
Restorative Justice is the opposite of the evils
you and I see as religion has been abused POLITICALLY for greed and control which is ANTICHRIST.

I agree that the true meaning and teachings of Jesus
fulfill the natural laws.

You may be one of the Righteous Gentiles who follows natural laws
and isn't into all the Scriptural authority and rebuke of the churched tribes, the Jewish Christian and Muslim
who try to incorporate God into the laws and live them religiously.

I am also more of the Gentiles/natural law tribe that uses the language of
nontheists, Buddhists, even Constitutionalists for secular laws of governing man's relations and equal justice.

I happen to have received the fuller understanding of Christ that the religious do under Scripture.
and use that as a second language to speak to fellow neighbors in Christ who respond to rebuke using that venue.

Likewise if people commit to Buddhist principles I use that language with them so we can reach agreement and help each other solve conflicts.
If people use Constitutional language, I find that extremely helpful to resolve political issues and abuses by spelling out the violations and grievances
using common terms.

So these religions these languages for the laws
can be used as a tool to communicate among neighbors of that tribe that responds
and follows that path. We can reach agreement this way, tribe by tribe,
and bring peace one situation at a time.

COLLECTIVELY this brings about the world peace or paradise/heaven on earth
so many religions prophecy. But in the natural world,
as you and I, this takes work in the real sense and is not some "supernatural God" changing it for us.

The only part that might seem "supernatural" is how forgiveness
and divine grace seems to transform people and relations into new beings and new life.
Bringing people from death to rebirth.
That might seem "supernatural" in a sense.

But again, if you follow the patterns of unforgiveness causing destruction and death, sickness and suffering,
while forgiveness brings healing and restoration,
it follows a natural law that can be quantified by science.

So that doesn't have to be supernatural but just a fact of life.

Thanks GreatestIam
I see no reason we should reject each other.
The natural laws are the second fold of the same flock
and Jesus governs both.

In honor of our friendship and future understanding
I hope this conversation leads to DL, I will dedicate
this song to you under the thread for song dedications:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org

I have been greatly outraged and aggrieved in the past how poorly
Christianity has been taught, and how dangerously and genocidally abused,
but the more I can forgive the easier it is to correct the misteachings.
So I hope forgiveness opens the door for you and others like us
who understand Jesus fulfilling the natural laws to share with others
and not run into this age old rejection that is dividing and destroying humanity.

May we come away from these discussions with a newfound sense
of wonder, appreciation and renewal from greater understanding of
God's laws. Thank you so much, and I hope this song speaks to you:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org
(A) "Tell the Tribes" to the tune of "Terrible Lies" by NIN

(B) SEE also: http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Second Coming (also sung to NIN):
.... The Jesus you know Is jealous and small-minded,
Judges by appearance
And not heart, mind and soul
The Jesus you know Is selfish and short-sighted
Rejects half His sheep In a separate fold

Jesus loves us all - I know
My own conscience tells me so
The truth was written there all along
Bless the churches who teach it all wrong

If we don't forgive what we were taught
The Lord will say He knew us not
We must forgive what we were taught
False prophets in the eyes of God

 

[GreatestIam]

Dear GreatestIam
RE: God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with

That's good, we can agree on this.

I believe this is consistent with laws of nature and the universe.

Whatever might be called "supernatural" forces that come with collective energy,
the patterns of cause and effect, can be demonstrated by natural science and studies based on scientific method.

So whatever sickness comes from playing with witchcraft, sorcery voodoo and dark energy,
if this is true, then it can be shown by science, at least correlations even if causality still remains faith based.
Like theory of gravity can be shown to work consistently even if it remains faith based.
Or patterns of dreaming occur in the brain, and can be shown by science to occur, but the contents of the dreams remains faith based.

And whatever healing comes from forgiving and removing the cause of addiction or abuse,
this effect can be shown to be a process and pattern using science.

If you are going back to the natural laws, and consider the teachings of Jesus connected more with that,
I believe that works, again, by including the cause/effect of "forgiveness/unforgiveness"
in with the natural laws that govern man and affect our conscience,
both individually and collective.

What I align with this God/Christ/HolySpirit is
the COLLECTIVE level of body/mind/spirit of man.
Ideally the individual level and collective level should be one in spirit.

So that is what religions can be used for -- to define the
LAWS or RELATIONS between individual man and whatever we call the
COLLECTIVE level of truth, will, laws etc. that God's law represent.
In secular terms Jesus would translate into Justice,
and as you and I both see in human history there are two sides
to this double edged sword -- the divide and conquer abuse of justice as Antichrist
that is fear based and coercive; the unifying and healing use of Justice with Mercy
which is the Christ Jesus I understand to be universal and positive, including all humanity in Salvation.
Restorative Justice is the opposite of the evils
you and I see as religion has been abused POLITICALLY for greed and control which is ANTICHRIST.

I agree that the true meaning and teachings of Jesus
fulfill the natural laws.

You may be one of the Righteous Gentiles who follows natural laws
and isn't into all the Scriptural authority and rebuke of the churched tribes, the Jewish Christian and Muslim
who try to incorporate God into the laws and live them religiously.

I am also more of the Gentiles/natural law tribe that uses the language of
nontheists, Buddhists, even Constitutionalists for secular laws of governing man's relations and equal justice.

I happen to have received the fuller understanding of Christ that the religious do under Scripture.
and use that as a second language to speak to fellow neighbors in Christ who respond to rebuke using that venue.

Likewise if people commit to Buddhist principles I use that language with them so we can reach agreement and help each other solve conflicts.
If people use Constitutional language, I find that extremely helpful to resolve political issues and abuses by spelling out the violations and grievances
using common terms.

So these religions these languages for the laws
can be used as a tool to communicate among neighbors of that tribe that responds
and follows that path. We can reach agreement this way, tribe by tribe,
and bring peace one situation at a time.

COLLECTIVELY this brings about the world peace or paradise/heaven on earth
so many religions prophecy. But in the natural world,
as you and I, this takes work in the real sense and is not some "supernatural God" changing it for us.

The only part that might seem "supernatural" is how forgiveness
and divine grace seems to transform people and relations into new beings and new life.
Bringing people from death to rebirth.
That might seem "supernatural" in a sense.

But again, if you follow the patterns of unforgiveness causing destruction and death, sickness and suffering,
while forgiveness brings healing and restoration,
it follows a natural law that can be quantified by science.

So that doesn't have to be supernatural but just a fact of life.

Thanks GreatestIam
I see no reason we should reject each other.
The natural laws are the second fold of the same flock
and Jesus governs both.

In honor of our friendship and future understanding
I hope this conversation leads to DL, I will dedicate
this song to you under the thread for song dedications:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org

I have been greatly outraged and aggrieved in the past how poorly
Christianity has been taught, and how dangerously and genocidally abused,
but the more I can forgive the easier it is to correct the misteachings.
So I hope forgiveness opens the door for you and others like us
who understand Jesus fulfilling the natural laws to share with others
and not run into this age old rejection that is dividing and destroying humanity.

May we come away from these discussions with a newfound sense
of wonder, appreciation and renewal from greater understanding of
God's laws. Thank you so much, and I hope this song speaks to you:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org
(A) "Tell the Tribes" to the tune of "Terrible Lies" by NIN

(B) SEE also: http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Second Coming (also sung to NIN):
.... The Jesus you know Is jealous and small-minded,
Judges by appearance
And not heart, mind and soul
The Jesus you know Is selfish and short-sighted
Rejects half His sheep In a separate fold

Jesus loves us all - I know
My own conscience tells me so
The truth was written there all along
Bless the churches who teach it all wrong

If we don't forgive what we were taught
The Lord will say He knew us not
We must forgive what we were taught
False prophets in the eyes of God

You said you learned about Christ but forget he was a Jew. He thought like a Jew and so should we in this case.


Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS


Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."


Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.


"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

You seem to think seeking God is all about Christ but are wrong.

It, like Jesus taught in that link, I gave you, says it is all about you.

You, unfortunately, make Jesus' words of no effect and make things worse for seekers thanks to your idol worship.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear GreatestIam
RE: God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with

That's good, we can agree on this.

I believe this is consistent with laws of nature and the universe.

Whatever might be called "supernatural" forces that come with collective energy,
the patterns of cause and effect, can be demonstrated by natural science and studies based on scientific method.

So whatever sickness comes from playing with witchcraft, sorcery voodoo and dark energy,
if this is true, then it can be shown by science, at least correlations even if causality still remains faith based.
Like theory of gravity can be shown to work consistently even if it remains faith based.
Or patterns of dreaming occur in the brain, and can be shown by science to occur, but the contents of the dreams remains faith based.

And whatever healing comes from forgiving and removing the cause of addiction or abuse,
this effect can be shown to be a process and pattern using science.

If you are going back to the natural laws, and consider the teachings of Jesus connected more with that,
I believe that works, again, by including the cause/effect of "forgiveness/unforgiveness"
in with the natural laws that govern man and affect our conscience,
both individually and collective.

What I align with this God/Christ/HolySpirit is
the COLLECTIVE level of body/mind/spirit of man.
Ideally the individual level and collective level should be one in spirit.

So that is what religions can be used for -- to define the
LAWS or RELATIONS between individual man and whatever we call the
COLLECTIVE level of truth, will, laws etc. that God's law represent.
In secular terms Jesus would translate into Justice,
and as you and I both see in human history there are two sides
to this double edged sword -- the divide and conquer abuse of justice as Antichrist
that is fear based and coercive; the unifying and healing use of Justice with Mercy
which is the Christ Jesus I understand to be universal and positive, including all humanity in Salvation.
Restorative Justice is the opposite of the evils
you and I see as religion has been abused POLITICALLY for greed and control which is ANTICHRIST.

I agree that the true meaning and teachings of Jesus
fulfill the natural laws.

You may be one of the Righteous Gentiles who follows natural laws
and isn't into all the Scriptural authority and rebuke of the churched tribes, the Jewish Christian and Muslim
who try to incorporate God into the laws and live them religiously.

I am also more of the Gentiles/natural law tribe that uses the language of
nontheists, Buddhists, even Constitutionalists for secular laws of governing man's relations and equal justice.

I happen to have received the fuller understanding of Christ that the religious do under Scripture.
and use that as a second language to speak to fellow neighbors in Christ who respond to rebuke using that venue.

Likewise if people commit to Buddhist principles I use that language with them so we can reach agreement and help each other solve conflicts.
If people use Constitutional language, I find that extremely helpful to resolve political issues and abuses by spelling out the violations and grievances
using common terms.

So these religions these languages for the laws
can be used as a tool to communicate among neighbors of that tribe that responds
and follows that path. We can reach agreement this way, tribe by tribe,
and bring peace one situation at a time.

COLLECTIVELY this brings about the world peace or paradise/heaven on earth
so many religions prophecy. But in the natural world,
as you and I, this takes work in the real sense and is not some "supernatural God" changing it for us.

The only part that might seem "supernatural" is how forgiveness
and divine grace seems to transform people and relations into new beings and new life.
Bringing people from death to rebirth.
That might seem "supernatural" in a sense.

But again, if you follow the patterns of unforgiveness causing destruction and death, sickness and suffering,
while forgiveness brings healing and restoration,
it follows a natural law that can be quantified by science.

So that doesn't have to be supernatural but just a fact of life.

Thanks GreatestIam
I see no reason we should reject each other.
The natural laws are the second fold of the same flock
and Jesus governs both.

In honor of our friendship and future understanding
I hope this conversation leads to DL, I will dedicate
this song to you under the thread for song dedications:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org

I have been greatly outraged and aggrieved in the past how poorly
Christianity has been taught, and how dangerously and genocidally abused,
but the more I can forgive the easier it is to correct the misteachings.
So I hope forgiveness opens the door for you and others like us
who understand Jesus fulfilling the natural laws to share with others
and not run into this age old rejection that is dividing and destroying humanity.

May we come away from these discussions with a newfound sense
of wonder, appreciation and renewal from greater understanding of
God's laws. Thank you so much, and I hope this song speaks to you:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org
(A) "Tell the Tribes" to the tune of "Terrible Lies" by NIN

(B) SEE also: http://www.houstonprogressive.org
Second Coming (also sung to NIN):
.... The Jesus you know Is jealous and small-minded,
Judges by appearance
And not heart, mind and soul
The Jesus you know Is selfish and short-sighted
Rejects half His sheep In a separate fold

Jesus loves us all - I know
My own conscience tells me so
The truth was written there all along
Bless the churches who teach it all wrong

If we don't forgive what we were taught
The Lord will say He knew us not
We must forgive what we were taught
False prophets in the eyes of God

You said you learned about Christ but forget he was a Jew. He thought like a Jew and so should we in this case.


Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS


Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."


Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.


"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

You seem to think seeking God is all about Christ but are wrong.

It, like Jesus taught in that link, I gave you, says it is all about you.

You, unfortunately, make Jesus' words of no effect and make things worse for seekers thanks to your idol worship.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

Dear DL GreatestIam
1. How does anything I say contradict if Jesus was a Jew or man or God or whatever.
Where is the contradiction I don't see it

2. RE: the Golden Rule are you okay with ALL THREE Commandments
a. to Love God with all our heart mind and soul
b. to Love our Neighbor as ourselves
c. to Love one another as Christ Jesus/God loves us
Do you agree the whole of the law, the laws and prophets hang on these commandments
plus the NEW Commandment Jesus gives us in John 13:34 that joins the Love of God with Love of Man as ONE.

3. Where did I say this:
"You seem to think seeking God is all about Christ but are wrong."
it's the other way around. All people seek to reconcile with the truth.
So all paths are going to organize as branches of the tree of humanity or tree life.

You assume I am saying "all animals are cats"
I am like saying "All cats are animals, all dogs are animals, all whales are animals"
The commonality in all these creatures is what makes them animals.

Why or where did you get that I was saying something that conflicts here?

I said I AGREE with you when you define God's way as the best ideal way or greatest good

Can't we focus on where we AGREE instead of
you taking something I said and trying to point out something conflicted?

 

[GreatestIam]

If I got anything wrong, apologies.

You are long winded and all over the place and I may have gotten something sideways.

Are you a believer or not.

Drop the length and just try normal writing instead of preaching.

You can form paragraphs. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Christ's sacrifice had nothing to do with Satan testing anything.
Jesus volunteered for the mission. It is the same act of love as a soldier taking a bullet for his brother. A mother shielding her child from an on coming car. A brother drowning to save his little sister. What is to be gained from that? 1. Your life was gained by the other's death. 2. A deeper understanding of love.

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

Christ's sacrifice had nothing to do with Satan testing anything.
Jesus volunteered for the mission. It is the same act of love as a soldier taking a bullet for his brother. A mother shielding her child from an on coming car. A brother drowning to save his little sister. What is to be gained from that? 1. Your life was gained by the other's death. 2. A deeper understanding of love.

Thanks for the usual thoughtless dogma.

You should really read your bible some time.

Jesus did not volunteer. He was chosen.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Now if you are not so pissed from being corrected that you are still willing to be educated further ------

Using your scenario, to make it fit the situation, you cannot have Jesus just taking a bullet from an enemy the way you have it. You have to show his own father shooting him.

You spoke of love. Explain that love.

Further, a human taking a bullet knows he will die and that is a real sacrifice.

Jesus would have known that he was not really going to die so that is not much of a sacrifice.

You need to recognize that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Justice is to punish the guilty so stop trying to escape justice.

Regards
DL

 

[irosie91]

RC's do not believe in Substitutionary Atonement.

Yes they do. That was drilled into me as a R C for many years.

Are you saying that they did not and do not believe that they need a savior?

Regards
DL

You don't know? Constantine,,,,,,,,<<such a bloody roman barbarian that there
are some Christian theologians who refuse to accept him as a Christian.....
or a "saint"

I didn't know Constantine was canonized by anyone. His story, as far as I remember, comes to us from Eusebius and doesn't present the guy as very spiritual. His various dreams and visions, including the famous cross in the sky, fit in much better with contemporary pagan beliefs than with the teachings of the Christian churches.

the eastern Orthodox canonized Constantine-----the man whose

it is not entirely clear to me that "James" is an historic figure in the minds of
all or most Christian scholars

That is very interesting. There are, as I am sure you know, several key references to James as a member of the inner circle of disciples and as the leader of the Jerusalem followers after the death of Jesus. Are the scholars you mention denying the accuracy of these passages, or what?

The scholarly evaluation of James refers to the account of james in the NT---which
seems to state that he was judged by the "SANHEDRIN" to be executed by stoning, --------at a time when Christian scholars INSIST that the Sanhedrin had
been deprived of the right to execute ANYONE by the ruling romans. My reading
of the NT however------deficient though it might be is that what it really says
is that James was stoned by something like a lynch mob. I cannot name names
for you

Josephus said James was killed in Jerusalem . You may be thinking of Steven who was stoned at the feet of Paul. Yes and right again, Romans ruled Jews could not execute as of 30 AD according to the jewish library and John:


John 18:31New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

31 At this, Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law.” The Jews answered him, “We do not have the right to execute anyone,”[a]

Rabban Simeon b. Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'" Instructive though this is, it is merely an academic discussion, the right of imposing capital punishment having been taken from the Sanhedrin by the Romans a century before, "40 years before the Destruction of the Temple" (Sanh. 41a; TJ, Sanh. 1:18a).

Capital Punishment | Jewish Virtual Library

right----according to the writings in the NT------and the accepted catholic partyline ----the REASON that the Sanhedrin did not execute Jesus in approximately 30 AD was because they did not have the POWER to do so. The ALTERNATE explanation is that they WOULD have executed him but were afraid to do so
because he was so "popular"------so they "forced" Pilate to do it. James----
according to the Catholic church was executed in 62 AD ----"by the Sanhedrin"----
which had no power to engage in executions by then. (James---not Stephen) Your source---penny dear----does
not support your conclusions or the claims of the catholic church. Your source
makes the claim that the Sanhedrin was not permitted to engage in execution by
30 AD and the standard party line is the reason that Jesus was not murdered
by "the jews" is because he was so popular with the general public that the
evil jooos were AFRAID to do it. Make up your minds. In fact----what is
a far more realistic conclusion based on reality is that the Romans wanted
DA JOOOOS to do it------but even the roman shill sadducees refused because
Jesus was not guilty of a crime warranting execution according to Jewish law.
The only way Pilate could get rid of him was by DOING IT HIMSELF

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

 

[Penelope]

Yes they do. That was drilled into me as a R C for many years.

Are you saying that they did not and do not believe that they need a savior?

Regards
DL

I didn't know Constantine was canonized by anyone. His story, as far as I remember, comes to us from Eusebius and doesn't present the guy as very spiritual. His various dreams and visions, including the famous cross in the sky, fit in much better with contemporary pagan beliefs than with the teachings of the Christian churches.

the eastern Orthodox canonized Constantine-----the man whose

That is very interesting. There are, as I am sure you know, several key references to James as a member of the inner circle of disciples and as the leader of the Jerusalem followers after the death of Jesus. Are the scholars you mention denying the accuracy of these passages, or what?

The scholarly evaluation of James refers to the account of james in the NT---which
seems to state that he was judged by the "SANHEDRIN" to be executed by stoning, --------at a time when Christian scholars INSIST that the Sanhedrin had
been deprived of the right to execute ANYONE by the ruling romans. My reading
of the NT however------deficient though it might be is that what it really says
is that James was stoned by something like a lynch mob. I cannot name names
for you

Josephus said James was killed in Jerusalem . You may be thinking of Steven who was stoned at the feet of Paul. Yes and right again, Romans ruled Jews could not execute as of 30 AD according to the jewish library and John:


John 18:31New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

31 At this, Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law.” The Jews answered him, “We do not have the right to execute anyone,”[a]

Rabban Simeon b. Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'" Instructive though this is, it is merely an academic discussion, the right of imposing capital punishment having been taken from the Sanhedrin by the Romans a century before, "40 years before the Destruction of the Temple" (Sanh. 41a; TJ, Sanh. 1:18a).

Capital Punishment | Jewish Virtual Library

right----according to the writings in the NT------and the accepted catholic partyline ----the REASON that the Sanhedrin did not execute Jesus in approximately 30 AD was because they did not have the POWER to do so. The ALTERNATE explanation is that they WOULD have executed him but were afraid to do so
because he was so "popular"------so they "forced" Pilate to do it. James----
according to the Catholic church was executed in 62 AD ----"by the Sanhedrin"----
which had no power to engage in executions by then. (James---not Stephen) Your source---penny dear----does
not support your conclusions or the claims of the catholic church. Your source
makes the claim that the Sanhedrin was not permitted to engage in execution by
30 AD and the standard party line is the reason that Jesus was not murdered
by "the jews" is because he was so popular with the general public that the
evil jooos were AFRAID to do it. Make up your minds. In fact----what is
a far more realistic conclusion based on reality is that the Romans wanted
DA JOOOOS to do it------but even the roman shill sadducees refused because
Jesus was not guilty of a crime warranting execution according to Jewish law.
The only way Pilate could get rid of him was by DOING IT HIMSELF

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

 

[irosie91]

the eastern Orthodox canonized Constantine-----the man whose
The scholarly evaluation of James refers to the account of james in the NT---which
seems to state that he was judged by the "SANHEDRIN" to be executed by stoning, --------at a time when Christian scholars INSIST that the Sanhedrin had
been deprived of the right to execute ANYONE by the ruling romans. My reading
of the NT however------deficient though it might be is that what it really says
is that James was stoned by something like a lynch mob. I cannot name names
for you

Josephus said James was killed in Jerusalem . You may be thinking of Steven who was stoned at the feet of Paul. Yes and right again, Romans ruled Jews could not execute as of 30 AD according to the jewish library and John:


John 18:31New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

31 At this, Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law.” The Jews answered him, “We do not have the right to execute anyone,”[a]

Rabban Simeon b. Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'" Instructive though this is, it is merely an academic discussion, the right of imposing capital punishment having been taken from the Sanhedrin by the Romans a century before, "40 years before the Destruction of the Temple" (Sanh. 41a; TJ, Sanh. 1:18a).

Capital Punishment | Jewish Virtual Library

right----according to the writings in the NT------and the accepted catholic partyline ----the REASON that the Sanhedrin did not execute Jesus in approximately 30 AD was because they did not have the POWER to do so. The ALTERNATE explanation is that they WOULD have executed him but were afraid to do so
because he was so "popular"------so they "forced" Pilate to do it. James----
according to the Catholic church was executed in 62 AD ----"by the Sanhedrin"----
which had no power to engage in executions by then. (James---not Stephen) Your source---penny dear----does
not support your conclusions or the claims of the catholic church. Your source
makes the claim that the Sanhedrin was not permitted to engage in execution by
30 AD and the standard party line is the reason that Jesus was not murdered
by "the jews" is because he was so popular with the general public that the
evil jooos were AFRAID to do it. Make up your minds. In fact----what is
a far more realistic conclusion based on reality is that the Romans wanted
DA JOOOOS to do it------but even the roman shill sadducees refused because
Jesus was not guilty of a crime warranting execution according to Jewish law.
The only way Pilate could get rid of him was by DOING IT HIMSELF

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

No------that was long ago when I was young -----only twice----but twice was
MORE THAN ENOUGH. Do you understand the concept of sampling in
statistics. A good way to know what "went on this Friday" in the mosque----
is ask any muslim. JUST evince an interest. It has always been easy for me
to evince an interest. I have encountered priests who were convinced that I was
fascinated with their theological discussions

 

[Penelope]

Josephus said James was killed in Jerusalem . You may be thinking of Steven who was stoned at the feet of Paul. Yes and right again, Romans ruled Jews could not execute as of 30 AD according to the jewish library and John:


John 18:31New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

31 At this, Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law.” The Jews answered him, “We do not have the right to execute anyone,”[a]

Rabban Simeon b. Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'" Instructive though this is, it is merely an academic discussion, the right of imposing capital punishment having been taken from the Sanhedrin by the Romans a century before, "40 years before the Destruction of the Temple" (Sanh. 41a; TJ, Sanh. 1:18a).

Capital Punishment | Jewish Virtual Library

right----according to the writings in the NT------and the accepted catholic partyline ----the REASON that the Sanhedrin did not execute Jesus in approximately 30 AD was because they did not have the POWER to do so. The ALTERNATE explanation is that they WOULD have executed him but were afraid to do so
because he was so "popular"------so they "forced" Pilate to do it. James----
according to the Catholic church was executed in 62 AD ----"by the Sanhedrin"----
which had no power to engage in executions by then. (James---not Stephen) Your source---penny dear----does
not support your conclusions or the claims of the catholic church. Your source
makes the claim that the Sanhedrin was not permitted to engage in execution by
30 AD and the standard party line is the reason that Jesus was not murdered
by "the jews" is because he was so popular with the general public that the
evil jooos were AFRAID to do it. Make up your minds. In fact----what is
a far more realistic conclusion based on reality is that the Romans wanted
DA JOOOOS to do it------but even the roman shill sadducees refused because
Jesus was not guilty of a crime warranting execution according to Jewish law.
The only way Pilate could get rid of him was by DOING IT HIMSELF

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

No------that was long ago when I was young -----only twice----but twice was
MORE THAN ENOUGH. Do you understand the concept of sampling in
statistics. A good way to know what "went on this Friday" in the mosque----
is ask any muslim. JUST evince an interest. It has always been easy for me
to evince an interest. I have encountered priests who were convinced that I was
fascinated with their theological discussions

I suspect your a closet Muslim.

 

[irosie91]

right----according to the writings in the NT------and the accepted catholic partyline ----the REASON that the Sanhedrin did not execute Jesus in approximately 30 AD was because they did not have the POWER to do so. The ALTERNATE explanation is that they WOULD have executed him but were afraid to do so
because he was so "popular"------so they "forced" Pilate to do it. James----
according to the Catholic church was executed in 62 AD ----"by the Sanhedrin"----
which had no power to engage in executions by then. (James---not Stephen) Your source---penny dear----does
not support your conclusions or the claims of the catholic church. Your source
makes the claim that the Sanhedrin was not permitted to engage in execution by
30 AD and the standard party line is the reason that Jesus was not murdered
by "the jews" is because he was so popular with the general public that the
evil jooos were AFRAID to do it. Make up your minds. In fact----what is
a far more realistic conclusion based on reality is that the Romans wanted
DA JOOOOS to do it------but even the roman shill sadducees refused because
Jesus was not guilty of a crime warranting execution according to Jewish law.
The only way Pilate could get rid of him was by DOING IT HIMSELF

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

No------that was long ago when I was young -----only twice----but twice was
MORE THAN ENOUGH. Do you understand the concept of sampling in
statistics. A good way to know what "went on this Friday" in the mosque----
is ask any muslim. JUST evince an interest. It has always been easy for me
to evince an interest. I have encountered priests who were convinced that I was
fascinated with their theological discussions

I suspect your a closet Muslim.

you seem to like to lay a red flag on your utter stupidity

 

[irosie91]

Jesus and his sacrifice are Satan’s test of man’s morality.

Justice is when the guilty is punished. Injustice is when the innocent is punished.

Jesus, if you accept him as your savior, is you punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

Most, perhaps all Christians believe the dogma that says that it is good to accept Jesus’s sacrifice.

That is exactly like saying that it is good to somehow gain from punishing an innocent man.

If you believe the Christian dogma of substitutionary atonement, then you pass Satan’s test and are ready for hell.

Are you ready?

Regards
DL

RC's do not believe in Substitutionary Atonement.

Yes they do. That was drilled into me as a R C for many years.

Are you saying that they did not and do not believe that they need a savior?

Regards
DL

why would "they know"??? ----they rely on a book written and edited by a
tyrannical murderer who just happened to be an apologist for all things roman---
like "lion lunch for fun and amusement" and barbaric exploitation of conquered
people and enslavement there of. -----and crucifixtion. The NT is an excellent
source-------for people who can manage to accept the fact that it did not fall from
heaven and just WHO wrote it and why-------EXCELLENT

Who is this tyrannical murderer??

You don't know? Constantine,,,,,,,,<<such a bloody roman barbarian that there
are some Christian theologians who refuse to accept him as a Christian.....
or a "saint"

I didn't know Constantine was canonized by anyone. His story, as far as I remember, comes to us from Eusebius and doesn't present the guy as very spiritual. His various dreams and visions, including the famous cross in the sky, fit in much better with contemporary pagan beliefs than with the teachings of the Christian churches.

the eastern Orthodox canonized Constantine-----the man whose

The long-standing consensus of scholars of all Christian denomination about the dates when the New Testament books were composed make it clear that Jesus was not a Christian He was a pious, radical Jew from Galilee who lived and died within the apocalyptic branch of Judaism. The neo-Platonic subtleties debated outside the Jerusalem community led by Jesus' brother, James, are a completely separate issue.

it is not entirely clear to me that "James" is an historic figure in the minds of
all or most Christian scholars

That is very interesting. There are, as I am sure you know, several key references to James as a member of the inner circle of disciples and as the leader of the Jerusalem followers after the death of Jesus. Are the scholars you mention denying the accuracy of these passages, or what?

The scholarly evaluation of James refers to the account of james in the NT---which
seems to state that he was judged by the "SANHEDRIN" to be executed by stoning, --------at a time when Christian scholars INSIST that the Sanhedrin had
been deprived of the right to execute ANYONE by the ruling romans. My reading
of the NT however------deficient though it might be is that what it really says
is that James was stoned by something like a lynch mob. I cannot name names
for you

Josephus said James was killed in Jerusalem . You may be thinking of Steven who was stoned at the feet of Paul. Yes and right again, Romans ruled Jews could not execute as of 30 AD according to the jewish library and John:


John 18:31New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

31 At this, Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves, and judge him according to your law.” The Jews answered him, “We do not have the right to execute anyone,”[a]

Rabban Simeon b. Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'" Instructive though this is, it is merely an academic discussion, the right of imposing capital punishment having been taken from the Sanhedrin by the Romans a century before, "40 years before the Destruction of the Temple" (Sanh. 41a; TJ, Sanh. 1:18a).

Capital Punishment | Jewish Virtual Library

did you make a point? In fact-----you have, simply, redflagged a few major
contradictions that somehow got into the NT under the aegis of the murdering dog----CONSTANTINE

 

[irosie91]

right----according to the writings in the NT------and the accepted catholic partyline ----the REASON that the Sanhedrin did not execute Jesus in approximately 30 AD was because they did not have the POWER to do so. The ALTERNATE explanation is that they WOULD have executed him but were afraid to do so
because he was so "popular"------so they "forced" Pilate to do it. James----
according to the Catholic church was executed in 62 AD ----"by the Sanhedrin"----
which had no power to engage in executions by then. (James---not Stephen) Your source---penny dear----does
not support your conclusions or the claims of the catholic church. Your source
makes the claim that the Sanhedrin was not permitted to engage in execution by
30 AD and the standard party line is the reason that Jesus was not murdered
by "the jews" is because he was so popular with the general public that the
evil jooos were AFRAID to do it. Make up your minds. In fact----what is
a far more realistic conclusion based on reality is that the Romans wanted
DA JOOOOS to do it------but even the roman shill sadducees refused because
Jesus was not guilty of a crime warranting execution according to Jewish law.
The only way Pilate could get rid of him was by DOING IT HIMSELF

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

No------that was long ago when I was young -----only twice----but twice was
MORE THAN ENOUGH. Do you understand the concept of sampling in
statistics. A good way to know what "went on this Friday" in the mosque----
is ask any muslim. JUST evince an interest. It has always been easy for me
to evince an interest. I have encountered priests who were convinced that I was
fascinated with their theological discussions

I suspect your a closet Muslim.

I know that you are a typical USA white trash Nazi ***** of the catholic persuasion.
I grew up in a town full of shit like you. Shit like you laughed as my very own Austrian cousins were being slaughtered in Auschwitz -----in fact, shit like
you LOUDLY asserted that black Africans were LUCKY to end up picking cotton
in the USA because ---IN EXCHANGE----they got "Christianity" (there were Lutherans and Methodists and Episcopalians ----who agreed-----I remember my sunday school days well-------I colored the lamb jesus held with the BROWN crayon---------somehow the "teacher" did not like that)

 

[Penelope]

The fascinating fact is that Jews don't give a sh!t about Jesus; just the behavior of his believers who won't leave us alone.

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

No------that was long ago when I was young -----only twice----but twice was
MORE THAN ENOUGH. Do you understand the concept of sampling in
statistics. A good way to know what "went on this Friday" in the mosque----
is ask any muslim. JUST evince an interest. It has always been easy for me
to evince an interest. I have encountered priests who were convinced that I was
fascinated with their theological discussions

I suspect your a closet Muslim.

I know that you are a typical USA white trash Nazi ***** of the catholic persuasion.
I grew up in a town full of shit like you. Shit like you laughed as my very own Austrian cousins were being slaughtered in Auschwitz -----in fact, shit like
you LOUDLY asserted that black Africans were LUCKY to end up picking cotton
in the USA because ---IN EXCHANGE----they got "Christianity" (there were Lutherans and Methodists and Episcopalians ----who agreed-----I remember my sunday school days well-------I colored the lamb jesus held with the BROWN crayon---------somehow the "teacher" did not like that)

Cry me a river. Give thanks and praise to the US veterans alive and dead that enabled Zionists to get the land of Palestine. No one came out victorious of WWII except the Zionist. Actually Shamir probably loved to see the Poles, yes Poles killed by the German army since as he said they drank anti sematic milk from their Mother's tits.

 

[irosie91]

so true Independent. During my life-----so eventful and such a delight, I have known lots and lots of Christians and lots and lots of Muslims----lots and lots-----and have either HEARD their discussions on religious issues-----discussed the topic with them AND visited their houses of worship. (BTW I also have known jews)
I have concluded based on that experience that both Christians and Muslims harbor the notion that JOOOOOOS are thinking about them and their religion all the
time. Sorry Christians and muslims--------NOPE. You could go to a synagogue
every day for 50 years and NEVER HEAR the word "Christian, muslim, jesus or
muhummad or koran" You cannot attend a mosque five times without hearing LOTS about DA PERVERTED BIBLE and-----DA DIRTY JOOOOOS and
DA LYINC CHRISTIANS and-----all the rest of the world ENEMEEEEEES OF
ISLAAAAAAM. ----------a very true statement **** jooos just want to be left alone***

Interesting, sounds like you attend a mosque fairly often.

No------that was long ago when I was young -----only twice----but twice was
MORE THAN ENOUGH. Do you understand the concept of sampling in
statistics. A good way to know what "went on this Friday" in the mosque----
is ask any muslim. JUST evince an interest. It has always been easy for me
to evince an interest. I have encountered priests who were convinced that I was
fascinated with their theological discussions

I suspect your a closet Muslim.

I know that you are a typical USA white trash Nazi ***** of the catholic persuasion.
I grew up in a town full of shit like you. Shit like you laughed as my very own Austrian cousins were being slaughtered in Auschwitz -----in fact, shit like
you LOUDLY asserted that black Africans were LUCKY to end up picking cotton
in the USA because ---IN EXCHANGE----they got "Christianity" (there were Lutherans and Methodists and Episcopalians ----who agreed-----I remember my sunday school days well-------I colored the lamb jesus held with the BROWN crayon---------somehow the "teacher" did not like that)

Cry me a river. Give thanks and praise to the US veterans alive and dead that enabled Zionists to get the land of Palestine. No one came out victorious of WWII except the Zionist. Actually Shamir probably loved to see the Poles, yes Poles killed by the German army since as he said they drank anti sematic milk from their Mother's tits.

roflmao-------".....shamir probably loved to see....." BEWARE----Penelope
claims she is a health care worker------she writes notes on the charts of real
patients that become parts of real persons' 'medical record' and is convinced that she can read minds.
I doubt that Penelope has ever met a POLE-------I have-------the very highly esteemed director of my PROFESSIONAL TRAINING PROGRAM was a pole------he was born there and attended the same high school as did THE POLISH POPE ---SAINT JOHN PAUL II He often spoke of the INTENSE ANTI SEMITISM
of the polish people--------the man---was----of course a CATHOLIC----very
ardently-----but nothing like Penelope.

Medical records can be dangerous ------people have been denied employment
based on stuff in medical records---------BEWARE of mind-readers like Penelope
who write in those charts. I have always been meticulous in that which I write---
in charts. Maimonides once wrote-----(translation---in sum and substance) "be careful of that which your write----some people believe anything WRITTEN"
If a patient tells me "I tried marijuana ONCE" I leave it out of the written
history----completely------who knows what slob will try to make an issue of it,
For those who do not know----AUSCHWITZ was in POLAND-----Penelope's
hero----adolf-----was concerned about that much barbarity before the eyes of
the GERMAN PEOPLE. People were shipped to Poland for extermination ---
to the DELIGHT OF PEOPLE LIKE PENELOPE