Zone1 Jehovah is Jesus

Jesus Christ, Jehovah

 
Isaiah 43:3,11-12,14-15,25
3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.
14 Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.
15 I am the Lord, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Isaiah 45:15-19, 21-22
15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
 
Read post #10 again. If John 1:18 tells us that no man had seen God the Father at any time, then who was it that appeared to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses? According to Exodus 6:2-3, the God who appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was named Jehovah. If John 1:18 is correct and no man hath seen the Father, who then was it that appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob whose name was Jehovah?

New World Translation of John 1:18
No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.

New World Translation of Exodus 6:2-3
2  Then God said to Moses: I am Jehovah.
3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.
All know it was an angel representing Jehovah who appeared to Abraham.
 
Is it not possible that the Father may also be named Jehovah. Scripture is clear that Jesus is Jehovah but could not the Father also be named Jehovah? The Apostle Paul taught that it was Christ who was with the children of Israel during the exodus.

1 Corinthians 10:1–4
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Jesus is not Jehovah. Jehovah is the true God-Jesus is Gods son= not God, there is only 1 God. Your lack of true understanding--Jehovah accomplishes all things-THROUGH- his son Jesus.
 
Jesus is not Jehovah. Jehovah is the true God-Jesus is Gods son= not God, there is only 1 God. Your lack of true understanding--Jehovah accomplishes all things-THROUGH- his son Jesus.
You are absolutely right in that God the Father does accomplish a great deal through his Son Jesus. The Father had Jesus represent the godhead in the Old Testament by the name of Jehovah. Jesus is Jehovah and the Great I AM. As stated in post #22 above, the LORD God of the Old Testament was also the Savior and Redeemer. It is He that blots out our transgressions.
 
You are absolutely right in that God the Father does accomplish a great deal through his Son Jesus. The Father had Jesus represent the godhead in the Old Testament by the name of Jehovah. Jesus is Jehovah and the Great I AM. As stated in post #22 above, the LORD God of the Old Testament was also the Savior and Redeemer. It is He that blots out our transgressions.
There is no i am that i am translated from Hebrew to English in Gods OT--Its only found in error filled translations. This is 100% fact, its not to difficult to look up for self, It translates--i will be what i will be.
 
Your reasoning is impossible--No man has ever seen God--it was one representing God.
Exodus 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

God spoke directly to Moses and also appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty and his name was also Jehovah. No angel there. It was Jehovah, aka Jesus Christ. It wasn't God the Father since nobody had seen God the Father up until John wrote that no man had seen him in John 1:18. When Stephen was martyred, He claimed to have seen Jesus standing on the right hand of the Father. So I imagine that at that time someone did see the Father.

Acts 7:55-56
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Evidently John either wrote John 1:18 before Stephen had his experience or was unaware of him seeing the Father and the Son.
 
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There is no i am that i am translated from Hebrew to English in Gods OT--Its only found in error filled translations. This is 100% fact, its not to difficult to look up for self, It translates--i will be what i will be.
Here is Biblehub's translation of Exodus 3:14: Exodus 3:14 Interlinear: And God saith unto Moses, 'I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, 'Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.'

The word, "’eh·yeh" is translated as "I AM" : Hebrew Concordance: ’eh·yeh -- 43 Occurrences
 
Exodus 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

God spoke directly to Moses and also appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty and his name was also Jehovah. No angel there. It was Jehovah, aka Jesus Christ. It wasn't God the Father since nobody had seen God the Father up until John wrote that no man had seen him in John 1:18. When Stephen was martyred, He claimed to have seen Jesus standing on the right hand of the Father. So I imagine that at that time someone did see the Father.

Acts 7:55-56
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Evidently John either wrote John 1:18 before Stephen had his experience or was unaware of him seeing the Father and the Son.
Moses saw a bush.
 
Moses saw a bush.
Exodus 33:11,17-23
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

17 And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
 
Yeah, LDS think the God of the OT and Jesus of the NT are the same fellow.

That means when He prays to the Father in the NT, he is praying to himself.
 
I looked it up--i will be what i will be is correct.
From Exodus 3:14 | A website dedicated to the interpretation of Exodus 3:14 we have the following:

THE NAME OF GOD AS REVEALED IN EXODUS 3:14​

An explanation of its meaning​

K J Cronin​

Completing the Interpretation of Exodus 3:14
– The Meaning of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh​

Here is what we know so far. In the Textual Analysis of Exodus 3:13-15 in Part II of this paper I conclude that the Hebrew word ehyeh of Exodus 3:14b can be identified in its context as a Divine name, and because it is the first-person singular of the verb it can be identified as the name by which God is known to Himself; His Personal name. It is also the case that one of the only two universally accepted English translations of the Hebrew word ehyeh is ‘I am’. In the Textual Analysis I conclude that ‘I am’ is the only theologically acceptable translation of the ehyeh of Exodus 3:14b and, as confirmation of this, the Explanation of the Meaning of the Name identifies I AM as the name of God. Therefore, the Ehyeh of Exodus 3:14b is the Personal name of God and translates into English as I AM.

Having established this, all that remains in order to fully interpret the verse is to explain and translate the puzzling words of Exodus 3:14a; ehyeh asher ehyeh. This is certainly the greatest challenge in biblical interpretation. Indeed, it is no exaggeration to say that it is the greatest mystery in human history. What follows is my solution to it.

In Exodus 3:13 Moses asks God what he should say to the Israelites if they ask him for the name of the God who sent him to them. For the purpose of establishing how we would expect God to respond to this enquiry I would ask you to imagine yourself in an identical exchange but with you in the place of God. Imagine it is you who is sending Moses on a mission to the Israelites and that Moses is asking you what he should say to the Israelites if they ask him for the name of the one who sent him to them. The most natural and reasonable way to begin your response to his enquiry would be with a declaration of the name that you wanted Moses to relay to them. This would be most naturally and reasonably followed by your instruction to Moses that he was to inform the Israelites that the one who bears that name has sent him to them. Your response would therefore fall into two parts. The first part would be some form of self-identification employing the name that you wanted Moses to relay and the second would be your instruction to him that he was to respond to their question with that name. A self-identification is normally comprised of some form of self-address and a name and would normally take the form "My name is x" or "I am x". We will assume that you are of sufficient renown to employ the latter form of words; "I am x". If we now combine the two parts of your response, then you would most naturally and reasonably respond to Moses' question with: "I am x. Tell the Israelites that x has sent you to them".

Now consider the exchange that took place between God and Moses in Exodus 3:13-15. Moses has asked God what he should say to the Israelites if they ask him for the name of the God who sent him to them. According to the above analysis we would most naturally and reasonably expect God to begin his response to Moses with a Self-identification that would employ the Divine name that he was to reveal to the Israelites. This would be naturally and reasonably followed by God's instruction to Moses that he was to inform the Israelites that the God who bears that name has sent him to them. We have already identified two forms of self-identification that God might employ – "My name is x" and "I am x" - but in the Hebrew Bible God identifies Himself according to the latter form of words with "I am YHWH". Therefore if God were to identify Himself to Moses using His Personal name Ehyeh, we would most naturally and reasonably expect His response to Moses' enquiry to be: "I am Ehyeh. Tell the Israelites that Ehyeh has sent you to them".

However, the Divine Self-identification "I am YHWH" is rendered in Hebrew with a non-verbal clause employing the personal pronoun ani or anoki, meaning 'I', and the name YHWH but without the verb 'to be'. Examples of this are "ani YHWH" of Exodus 6:2 and "anoki YHWH" of Isaiah 43:11, both of which translate literally as "I YHWH" but are usually translated as "I am YHWH". If, therefore, this form of Self-identification was employed by God in declaring His Personal name Ehyeh, we could reasonably expect that declaration to take a corresponding form, i.e. 'ani Ehyeh' or 'anoki Ehyeh', but that is not what we find in Exodus 3:14. Therefore if God did commence His response to Moses with a Self-identification that employed His Personal name Ehyeh, then the words Ehyeh asher Ehyeh do not conform to the Hebrew construction that we would expect such a Divine Self-identification to take and so we still cannot account for the dual occurrence of ehyeh in ehyeh asher ehyeh.

However, with the assistance of the Explanation of the Meaning of the Name this puzzle can now be solved and its solution leads us to the recognition of what I believe to be the most profound and remarkable words ever written, words so uniquely remarkable that I believe they can only be attributed to the historic architect of Judaism; the man we know as Moses.

The solution to the puzzle that is Ehyeh asher Ehyeh is to be found in two key insights into the words of Exodus 3:14. The first is that in response to Moses' enquiry of Exodus 3:13, God first identifies Himself using His Personal name Ehyeh, as explained in the Textual Analysis of Exodus 3:13-15. The second is that Ehyeh asher Ehyeh is the Divine Self-identification when God identifies Himself using His Personal name Ehyeh instead of His proper name YHWH. The explanation for this is as follows:

A self-identification is normally comprised of some form of self-address and a name, such as “I am x” or “my name is x”.
A self-address is a statement born of self-reflection, the purpose and effect of which is to bring to awareness knowledge of the one doing the reflecting.
Because God is perfect His Self-reflection is perfect.
Therefore the Divine Self-reflection brings to God’s awareness the perfect knowledge that He has of His Personal existence.
Therefore on the occasion of God identifying Himself to Moses and revealing to him His Personal name Ehyeh/I AM, the Divine Self-reflection would have brought to God’s awareness the perfect knowledge that He has of His Personal existence.
The following conclusion ends Part 6 of the Explanation of the Meaning of the Name in Part II of this website: “‘I AM’ is the articulation in God of the knowledge He has of His Personal existence”.
Therefore,

On the occasion of God identifying Himself to Moses using His Personal name Ehyeh/I AM, the Self-awareness occasioned by the Divine Self-reflection would also have been articulated as Ehyeh/I AM.

The Divine Self-address is, or at least incorporates, the articulation of the Self-awareness occasioned by the Divine Self-reflection.

Therefore the Divine Self-address is, or at least incorporates, the word/s Ehyeh/I AM.

Because ehyeh is a complete form of self-address in Hebrew, there is no place for the asher in the Divine Self-address of Exodus 3:14a.

Therefore Ehyeh/I AM is the Divine Self-address when God identifies Himself using His Personal name Ehyeh/I AM.

As stated above, a self-identification is comprised of a self-address and a name and so the Divine Self-identification is comprised of the Divine Self-address and the Divine name. We have now established that the Divine Self-address is Ehyeh/I AM and that the Divine name is Ehyeh/I AM. We can therefore now confirm that the Divine Self-identification employing the Personal name of God Ehyeh ought to include the twofold declaration of the word Ehyeh that occurs in Ehyeh asher Ehyeh and we can thus confirm that Ehyeh asher Ehyeh is the Divine Self-identification when God identifies Himself using His Personal name Ehyeh instead of His proper name YHWH and so the second key insight is confirmed. Moreover we can confirm this even without translating the asher because it is inconceivable that there could be a second meaning being intentionally conveyed in the twofold Ehyeh of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh.

As to which of the two Ehyeh is the Self-address and which is the name, the answer is that they are identical and so they are both Self-address and name. However, if for any reason they are to be thought of as one or the other, for example in the writing of a paraphrase, then I would suggest thinking of the first Ehyeh as the Self-address and the second as the name because this is the word order of the most characteristic of biblical Divine Self-identifications, “ani/anoki YHWH”. How this might manifest in a paraphrase will be seen below.

As for the asher, it is described in the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon as a “sign of relation” (BDB, p.81), which is its precise function in Ehyeh asher Ehyeh. Its presence signals the existence of an unspecified relationship between the two Ehyeh of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh. Without the asher the two Ehyeh would appear to stand alone as merely independent declarations of the name Ehyeh. It is presumably for this reason that the asher is required between Self-address and name in Ehyeh asher Ehyeh and for this reason that the Divine Self-identification Ehyeh asher Ehyeh does not conform to the normal construction of self-identification that comprises only self-address and name.

Because it is generic, the asher has no exactly corresponding word in English (BDB, p.83) and so we must search instead for an English translation of the asher that fits the context. Having undertaken such a search I can identify only one translation that when emplaced in “I AM asher I AM” makes of it a recognisable Divine Self-identification. That translation is “is who”, yielding the words “I AM is who I AM”. However, this is a completely unattested translation of asher and, moreover, it does not preserve the purity of the idem-per-idem form of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh. I therefore do not accept this as the translation we seek and conclude that the nuance of meaning in the asher of Exodus 3:14a is untranslatable into English.

Which brings me to the translation of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh and first to the literal translation. Because the asher is untranslatable it makes most sense to retain it in the literal English translation of Exodus 3:14 where it will mean the same to the Hebrew reader as to the Hebrew non-reader who knows the grammatical purpose that it serves. I would therefore propose that Ehyeh asher Ehyeh should read as follows in literal English translation: “I AM asher I AM”. Alternatively, if Ehyeh asher Ehyeh is to be represented in paraphrase, then the most simple and most accurate such paraphrase is “I am I AM”, which corresponds to the Divine Self-identification “I am YHWH” and which I believe precisely articulates the meaning of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh.

With these translations, and equipped with a comprehensive understanding of why it is that Ehyeh asher Ehyeh translates in this way and what it means, I believe the puzzle that was Exodus 3:14 has now been solved. The words that God addresses to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15 in response to Moses’ enquiry of Exodus 3:13 can now be confidently understood as being equivalent to the following simple statement: “I am I AM. Tell the Israelites that I AM has sent you to them, and tell them also that they are henceforth to address Me and refer to Me by My proper name YHWH”.

In summary, therefore, the words Ehyeh asher Ehyeh of Exodus 3:14a are God’s Self-identification to Moses, just as they are understood in the Septuagint, and the absolute Ehyeh of Exodus 3:14b is the Personal name of God and translates into English as I AM. The two Ehyeh of Ehyeh asher Ehyeh are identical in meaning, as proposed by Maimonides and Sarna, but they have complementary functions within the Self-identification, as explained above.

And so to the final step on this exegetical journey, which is to write Exodus 3:14 in the three versions that I would propose.

First with Ehyeh asher Ehyeh in a partial but literal translation:

Then God said to Moses, “I AM asher I AM”.
And He said, “Thus you shall say to the Sons of Israel:‘I AM has sent me to you’”
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Second with Ehyeh asher Ehyeh translated in a paraphrase that corresponds to the Self-identification “I am YHWH”:

Then God said to Moses, “I am I AM”.
And He said, “Thus you shall say to the Sons of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you’”
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And finally, in the interests of complete clarity, with Ehyeh asher Ehyeh translated in a loose but universally recognisable paraphrase:

Then God said to Moses, “My name is I AM”.
And He said, “Thus you shall say to the Sons of Israel:‘I AM has sent me to you’”
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This video presents good evidence that Jehovah is Jesus:

About time to delete this humorous thread .

Sorry you got it all wrong but I told you that even the Essene monk made it absolutely clear he was not Jehovah, or Goddy Boy as we call him .

You surely do not want to call Jesus the Essene monk a liar ?
 
Yeah, LDS think the God of the OT and Jesus of the NT are the same fellow.

That means when He prays to the Father in the NT, he is praying to himself.
WRONG!!! Our very first article of faith states: 1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. We believe that these three are separate and distinct beings and persons. We believe that it was God the Eternal Father whom Jesus was praying to when he prayed.

However, you are correct that we believe that Jesus is Jehovah and the Great I AM. He was the God of the Old Testament and as post #22 shows Jesus became our Savior and Redeemer as stated in Isaiah. John 1:18 states:

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

This verse tells us that up until John states that no man hath seen God (the Father) and that the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, had declared him, nobody had seen God the Father. One must then ask who it was that appeared before Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty and Jehovah.

Exodus 6:2-3
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

If nobody had see the Father at that time, who was it that appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty and Jehovah? It was Jesus Christ. Jesus let the Jews know in no uncertain terms who he was when wondered how he could have seen Abraham:

John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The Jews were going to stone Jesus for claiming that he was I AM. Jesus is telling you that he is the Great I AM who is also known as God Almighty and Jehovah.
 
About time to delete this humorous thread .

Sorry you got it all wrong but I told you that even the Essene monk made it absolutely clear he was not Jehovah, or Goddy Boy as we call him .

You surely do not want to call Jesus the Essene monk a liar ?
where is your evidence?
 
WRONG!!! Our very first article of faith states: 1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. We believe that these three are separate and distinct beings and persons. We believe that it was God the Eternal Father whom Jesus was praying to when he prayed.

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Jesus prays to the Father of the OT, then he prays to Himself. None of the Elohim are lurking around, onefour1. Best be careful, young one. Elder Bednar does not like your kind messing with scripture.
 
Exodus 33:11,17-23
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

17 And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
Verse 200--Moses did not see his face.
 
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