THat is the Rc view. Take or leave it. The Jews had Jesus killed. I have quoted you from ewtn. I think they should know!
Strange how you run and hide the moment I use the bible to refute your garbage.
Regards
DL
just for curiosity-----what are you calling "garbage" """greatest,"""? ie---what did
you refute?
The notion that Catholics , like all Christians, would reject the sacrifice of Jesus and not try to ride that scapegoat into heaven.
All who fly the cross want to ride Jesus into heaven.
As scriptures say, the whole world will be deceived by Satan. I modify that to the whole Christian world, by the immorality of substitutionary atonement in this case.
It is immoral yet all Christians think it moral.
Satan wins.
Regards
DL
Hi
GreatestIam From this message ^ I can see what you are saying is wrong.
Yes, it is wrong to think that you can just let Jesus' sacrifice "magically save you"
while not changing yourself, taking up the cross, and really incorporating the way of salvation.
You are right, that is the wrong way to think Jesus is some magic word or genie to get everyone off the hook.
We all still have to choose and use the path of forgiveness, correction and healing in Christ Jesus to complete the path. The plan is there, but walking the steps is a whole process, and it cannot be done "vicariously" by saying Jesus did it, so we can do "whatever" and ride on that.
The Baptists are still right, we are saved by Grace and faith in advance; without that we don't even have a path to follow, because we cannot even receive the map of God's will planned for us if we don't even agree and accept there is one. Once we accept it, God's will is going to be done, but we still follow the plans, we still go through all the motions and steps. The script of life doesn't just play out itself, we are the ones who play out the actions and scenes in the script or the map of God's will, plans and purpose for humanity to reach maturity and peace.
And the Catholics and others would be right if they are following the map in that spirit.
However, you are pointing out some people don't have the right spirit to begin with.
They are missing the point.
They think as long as the map is there, they are already saved, whether they follow it or not? They can follow PARTS of the map and that counts because the map will magically save them?
To save humanity, we all have to get on the same page on the map. We may have different parts to cover but we are supposed to be JOINED IN CHRIST.
So whatever part of the map you are seeing, where you can tell there are lost folks wandering in the wilderness, thinking they have it, we still need to put all our knowledge together and get this mapping down.
I finally ran into someone CLAIMING to be Roman Catholic who doesn't get the Bible.
Just follows the Pope on helping the poor as the one corner of the map that makes sense and is easier to do.
Just wants to follow God directly, but doesn't get if other Christians offer a rebuke or correction in Christ by scripture, and doesn't see how that has anything to do with establishing God's will and plans on the map.
I had never run into this before. I had run into stubborn fundamentalists who put the Bible before reason instead of reconciling the two. But here I found someone who believes in God and the Pope but not the Bible.
Does not understand how to love all neighbors equally in Christ, but just believes helping the poor is enough.
So this may be what you mean,
GreatestIam
I have no idea how to talk with such a person who doesn't get anything I am saying
Maybe you can explain.
My RC friend said not to depend on the Bible because of the Roman Empire and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Do you know what that refers to, what about these two things means rejecting the Bible?
Thanks and I hope you can explain more how this Catholic thing is being taught,
because this is the first time I've run into it. I was warned that Catholics focus on works,
but I never thought it meant this, that you can do whatever you want as long as you help the poor? What?
