Zone1 Hebrews 1:8 says Jesus is God

[Cougarbear]

Then why are you perpetuating what you don't go along with? Why go along with anything you don't believe? You have been caught in the act of adultery, infidelity to God. How is it you don't know the right course to take?

Damn.

You misunderstand when I say whether the Church teaches this or not. I'm simply saying this is my opinion and not the Church saying it. I don't speak for the Church like that. It just seems to make sense and if I look into it more I will find out the Church does teach this as well.

 

[Ace Nova]

It doesn't matter who was saying it. Paul was inspired or he received revelation to include this in his message. What's interesting is the people back in David's time knew also that Jehovah (Jesus) was God and has a God, God the Father. Paul knew this as well. Yet, seems like most Christians are doing everything they can to not accept the facts of the words. And, I would also have to reject that the people of Israel would call anyone but their God, God. Moses certainly would not allow it. Isaiah for sure!

There is nothing wrong with anything you posted.

Just be careful when posting statements such as, "God The Father was speaking himself...." and so forth - as written proof of God saying Jesus is this or that. The adversary can clearly see the inaccuracy and hold it against you - then the accuracy of your faith is questioned by something that could have easily been avoided.

Believe and through faith, understand that it is through the faith of his Apostles, his Church. his followers and by the grace of the Holy Spirit that the Lamb is The Son within the Holy Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - one God. The adversary can then only accuse you of being faithful but cannot deny the elements of your faith.

 

[Alter2Ego]

And, in verse 82 he says we are also all gods as well. Let me give you some of the light of Christ, we all descended from heaven as spirit children (angels) to receive an earthly physical body. So, yes, we are gods (angels). But, why "gods?" It's because we can return to Heavenly Father and receive or inherit all that he has. Just like Jesus Christ did. The other verses I and others have shared with you show that Jesus is God as well as Elohim the Father is God. Both have their own thrones and Jesus throne is at the right hand of the Father's throne. God's in purpose.

Cougarbear:

You've already been debunked by Hebrews 1:9 which was taken and quoted directly from Psalm 45:7.

"(9} You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.“ (Hebrews 1:9)

"{7} you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions;" (Psalm 45:7 -- English Standard Version)

That verse clearly says Jesus has a God. Since Jehovah the Father is Jesus' God, it means Jesus is subservient to Jehovah and therefore, Jesus cannot be in a trinity with Almighty God Jehovah where both Jesus and Jehovah are the same god. Deal with that.

Alter2Ego

 

[Ace Nova]

I'm a lousy note taker but I have notes I'll have to look at. He did make sure we understood that Baptism by the Holy Ghost (fire) is just as important as Baptism by water. That Baptism by the Holy Ghost is actually when the sins we have committed are forgiven. Also, their is a third part of the Atonement process for us and that is receiving the Sacraments weekly to continue the process of forgiveness and keeping our covenants we make at baptism with the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. He made a point to be careful and not make just the water baptism a memorable event for the person especially when they are child baptisms at age 8. We tend to do up the water baptism too much and he said that is false doctrine doing so. This is Elder David Bednar. A member of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles.

Interesting.

Did you know that the Nicene Creed speaks about Baptism?

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.



What do you think that means?

Catholics only receive one Baptism. When we are confirmed we are ANNOINTED with the Oil (Fire) of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Cougarbear]

Interesting.

Did you know that the Nicene Creed speaks about Baptism?

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.



What do you think that means?

Catholics only receive one Baptism. When we are confirmed we are ANNOINTED with the Oil (Fire) of the Holy Spirit.

I taught high school at a Catholic school for 16 years. I’m knowledgeable in the teachings of Catholicism.
The sentence preceding the one on baptism tells why the ordinance of both baptism by water and fire are done without power or authority. No apostles and prophets. Therefore, the church is in apostasy. Doesn’t mean everything they do and teach is bad. I enjoyed those 16 years. Great people. They will need to be baptized by water and fire by one with full true priesthood authority. Correct priesthood authority of the order of Aaron and Melchizedek.

 

[Ace Nova]

I taught high school at a Catholic school for 16 years. I’m knowledgeable in the teachings of Catholicism.
The sentence preceding the one on baptism tells why the ordinance of both baptism by water and fire are done without power or authority. No apostles and prophets. Therefore, the church is in apostasy. Doesn’t mean everything they do and teach is bad. I enjoyed those 16 years. Great people. They will need to be baptized by water and fire by one with full true priesthood authority. Correct priesthood authority of the order of Aaron and Melchizedek.

You seem to be pure in heart and come across as believing what you say - exceptional traits.

And I can totally understand how someone who taught in a Catholic High School would feel the way you do - I was not a fan of the Catholic High School I was forced to attend (or the Catholic Elementary and Middle Schools I was forced to attend).

My classmates were among the most racist, ignorant, pea brained bullies one could imagine. That said, despite my fellow knuckleheads, the faculty, the priests and lay people are among the better people I have met in my life.

If you - or any of your so called Apostles or leaders judge the Catholic Church as being in the state of Apostacy - you and your leaders will be Judged - by the same measure you judge the Church, you will be Judged.

Are you ready for judgement? Are your leaders ready to be Judged? Justice is here and unwavering.

I do not mean to make you uncomfortable - a person pure in heart, such as yourself, can easily be deceived by the Adversary - by the grace of the Holy Spirit we have the opportunity to fully understand one another.


As far as accusing the Catholic Church of Apostacy - Jesus answered this question best in John 10:

“Is it not written in your Law,
‘I said: You are gods’?

If those to whom
the word of God was addressed
are called ‘gods’
—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
;how can you say, ‘You blaspheme,’
to the one whom the Father has consecrated
and sent into the world
for saying, ‘I am the Son of God’?

“If I am not performing
the works of my Father,
then do not believe me.
However, if I am doing them,
then even if you do not believe me,
at least believe my works,
so that you may realize and understand
that the Father is in me
and I am in the Father.”


The Roman Catholic Church is the single most Charitable organization on Earth and has been since its inception. No other Church, Organization, Creed, or entity can claim otherwise.

Catholic Church: World’s biggest charitable organization

Some consider the Catholic Church as a spiritual institution founded for a spiritual purpose – and only that. And I recall Josef Stalin’s quip to French

usa.inquirer.net

The world’s biggest charity - Catholic Herald

No one helps the poor more than the Church. Here's the evidence

thecatholicherald.com

The Catholic Church is the Most Charitable Organization on Earth - The Libertarian Catholic

Amidst the countless challenges faced by humanity, the Catholic Church stands out as a shining beacon of charity and compassion. With a rich legacy rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Church has consistently demonstrated its commitment to serving... Continue Reading →

thelibertariancatholic.com

The Catholic Church is widely considered the largest charitable organization in the world. It operates a vast network of charitable missions, including schools, orphanages, hospitals, and clinics, all supporting a wide range of social needs.

Here's why it's considered the largest:

• Extensive Network:
  The Catholic Church has a global network of charitable organizations, from local parishes to international organizations.
  
  
• Wide Range of Services:
  The Church operates a vast array of services, including education, healthcare, social care, and disaster relief.
  
  
• • Significant Impact:
    The Church's charitable endeavors have a significant impact on the lives of millions worldwide, particularly in areas with limited state support.
    
  • Largest Non-Governmental Provider:
    The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental provider of education and medical services globally.
    
  • Centralized Operations:
    While the Catholic Church operates on a large scale, it also maintains centralized operations through the Vatican, allowing for efficient resource allocation and global coordination.

The Catholic Church is also the largest non-profit, non-governmental healthcare provider in the world.


Are you certain that the Church is in a state of Apostacy?



Child, you have been misled - from the truth within me - from the truth of the One and Only Holy Spirit who resides within me - I humbly ask you pray for those who have been deceived, for the less fortunate and for those whom the bullies of the world have taken advantage of.


As for your leaders - your Apostles - If they can refute anything written in this post - then they may be who they say they are - but since what is written in this post is irrefutable - The Spirit of Truth is unwavering and waiting - I will walk without hesitation into the Fire and into the Lions Den - will they do the same?

Lastly, you can explain to your Apostle that there is only ONE baptism - And who is he to lessen "The Baptism By Water"?

Jesus Christ himself was able to humble himself enough so that he would be baptized by water by his cousin, John The Baptist. Is your Apostle greater than Jesus?

This is the test - if he does not answer immediately, without hesitation and/or looks at you dismissively, without giving you the respect you deserve as a pupil - then maybe you should reconsider who or what he is to you. For this is what Jesus said:

Mark 7:

The Faith of a Gentile Woman.

He moved on from that place to the region of Tyre. He went into a house and did not want anyone to know he was there, but he was not able to avoid being recognized. ;Almost immediately, a woman whose daughter was possessed by an unclean spirit heard about him and hastened to fall down at his feet. The woman was a Gentile of Syrophoenician origin, and she begged him to drive the demon out of her daughter.

Jesus said to her, “Let the children be fed first. For it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” She replied, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs under the table eat the scraps from the children.” Then Jesus said to her, “For saying this, you may go. The demon has gone out of your daughter.” And when she returned home, she found the child lying in bed and the demon gone.

Jesus wanted to be left alone - but through the utmost humility and faith of stranger not known to them - a woman who could have been considered detestable - Jesus not only respects and acknowledges the woman - he grants her a miracle because of her faith and humility.

Would your leaders act the same way as Jesus in this passage? Would they be willing to accept a person - a Roman Catholic - without asking or condemning them - and grant them a miracle, as they would for their most beloved follower?

 

[luiza]

Jesus is God​

Completely denied by the Essene Monk himself .

See latest parchments from the new cave at Qumran . Written before the Church forgers published their Hoaxes

Bit a body blow for you Cultists .

 

[Ace Nova]

Jesus is God​

Completely denied by the Essene Monk himself .

See latest parchments from the new cave at Qumran . Written before the Church forgers published their Hoaxes

Bit a body blow for you Cultists .

Do tell what "his plan was".

I always like hearing about what should have been done or what I he will do.

(I love the fact that the video is orated by someone with an Indian accent - who is likely only doing it because it will feed his family for weeks. So for that - I applaud you.)

 

[Cougarbear]

You seem to be pure in heart and come across as believing what you say - exceptional traits.

And I can totally understand how someone who taught in a Catholic High School would feel the way you do - I was not a fan of the Catholic High School I was forced to attend (or the Catholic Elementary and Middle Schools I was forced to attend).

My classmates were among the most racist, ignorant, pea brained bullies one could imagine. That said, despite my fellow knuckleheads, the faculty, the priests and lay people are among the better people I have met in my life.

If you - or any of your so called Apostles or leaders judge the Catholic Church as being in the state of Apostacy - you and your leaders will be Judged - by the same measure you judge the Church, you will be Judged.

Are you ready for judgement? Are your leaders ready to be Judged? Justice is here and unwavering.

I do not mean to make you uncomfortable - a person pure in heart, such as yourself, can easily be deceived by the Adversary - by the grace of the Holy Spirit we have the opportunity to fully understand one another.


As far as accusing the Catholic Church of Apostacy - Jesus answered this question best in John 10:

“Is it not written in your Law,
‘I said: You are gods’?

If those to whom
the word of God was addressed
are called ‘gods’
—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
;how can you say, ‘You blaspheme,’
to the one whom the Father has consecrated
and sent into the world
for saying, ‘I am the Son of God’?

“If I am not performing
the works of my Father,
then do not believe me.
However, if I am doing them,
then even if you do not believe me,
at least believe my works,
so that you may realize and understand
that the Father is in me
and I am in the Father.”


The Roman Catholic Church is the single most Charitable organization on Earth and has been since its inception. No other Church, Organization, Creed, or entity can claim otherwise.

Catholic Church: World’s biggest charitable organization

Some consider the Catholic Church as a spiritual institution founded for a spiritual purpose – and only that. And I recall Josef Stalin’s quip to French

usa.inquirer.net

The world’s biggest charity - Catholic Herald

No one helps the poor more than the Church. Here's the evidence

thecatholicherald.com

The Catholic Church is the Most Charitable Organization on Earth - The Libertarian Catholic

Amidst the countless challenges faced by humanity, the Catholic Church stands out as a shining beacon of charity and compassion. With a rich legacy rooted in the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Church has consistently demonstrated its commitment to serving... Continue Reading →

thelibertariancatholic.com

The Catholic Church is widely considered the largest charitable organization in the world. It operates a vast network of charitable missions, including schools, orphanages, hospitals, and clinics, all supporting a wide range of social needs.

Here's why it's considered the largest:

• Extensive Network:
  The Catholic Church has a global network of charitable organizations, from local parishes to international organizations.
  
  
• Wide Range of Services:
  The Church operates a vast array of services, including education, healthcare, social care, and disaster relief.
  
  
• • Significant Impact:
    The Church's charitable endeavors have a significant impact on the lives of millions worldwide, particularly in areas with limited state support.
  • Largest Non-Governmental Provider:
    The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental provider of education and medical services globally.
  • Centralized Operations:
    While the Catholic Church operates on a large scale, it also maintains centralized operations through the Vatican, allowing for efficient resource allocation and global coordination.

The Catholic Church is also the largest non-profit, non-governmental healthcare provider in the world.


Are you certain that the Church is in a state of Apostacy?



Child, you have been misled - from the truth within me - from the truth of the One and Only Holy Spirit who resides within me - I humbly ask you pray for those who have been deceived, for the less fortunate and for those whom the bullies of the world have taken advantage of.


As for your leaders - your Apostles - If they can refute anything written in this post - then they may be who they say they are - but since what is written in this post is irrefutable - The Spirit of Truth is unwavering and waiting - I will walk without hesitation into the Fire and into the Lions Den - will they do the same?

Lastly, you can explain to your Apostle that there is only ONE baptism - And who is he to lessen "The Baptism By Water"?

Jesus Christ himself was able to humble himself enough so that he would be baptized by water by his cousin, John The Baptist. Is your Apostle greater than Jesus?

This is the test - if he does not answer immediately, without hesitation and/or looks at you dismissively, without giving you the respect you deserve as a pupil - then maybe you should reconsider who or what he is to you. For this is what Jesus said:

Mark 7:

The Faith of a Gentile Woman.

He moved on from that place to the region of Tyre. He went into a house and did not want anyone to know he was there, but he was not able to avoid being recognized. ;Almost immediately, a woman whose daughter was possessed by an unclean spirit heard about him and hastened to fall down at his feet. The woman was a Gentile of Syrophoenician origin, and she begged him to drive the demon out of her daughter.

Jesus said to her, “Let the children be fed first. For it is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” She replied, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs under the table eat the scraps from the children.” Then Jesus said to her, “For saying this, you may go. The demon has gone out of your daughter.” And when she returned home, she found the child lying in bed and the demon gone.

Jesus wanted to be left alone - but through the utmost humility and faith of stranger not known to them - a woman who could have been considered detestable - Jesus not only respects and acknowledges the woman - he grants her a miracle because of her faith and humility.

Would your leaders act the same way as Jesus in this passage? Would they be willing to accept a person - a Roman Catholic - without asking or condemning them - and grant them a miracle, as they would for their most beloved follower?

John 10:34 is used for many things. But, Jesus was referring to the people of David's time. So, the Jewish organizations are then the true churches, faith... No?

I thought the kids at the school were great kids as well. There's always knuckleheads anywhere. But, all in all, great young people. The administration were great as well. Treated me very well and with respect.

There was a Catholic Bishop who once spoke to a group of LDS people who said, we sometimes didn't appreciate the position we are in because it's either the apostolic succession from former times or the need for a restoration in these the latter days. Since Protestants came out from the RCC they cannot claim to be the Church of Jesus Christ if RCC is in apostasy. And, if the RCC is the Church of Jesus Christ then Protestants can't logically be the true church either.

Acts 3:21, states the heaven must receive Jesus until the times of restitution of all things. This indicates that Jesus presence is a temporary state, awaiting the time when everything will be restored. "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." Then, in verse 22 and important key about this restitution of all things time, "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up onto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you." WOW! At the time before Christ's 2nd Coming, a prophet like Moses will be called and raised up to bring forth the restitution of all things from former times like the Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthoods... Then, Verse 23 is in response to your warning, "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will NOT hear that PROPHET, shall be destroyed from among the people."

The Popes have continually stated they are not Apostles or Prophets. Thus, apostasy. If not, then nothing would have to be restored like the restitution of all things. Ephesians 4:11-14, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." It starts with prophets and apostles, not Pope, Cardinals...

I hope this all helps so that you can take some time to read up on this and ask questions. Maybe meet with our missionaries who are local to you. I already spend 16 years asking Catholics questions.

 

[Ace Nova]

John 10:34 is used for many things. But, Jesus was referring to the people of David's time. So, the Jewish organizations are then the true churches, faith... No?

I thought the kids at the school were great kids as well. There's always knuckleheads anywhere. But, all in all, great young people. The administration were great as well. Treated me very well and with respect.

There was a Catholic Bishop who once spoke to a group of LDS people who said, we sometimes didn't appreciate the position we are in because it's either the apostolic succession from former times or the need for a restoration in these the latter days. Since Protestants came out from the RCC they cannot claim to be the Church of Jesus Christ if RCC is in apostasy. And, if the RCC is the Church of Jesus Christ then Protestants can't logically be the true church either.

Acts 3:21, states the heaven must receive Jesus until the times of restitution of all things. This indicates that Jesus presence is a temporary state, awaiting the time when everything will be restored. "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." Then, in verse 22 and important key about this restitution of all things time, "For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up onto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you." WOW! At the time before Christ's 2nd Coming, a prophet like Moses will be called and raised up to bring forth the restitution of all things from former times like the Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthoods... Then, Verse 23 is in response to your warning, "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will NOT hear that PROPHET, shall be destroyed from among the people."

The Popes have continually stated they are not Apostles or Prophets. Thus, apostasy. If not, then nothing would have to be restored like the restitution of all things. Ephesians 4:11-14, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." It starts with prophets and apostles, not Pope, Cardinals...

I hope this all helps so that you can take some time to read up on this and ask questions. Maybe meet with our missionaries who are local to you. I already spend 16 years asking Catholics questions.

I respect the Church of The Latter Day Saints - and the members within it, who show good will to others.

That said - Acts 3:21 was speaking of Jesus Christ himself - not of "another prophet" that was to come later. When quoting scripture, it is paramount to quote the entire paragraph - or even more, if necessary. The vast majority of religious disputes throughout history - among almost all religions - is the quoting of a single line or phrase without context or history.

This is how Acts 3 reads:

17“Now I am aware, brethren, that you acted out of ignorance as did your rulers.
18 God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the Prophets, revealing that his Christ would suffer.
19 Repent, therefore, and be converted so that your sins may be wiped away,
20 that a time of refreshment may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, that is, Jesus.
21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for the universal restoration announced by God in ages past through his holy Prophets.
22 For Moses said,

‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me
from among your own people.
To him shall you listen
in whatever he tells you.
23. Everyone who refuses to listen to that prophet
will be cut off from the people.’
24. “Furthermore, all the Prophets who have spoken, from Samuel onward, predicted these days.

25. “You are the heirs of the Prophets and of the covenant that God made with your ancestors when he told Abraham, ‘And in your descendants all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26. When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you, to bless you by turning each one of you from your wicked ways.”

It is clear that the passage is referring to Jesus as the prophet who Moses spoke about.


Matthew 7:

False Prophets and True Disciples.

“Be on guard against false prophets who come to you disguised in sheep’s clothing, but who inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16. By their fruits you will know them. Does one pick grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17. In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but a rotten tree produces bad fruit. 18. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20. Thus, by their fruits you will know them.

21. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father. 22. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not perform many miracles in your name?’ 23. Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers!’

Here, Jesus teaches that both Prophets and Disciples would be recognized by doing the "will of his heavenly Father" not simply by "preaching, driving out demons or performing miracles"

What is the will of "The Heavenly Father"?

It is clear in Isaiah 58:

This rather is the type of fast that I wish:
to loosen the fetters of injustice,
to undo the thongs of the yoke,
to set free those who are oppressed
and to break every yoke,
7 to share your bread with the hungry
and to offer shelter to the homeless poor,
to clothe the naked when you behold them
and not turn your back on your own kin.
8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your wound will quickly be healed;
your righteousness will go before you,
and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.
9 Then, when you call, the Lord will answer;
you will cry out for help,
and he will say, “Here I am.”
If you cease to tolerate the yoke of oppression,
the pointing of fingers and malicious words,
10 if you offer your food to the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the afflicted,
then your light will rise in the darkness,
and your night will become like midday.




The faithful within the Catholic Church do not give themselves titles as "Apostles" out of humility and respect for the original Apostles - who sacrificed everything - including their lives - so that Jesus' message could live. That said, the Church as a whole is Apostolic and in a broader sense, someone sent on a mission could be considered an Apostle - but as I stated, most within the Church use that term specifically for the original followers of Jesus - out of respect and humility.

The word Pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.

Ask yourself this: What would Jesus - or his early Apostles - think about those who call themselves followers but only argue, create discord, judge, persecute and condemn one another over semantics and misunderstood teachings? Would they be those who Jesus recognizes? Or would they be those who Jesus spoke about when he said, "I never knew you."?

 

[Cougarbear]

I respect the Church of The Latter Day Saints - and the members within it, who show good will to others.

That said - Acts 3:21 was speaking of Jesus Christ himself - not of "another prophet" that was to come later. When quoting scripture, it is paramount to quote the entire paragraph - or even more, if necessary. The vast majority of religious disputes throughout history - among almost all religions - is the quoting of a single line or phrase without context or history.

This is how Acts 3 reads:

17“Now I am aware, brethren, that you acted out of ignorance as did your rulers.
18 God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the Prophets, revealing that his Christ would suffer.
19 Repent, therefore, and be converted so that your sins may be wiped away,
20 that a time of refreshment may come from the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, that is, Jesus.
21 He must remain in heaven until the time comes for the universal restoration announced by God in ages past through his holy Prophets.
22 For Moses said,

‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me
from among your own people.
To him shall you listen
in whatever he tells you.
23. Everyone who refuses to listen to that prophet
will be cut off from the people.’
24. “Furthermore, all the Prophets who have spoken, from Samuel onward, predicted these days.

25. “You are the heirs of the Prophets and of the covenant that God made with your ancestors when he told Abraham, ‘And in your descendants all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ 26. When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you, to bless you by turning each one of you from your wicked ways.”

It is clear that the passage is referring to Jesus as the prophet who Moses spoke about.


Matthew 7:

False Prophets and True Disciples.

“Be on guard against false prophets who come to you disguised in sheep’s clothing, but who inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16. By their fruits you will know them. Does one pick grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17. In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but a rotten tree produces bad fruit. 18. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20. Thus, by their fruits you will know them.

21. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father. 22. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not perform many miracles in your name?’ 23. Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers!’

Here, Jesus teaches that both Prophets and Disciples would be recognized by doing the "will of his heavenly Father" not simply by "preaching, driving out demons or performing miracles"

What is the will of "The Heavenly Father"?

It is clear in Isaiah 58:

This rather is the type of fast that I wish:
to loosen the fetters of injustice,
to undo the thongs of the yoke,
to set free those who are oppressed
and to break every yoke,
7 to share your bread with the hungry
and to offer shelter to the homeless poor,
to clothe the naked when you behold them
and not turn your back on your own kin.
8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your wound will quickly be healed;
your righteousness will go before you,
and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard.
9 Then, when you call, the Lord will answer;
you will cry out for help,
and he will say, “Here I am.”
If you cease to tolerate the yoke of oppression,
the pointing of fingers and malicious words,
10 if you offer your food to the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the afflicted,
then your light will rise in the darkness,
and your night will become like midday.




The faithful within the Catholic Church do not give themselves titles as "Apostles" out of humility and respect for the original Apostles - who sacrificed everything - including their lives - so that Jesus' message could live. That said, the Church as a whole is Apostolic and in a broader sense, someone sent on a mission could be considered an Apostle - but as I stated, most within the Church use that term specifically for the original followers of Jesus - out of respect and humility.

The word Pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.

Ask yourself this: What would Jesus - or his early Apostles - think about those who call themselves followers but only argue, create discord, judge, persecute and condemn one another over semantics and misunderstood teachings? Would they be those who Jesus recognizes? Or would they be those who Jesus spoke about when he said, "I never knew you."?

When you throw up gobs of information no one listens or reads it all. Just a hint. What you are missing is verse 21. The 1st coming of Christ was not a restoration. He wasn’t restoring anything. He came with the new and everlasting covenant. Before his 2nd coming will be a restoration and restitution of all things. The restoration from the apostasy of his church and all the doctrine and ordinances. Read it again.

 

[Ace Nova]

When you throw up gobs of information no one listens or reads it all. Just a hint. What you are missing is verse 21. The 1st coming of Christ was not a restoration. He wasn’t restoring anything. He came with the new and everlasting covenant. Before his 2nd coming will be a restoration and restitution of all things. The restoration from the apostasy of his church and all the doctrine and ordinances. Read it again.

Acts 21 was quoted. I'll quote it again: "He must remain in heaven until the time comes for the universal restoration announced by God in ages past through his holy Prophets"


The Prophets spoke about a "New Heaven and a New Earth" . They spoke of rebuilding of the Temple.

 

[Rigby5]

What is the point of anyone quoting the "Bible", when clearly the "Bible" was written by the Byzantines around 200 to 400 AD, by people who had no experience at all with what they wrote about?

 

[Cougarbear]

What is the point of anyone quoting the "Bible", when clearly the "Bible" was written by the Byzantines around 200 to 400 AD, by people who had no experience at all with what they wrote about?

Cause it wasn’t. It was written by the apostles and prophets. It was compiled by others.

 

[kjw47]

Acts 21 was quoted. I'll quote it again: "He must remain in heaven until the time comes for the universal restoration announced by God in ages past through his holy Prophets"


The Prophets spoke about a "New Heaven and a New Earth" . They spoke of rebuilding of the Temple.

Do you understand the new heaven and new Earth?

 

[hobelim]

Acts 21 was quoted. I'll quote it again: "He must remain in heaven until the time comes for the universal restoration announced by God in ages past through his holy Prophets"


The Prophets spoke about a "New Heaven and a New Earth" . They spoke of rebuilding of the Temple.

No, they spoke of the Messiah "making straight THE WAY of the Lord" and leading people to "the sanctuary of God" which, like Divine providence, can't be made by human hands. It was never about rebuilding a fancy schmancy temple, just like the laws of ritual slaughter are not about a glorified butcher ritually killing farm animals

This is what Moses meant by saying "After my death you will turn aside from THE WAY I taught you to follow [the law] and become utterly corrupted by defiling yourselves with the work of your hands."

 

[hobelim]

What is the point of anyone quoting the "Bible", when clearly the "Bible" was written by the Byzantines around 200 to 400 AD, by people who had no experience at all with what they wrote about?

Good question. If certain "religious people" weren't trying to legislate laws and perpetuate customs that reflect their perverse views of the world, everything from good and evil to human sexuality, it would be pointless.

Showing that they don't know what the **** they are talking about extirpates their false claim to moral authority exposing them as actors and lying frauds, liars, the least qualified to occupy positions that require the public trust. Places in religion and government, high and low, that they have usurped under the veil of being righteous.

 

[ding]

If certain "religious people" weren't trying to legislate laws and perpetuate customs that reflect their perverse views of the world, everything from good and evil to human sexuality, it would be pointless.

You mean like Leviticus 18:22?

 

[Ace Nova]

Good question. If certain "religious people" weren't trying to legislate laws and perpetuate customs that reflect their perverse views of the world, everything from good and evil to human sexuality, it would be pointless.

Showing that they don't know what the **** they are talking about extirpates their false claim to moral authority exposing them as actors and lying frauds, liars, the least qualified to occupy positions that require the public trust. Places in religion and government, high and low, that they have usurped under the veil of being righteous.

Or the fact that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to Scripture? You are pathetic.

 

[Ace Nova]

Good question. If certain "religious people" weren't trying to legislate laws and perpetuate customs that reflect their perverse views of the world, everything from good and evil to human sexuality, it would be pointless.

Showing that they don't know what the **** they are talking about extirpates their false claim to moral authority exposing them as actors and lying frauds, liars, the least qualified to occupy positions that require the public trust. Places in religion and government, high and low, that they have usurped under the veil of being righteous.

Many of them are - I do not disagree but for you - the worst of them all - to come here to lead the sheep astray - I spoke to you humbly when I said "You will not see me for a while"

Now here I AM.

This is the version you do not want to see but your utter nonsense, ignorance and stupidity has brought me to this point.

I AM here.