Is partition of the United States inevitable?

[EvilCat Breath]

I see a conservative country and a liberal country. Those in between would just have to choose a side.

How many posters on USMB do you see that tell us they have no political affiliation or are Independent, but side with liberal policies and situations 90% of the time?

I can't take full credit for this idea. I call it Mom's Law. When my siblings and I would fight, after everything else failed, Mom would separate us into different rooms. Of course it's no fun playing by yourself, and we eventually found a way to play together in peace.

That's what needs to happen with this country. When the liberals tax businesses so high they all move to our side, when they see the massive crime that takes place because people can't protect themselves with guns, when they see there is no possible way to survive with renewable energy, when they see what happens to their society when they usher in millions of desperate immigrants, when people can't even leave their home at night because there is no police authority, they will finally have to give in to us when their society completely fails.

There is no way any first world country can survive with massive crime, no jobs, no wealthy people, taxed to death, half the people or more on social programs, and spend trillions on thinking they're saving the world with low carbon emissions. It can't work, but you also can't explain that to them either. They have to create the world they claim to love to understand that for themselves.

Then down the road one day, unite as the United States of America again.

The difference is that Mom's Law supposes that the children want the family to exist so the children have to find a way to get along. Democrats do not want the country to exist. In fact they are refashioning a history in which the United States never existed.

America Never Existed › American Greatness

It is possible (not certain, but possible) that within the next 20 years or so, the United States will no longer exist. That would be a great setback for human liberty. The end of the American…

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[The Duke]

You mean like an election? Where the people speak and select a President and the people get behind the opposition if they lose? Haven’t seen that in a while.

That's because people know the last election wasn't legitimate and Democrats paid for the opposition to the one prior to that.

 

[The Duke]

The Left Has Seals; the Right Has SEALs

The US Navy has SEALs. They are non-political and do their jobs, unlike the FBI.

Not saying the FBI all don't do their jobs because I know a majority do, but man; There's something fucked up going on around there.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The difference is that Mom's Law supposes that the children want the family to exist so the children have to find a way to get along. Democrats do not want the country to exist. In fact they are refashioning a history in which the United States never existed.

America Never Existed › American Greatness

It is possible (not certain, but possible) that within the next 20 years or so, the United States will no longer exist. That would be a great setback for human liberty. The end of the American…

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My point is they can't survive without us. It's they who would have to capitulate to form one country again. They think their ideas sound good on paper, but when applied, we have the huge increase in violent crime like all big ran lib cities are experiencing today. NY and DC are crying about all the illegals being sent to their states. NYC is finding polio in their waste water basins. These are the results of leftist policies. So I say the only way to get them to see how flawed their ideas are is to give them their own country and let them apply all their liberal ideas so they see where that gets them.

 

[MarcATL]

So you feel the liberal Democrat who wrote the article in the OP is an enemy of America?

Interesting...

Where can one find the proof that this author is a "liberal?"

 

[SavannahMann]

My point is they can't survive without us. It's they who would have to capitulate to form one country again. They think their ideas sound good on paper, but when applied, we have the huge increase in violent crime like all big ran lib cities are experiencing today. NY and DC are crying about all the illegals being sent to their states. NYC is finding polio in their waste water basins. These are the results of leftist policies. So I say the only way to get them to see how flawed their ideas are is to give them their own country and let them apply all their liberal ideas so they see where that gets them.

What makes you think they would come back to you? California could join Mexico. Or the Western States could join China.

But you keep saying they would fail. They would have to come crawling back. What if they didn’t? Let’s say they charged a $1,000 tariff on all cargo shipped through California, Oregon, or Washington. What could you do but pay?

There are lots of alternatives. And you keep accusing Liberals of being socialist and working for China. What if you are right? What if ten seconds after leaving the United States China moves in? Or Mexico?

Personally. I think you idiots on the Right would invade as soon as the Western States or Liberal States started to charge tariffs for the shipments coming from the ports. Or you had to pay tariffs on airplanes from Lockheed, or Boeing. Or parts for those planes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What makes you think they would come back to you? California could join Mexico. Or the Western States could join China.

But you keep saying they would fail. They would have to come crawling back. What if they didn’t? Let’s say they charged a $1,000 tariff on all cargo shipped through California, Oregon, or Washington. What could you do but pay?

There are lots of alternatives. And you keep accusing Liberals of being socialist and working for China. What if you are right? What if ten seconds after leaving the United States China moves in? Or Mexico?

Personally. I think you idiots on the Right would invade as soon as the Western States or Liberal States started to charge tariffs for the shipments coming from the ports. Or you had to pay tariffs on airplanes from Lockheed, or Boeing. Or parts for those planes.

We would just build our own ports, not that we don't have them already. Look at what Commifornia is doing to their ports, ships out there for months waiting to get unloaded because they can't get enough trucks to haul the shit out of there. DeSantis offered their ports and some of the ships went there to get unloaded, but only Commifornia has large enough facilities to accommodate those huge ships.

We'll be fine. Don't worry about us. But like I said, when crime is so out of control in your country like it is in lib cities now, when you have no police or guns to protect yourselves, when most industry moves to our side with lower taxation, when you are bombarded with third world uneducated people, when half or more of your country is on social programs, we'll see who comes crawling back.

 

[SavannahMann]

We would just build our own ports, not that we don't have them already. Look at what Commifornia is doing to their ports, ships out there for months waiting to get unloaded because they can't get enough trucks to haul the shit out of there. DeSantis offered their ports and some of the ships went there to get unloaded, but only Commifornia has large enough facilities to accommodate those huge ships.

We'll be fine. Don't worry about us. But like I said, when crime is so out of control in your country like it is in lib cities now, when you have no police or guns to protect yourselves, when most industry moves to our side with lower taxation, when you are bombarded with third world uneducated people, when half or more of your country is on social programs, we'll see who comes crawling back.

Where? Do you have any clue how long and hard it is to build a port? You would require ships to either sail West the long way to East Coast Ports that are also backed up for weeks or months. Or you would have to annex Mexico or Canada, who’s ports are backed up, for West Coast Ports.

Build your own? Where? Once you found a suitable location. Figure ten years before better than a token amount of cargo could be managed. And guess where cranes are made?

You are like an abusive Husband who has been notified his Wife wants a divorce and is stalking her. She will come crawling back. And when she doesn’t you get violent.

Tell me what the Pledge of Allegiance says.

Why don’t you believe or support that?

And Crime? California has protested being forced to release crooks from Prison because of Overcrowding. The Supreme Court limited them. California argued they could manage more.

The problem is you are going on Feelz. Just like that abusive husband. You don’t believe in the Nation. You don’t believe in God. And you don’t believe in anything but hatred and control.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Where? Do you have any clue how long and hard it is to build a port? You would require ships to either sail West the long way to East Coast Ports that are also backed up for weeks or months. Or you would have to annex Mexico or Canada, who’s ports are backed up, for West Coast Ports.

Build your own? Where? Once you found a suitable location. Figure ten years before better than a token amount of cargo could be managed. And guess where cranes are made?

You are like an abusive Husband who has been notified his Wife wants a divorce and is stalking her. She will come crawling back. And when she doesn’t you get violent.

Tell me what the Pledge of Allegiance says.

Why don’t you believe or support that?

And Crime? California has protested being forced to release crooks from Prison because of Overcrowding. The Supreme Court limited them. California argued they could manage more.

The problem is you are going on Feelz. Just like that abusive husband. You don’t believe in the Nation. You don’t believe in God. And you don’t believe in anything but hatred and control.

What I believe is that we can no longer be united anymore. The left went from Democrat to liberal, from liberal to progressive, from progressive to Socialist Democrat, whatever the F that is.

So tell me, where is the middle ground between constitutionalism and Communism? There is none. That's why it's important to start making plans now on splitting up so we can at least save half of this country. Allowing the Communists complete control over all of us will be the end of the great experiment.

 

[SavannahMann]

What I believe is that we can no longer be united anymore. The left went from Democrat to liberal, from liberal to progressive, from progressive to Socialist Democrat, whatever the F that is.

So tell me, where is the middle ground between constitutionalism and Communism? There is none. That's why it's important to start making plans now on splitting up so we can at least save half of this country. Allowing the Communists complete control over all of us will be the end of the great experiment.

Then you don’t believe in America. So are you still American?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then you don’t believe in America. So are you still American?

America to me is freedom, a capitalist society, law and order, and a responsible government, not one that uses our federal agencies as their personal police to destroy political enemies.

I am an American because I wish to preserve our values and traditions. The left constantly talks about how great it is in other countries, yet never take the first step to moving to one of these utopias they speak about. The lefts hero (DumBama) motto was hope and change. If you were ever married to a woman and that was your goal, hope and change, you're going to be divorced in a short amount of time. You don't change something you love.

Being an American means respecting our Constitution and not looking for ways to subvert it. The left hates our Constitution looking for ways to take our guns, wanting to end the electoral collage because they lose presidential elections with it, ridding our society of God which we see the outcome of.

I don't want to change this country like the left does. If anything, I would rather take away the anti-American changes they already made.

 

[SavannahMann]

America to me is freedom, a capitalist society, law and order, and a responsible government, not one that uses our federal agencies as their personal police to destroy political enemies.

I am an American because I wish to preserve our values and traditions. The left constantly talks about how great it is in other countries, yet never take the first step to moving to one of these utopias they speak about. The lefts hero (DumBama) motto was hope and change. If you were ever married to a woman and that was your goal, hope and change, you're going to be divorced in a short amount of time. You don't change something you love.

Being an American means respecting our Constitution and not looking for ways to subvert it. The left hates our Constitution looking for ways to take our guns, wanting to end the electoral collage because they lose presidential elections with it, ridding our society of God which we see the outcome of.

I don't want to change this country like the left does. If anything, I would rather take away the anti-American changes they already made.

Oh Baloney. You don’t believe any of that stuff. If you did you wouldn’t support Trump.

How many threads have we seen where the folks on your side dream of Trump turning those same Federal Agencies against the enemies. People on the Left. You don’t want to end the abuses. You want them directed against those you don’t like.

Your idea of Freedom is for people to live the way you want them to. You don’t respect anything that is really American.

And don’t give me that Law and Order crap. You want the left to be subjected to your ideals of law and order. But not the Right. I want the same for both sides. I want the same laws applied equally to everyone.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh Baloney. You don’t believe any of that stuff. If you did you wouldn’t support Trump.

How many threads have we seen where the folks on your side dream of Trump turning those same Federal Agencies against the enemies. People on the Left. You don’t want to end the abuses. You want them directed against those you don’t like.

Your idea of Freedom is for people to live the way you want them to. You don’t respect anything that is really American.

And don’t give me that Law and Order crap. You want the left to be subjected to your ideals of law and order. But not the Right. I want the same for both sides. I want the same laws applied equally to everyone.

Wait a minute, what federal agency did Trump ever use against a political foe? It doesn't matter what people in USMB want, it's what the leaders do once in power that counts.

Freedom is not being fined by the Commies because I didn't sign up for their socialist healthcare plan. Freedom is not having a Nazi in charge telling Americans take the shot or lose your job, and get no unemployment to boot. Freedom is not having the IRS looking at every bank transaction I make. Freedom is being able to buy a firearm of my choice and not what government will allow me to buy.

 

[SavannahMann]

Wait a minute, what federal agency did Trump ever use against a political foe? It doesn't matter what people in USMB want, it's what the leaders do once in power that counts.

Freedom is not being fined by the Commies because I didn't sign up for their socialist healthcare plan. Freedom is not having a Nazi in charge telling Americans take the shot or lose your job, and get no unemployment to boot. Freedom is not having the IRS looking at every bank transaction I make. Freedom is being able to buy a firearm of my choice and not what government will allow me to buy.

Oh Bullshit.

How about Gay Marriage. We have a lot of links showing how opposed you are to that freedom. So you want freedom for you as you define it but not for anyone else.

Google search results

www.usmessageboard.com

I could go down the list. Freedom from harassment by police. You rant and rave about how awful the Government is demanding that you get healthcare insurance. But you also rail in favor of it when Minorities object to being targeted because of their race.

Google search results

www.usmessageboard.com

You object when Whites face criminal prosecution for murdering a minority.

You rant endlessly about Critical Race Theory while completely ignoring it is only taught in Masters and Doctorate level education.

Most of the Liberals you detest never heard of it.

You ignore the truth about anything you don’t like. Your honesty is as shallow as your dedication to freedom.

 

[skye]

What I believe is that we can no longer be united anymore. The left went from Democrat to liberal, from liberal to progressive, from progressive to Socialist Democrat, whatever the F that is.

So tell me, where is the middle ground between constitutionalism and Communism? There is none. That's why it's important to start making plans now on splitting up so we can at least save half of this country. Allowing the Communists complete control over all of us will be the end of the great experiment.

I agree.

I personally believe that a sort of partition in America will happen one way or another.

Leave the areas of the country where the lunatics of the Left are ....they can have those!

The rest of America for the sane.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh Bullshit.

How about Gay Marriage. We have a lot of links showing how opposed you are to that freedom. So you want freedom for you as you define it but not for anyone else.

Google search results

www.usmessageboard.com

I could go down the list. Freedom from harassment by police. You rant and rave about how awful the Government is demanding that you get healthcare insurance. But you also rail in favor of it when Minorities object to being targeted because of their race.

Google search results

www.usmessageboard.com

You object when Whites face criminal prosecution for murdering a minority.

You rant endlessly about Critical Race Theory while completely ignoring it is only taught in Masters and Doctorate level education.

Most of the Liberals you detest never heard of it.

You ignore the truth about anything you don’t like. Your honesty is as shallow as your dedication to freedom.

Yes I am against gay marriage being forced on states like it is now. You won't find the word marriage in the Constitution anywhere. It should have never been a court issue in the first place. Prior to that, states had the FREEDOM to recognize gay marriage or not. Now the states that are against it are forced to accept it.

I have freedom from harassment of police. Do you know how? I don't break any laws. Yeah, I know it's tough to do, but it can be done and I'm living proof of it.

Now when did I ever say I was against prosecution of a white guy for murdering a black? Please quote that.

White guilt doesn't have to be labeled CRT. It's still brainwashing our children.

 

[SavannahMann]

Yes I am against gay marriage being forced on states like it is now. You won't find the word marriage in the Constitution anywhere. It should have never been a court issue in the first place. Prior to that, states had the FREEDOM to recognize gay marriage or not. Now the states that are against it are forced to accept it.

I have freedom from harassment of police. Do you know how? I don't break any laws. Yeah, I know it's tough to do, but it can be done and I'm living proof of it.

Now when did I ever say I was against prosecution of a white guy for murdering a black? Please quote that.

White guilt doesn't have to be labeled CRT. It's still brainwashing our children.

Once it was legal in one state, Gay Marriage had to be legal in every state. Why? Divorce. The States oversee Divorce and thus equal treatment required it to be legal.

I have a friend. One of several. He makes good money as an equipment operator. And he buys a nice car and a good house. But he’s Black. And he gets pulled over. Not because he breaks the traffic laws. But because a Black man driving an expensive car must be a criminal. According to you he should be grateful that the cops are paying special attention to Blacks. After all they are the criminals.

Which White did you object to? Easy. Derek Chauvin. Shall I rest my case or continue?

You believe in Freedom. Of people to act, believe, and make the choices you approve of.

I believe in Freedom. Period.

You believe freedom is the right to conform to your ideals. I believe that freedom is the right to do what you please as long as you harm none.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Once it was legal in one state, Gay Marriage had to be legal in every state. Why? Divorce. The States oversee Divorce and thus equal treatment required it to be legal.

I have a friend. One of several. He makes good money as an equipment operator. And he buys a nice car and a good house. But he’s Black. And he gets pulled over. Not because he breaks the traffic laws. But because a Black man driving an expensive car must be a criminal. According to you he should be grateful that the cops are paying special attention to Blacks. After all they are the criminals.

Which White did you object to? Easy. Derek Chauvin. Shall I rest my case or continue?

You believe in Freedom. Of people to act, believe, and make the choices you approve of.

I believe in Freedom. Period.

You believe freedom is the right to conform to your ideals. I believe that freedom is the right to do what you please as long as you harm none.

Why would divorce be an issue in a different state? If the state didn't recognize gay marriage, then there is nothing to divorce yourself from because in that state you are not legally married. Marriage is a religious rite that government stuck it's nose into and the court should have ruled to get government out of marriage.

Yeah, I know all about it. Blacks never do anything wrong. Cops pull black people over for no reason. In fact when they do and the black asks what he's being pulled over for, the cop tells him because he's black. I hear it on my police scanner all the time. The cop calls dispatch and says "I'm pulling over XXX because he's black and I don't like it". Police really have nothing better to do than to look for black people to pull over.

I objected to the Darek Chauvin trial because it was not conducted constitutionally. The Constitution guarantees every citizen a speedy trial with an unbiased jury. There was no way that jury was unbiased with all those uncivilized animals threatening harm outside. No juror would have accepted the position unless their mind was already made up before the trial even began. That trial should have been moved 100 miles away from the city to a small town somewhere where the jurors didn't feel threatened.

If you want to live in an environment where there are no laws, you can move to the African jungles where there is no authority over you. In a civilized world, we have law, order and police authority.

 

[MinTrut]

You see. Peaceful or amiable is not possible. You don’t want Justice. You want revenge. You don’t want equality. You want to stand on the corpses of the vanquished.

I have consistently said I don’t know if the Warrant was justified. But you’ve already decided. You’ve decided6 before the evidence is in. You’ve decided, and now you want revenge. How could the separation work? With so many like you determined to get revenge. You wouldn’t accept that the WSA or LSA or whatever wouldn’t collapse. If they started to actually succeed funded in part by the Tariffs they would certainly charge you would rally for stomping them into the ground. When their technological development exceeded yours because the Tech base is located there, you would find yourself demanding invasion and forcing them to serve you.

Hell they could surrender everything to China, and that couldn’t be allowed could it?

You don’t want the Liberals to have a separate nation. You want them jailed, or dead.

I don’t know if the Warrant was justified. I don’t know. And you don’t know either, but you’ve already decided, and you want revenge for the outrage. I’m willing to wait for the facts, but you all on the extreme right, the core Trump Fanboys, nothing will ever change your mind.

It will come to a Civil War. It is impossible to avoid at this point. We have 300 million people in this nation, and if it goes Nuclear we may have fifty million survivors scattered about the ruins after the first month. We may have ten million survivors after six. The world will lose a few billion. And all the things you hate, will be the norm.

Mexicans will be able to cross the border at will, and nothing could stop them because there won’t be a Government, or even enough people to do anything about it. In fact, Mexico along with South and Central America will probably fare better than we will. Nobody will waste nukes on them while bombing their enemies into rubble.

Africa will probably survive. Oh they’ll lose perhaps fifty percent of their population, but they’ll survive. The Middle East will explode, Israel will go out with a bang. Australia will lose some, but again, nobody is going to waste too many bombs nuking wide open deserted territories in the middle of nowhere.

America, Europe, and especially Russia and China will be blown essentially off the map.

So launch the nukes. Get it going. Get it over with. You won’t live with anyone who is unwilling to become as radical as you are. I won’t live like that. Ever.

I don't want revenge of any kind.

I want the Democrats to understand that they must NEVER do again what they've been doing for the last 6 years.

NEVER.

If this doesn't happen...

 

[MinTrut]

The problem is all this division is based on ignorance. The American people are divided because the oligarchs, big corporations, and the two criminal gangs divide them, with the help of the establishment media.

Americans allow themselves to be divided by their absurd support of the two gangs.

It’s particularly absurd when you realize there is little difference between the two gangs.

Yup.