Zone1 It's December. Non-Believers, Put Your Kvetching Here:

[surada]

First I ever heard of Jesus being born in March.....Whoo! I'm really behind the curve on this one.

Lambing season in Palestine is 2 months earlier.

 

[1srelluc]

Lambing season in Palestine is 2 months earlier.

And, what's the significance?

I really have to plead ignorance on this one so asking for clarity.

 

[presonorek]

Lambing season in Palestine is 2 months earlier.

I don’t know what Lambing season is.

 

[Indeependent]

All the complaining about how Jesus was born in March, the Christmas tree is pagan and idolatry, half our traditions came from Yule and Solstice....whatever makes you feel better. I'm convinced you do this because 11 months of the year you all hate on Christianity, so then feel guilty taking part in the celebrations in December. You reconcile this by telling yourself it's "not really Christian".

Here's a little tip from Christians: celebrate it or not, we don't care. We don't generally go to Christmas events and grill people as to whether they're REALLY celebrating the Birth of Christ or just partaking in general merry-making. It's fine. Either way. It's fine.

But how about refrain from the REALLY impolite act of telling religious believers that the way they celebrate their holiday is wrong. Or if you can't refrain, kindly start doing that to Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Wiccans, etc too. We can't wait to see how THAT goes.

But if you really CANNOT refrain: just put all the usual December kvetching here. Also, all USMB members, when they start the kvetching in other threads, just refer them to this one. The general unbelievers December complaint thread.

The Jesus of the NT was born right before Sukkot.

 

[presonorek]

I don’t know about the origins of Christmas but I did find a detailed reenactment of Easter.

 

[Bezukhov]

Who really started The War On Christmas?
From the inimitable Mike Duncan and his podcast "Revolutions"
Episode 1.14a- Supplemental The War on Christmas

https://traffic.libsyn.com/revolutionspodcast/Supplemental-_The_War_on_Christmas.mp3

 

[hjmick]

If I choose to kvetch, I will kvetch wherever I damn please. You are not the boss of me.

 

[Meriweather]

Totally agree! You also can’t teach history without religion. Absolutely agree on the cultural appropriation bit. My beef with that is that almost everything could be construed as cultural appropriation….music, cuisine, etc is all built upon earlier traditions and contributions that were used to create something new.

History books address this, noting all cultural diffusion that was taking place down through the centuries. I still wonder what unhappy group pounced on these age old events in the effort to turn something that has been very positive and claim it is horrifying.

 

[presonorek]

If I choose to kvetch, I will kvetch wherever I damn please. You are not the boss of me.

Are you sure? God talks to her. She has a lot of authority.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

All the complaining about how Jesus was born in March, the Christmas tree is pagan and idolatry, half our traditions came from Yule and Solstice....whatever makes you feel better. I'm convinced you do this because 11 months of the year you all hate on Christianity, so then feel guilty taking part in the celebrations in December. You reconcile this by telling yourself it's "not really Christian".

Here's a little tip from Christians: celebrate it or not, we don't care. We don't generally go to Christmas events and grill people as to whether they're REALLY celebrating the Birth of Christ or just partaking in general merry-making. It's fine. Either way. It's fine.

But how about refrain from the REALLY impolite act of telling religious believers that the way they celebrate their holiday is wrong. Or if you can't refrain, kindly start doing that to Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Wiccans, etc too. We can't wait to see how THAT goes.

But if you really CANNOT refrain: just put all the usual December kvetching here. Also, all USMB members, when they start the kvetching in other threads, just refer them to this one. The general unbelievers December complaint thread.

Yes, most conservatives are truly this ignorant.

Ancient peoples celebrated the Winter Solstice millennia before the advent of Christianity.

Indeed, Winter Solstice celebrations were misappropriated by Christians in an effort to foment their recently invented religion.

You’re the new kids on the block.

 

[presonorek]

Yes, most conservatives are truly this ignorant.

Ancient peoples celebrated the Winter Solstice millennia before the advent of Christianity.

Indeed, Winter Solstice celebrations were misappropriated by Christians in an effort to foment their recently invented religion.

You’re the new kids on the block.

Are you challenging her historical claims that Christmas was started by Jesus found in Luke 2:10?

And behold the angel of the Lord bowed down to the Christ child as they both celebrated the birthday of Santa Clause. Luke 2:10

 

[Meriweather]

Indeed, Winter Solstice celebrations were misappropriated by Christians in an effort to foment their recently invented religion.

Nothing was "misappropriated" or even "appropriated". There was simply something more worthwhile to celebrate.

 

[Meriweather]

The Jesus of the NT was born right before Sukkot.

Out of curiosity, why is this considered the more accurate birthdate?

 

[SweetSue92]

If I choose to kvetch, I will kvetch wherever I damn please. You are not the boss of me.

Oh I know. But now you have a whole thread for it. You're welcome.

 

[presonorek]

Oh I know. But now you have a whole thread for it. You're welcome.

You should set everybody straight and tell us how Christmas was utilized by the church throughout history. or don’t.

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes, most conservatives are truly this ignorant.

Ancient peoples celebrated the Winter Solstice millennia before the advent of Christianity.

Indeed, Winter Solstice celebrations were misappropriated by Christians in an effort to foment their recently invented religion.

You’re the new kids on the block.

Why don't you ask me if I know about Winter Solstice and when it was largely and widely celebrated rather than assume I'm ignorant about it?

Why don't you ask me about my background knowledge and how that contributes to my understanding here?

Oh wait, better to just denigrate entire swaths of people.

 

[presonorek]

Why don't you ask me if I know about Winter Solstice and when it was largely and widely celebrated rather than assume I'm ignorant about it?

Why don't you ask me about my background knowledge and how that contributes to my understanding here?

Oh wait, better to just denigrate entire swaths of people.

What was winter solistice? When was it largely celebrated? When was Christmas first practiced in the church? When was Christmas made an official holiday in the United States?

Nobody is assuming your ignorance. They are assuming your omission of knowledge.

 

[Meriweather]

When was Christmas made an official holiday in the United States?

Not with my Puritan ancestors, that is for certain. It wasn't until my German ancestors arrived with their celebrations, that people took an interest.

 

[hjmick]

Are you sure? God talks to her. She has a lot of authority.

I just checked with my wife. I'm sure...

 

[Indeependent]

Out of curiosity, why is this considered the more accurate birthdate?

Your scripture, you tell me.