Is partition of the United States inevitable?

[MinTrut]

On the conservative side we would still have elections and states. It would be the establishment vs the constitutionalists. As for social programs it would run along the same lines or perhaps (as they should be) different in each state The establishment may be for the things you want. The constitutionalists is the side I would be on.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution, that grants Congress the right of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

But there MUST be compromise, even within the new states.

 

[MinTrut]

If anyone has a viable plan, I'm all ears.

There's the rub...

 

[MinTrut]

The fascists love to brag about how wonderful the economy of California is. But the economy is driven by natural resources, particularly the natural deep water port in Long Beach / Los Angeles - the busiest port in the world.

Whoever controls that port will control a 7th of the economy in the world. There would be no way to partition such resources. Add in San Diego and San Francisco, though nothing like Long Beach harbor, and you have the wealth of California.

Partitions aren't just about politics, they are about resources. The Imperial Valley in California is the most fertile farm land in the world - but depends on water from the San Jaquane delta - which the democrats have denied. Hence most of our produce now comes from Mexico or Chili - but that is because of the war on food waged by the Nazi party.

Whoever controlled the delta AND the Imperial Valley would control the food supply of most of the nation. Again, how do you partition this? What about the oil and shale fields of the Dakotas?

Some very good points, and Cali would need to become multiple states; It's hella problematic.

 

[MinTrut]

Yep.

The ******* commies are to blame.

I hope the resulting extermination is complete. Not one ******* commie **** is left breathing.

Kill a commie for mommy.

It's not commies, it's liberals.

And the idea would be to part peacefully - no killing.

 

[MinTrut]

Is partition of the United States inevitable?​

Of course, no empire, democracy, or republic has ever lasted more than a few hundred years

Good point.

And we appear to be at our breaking point.

 

[MinTrut]

You mean like NOT using the Gestapo to attack the opposition candidate that you can't defeat at the polls?

The Nazi party has destroyed the past. What your Reich does was unthinkable even a decade ago. We are in this civil war because your Reich in it's lust for absolute power has waged war on everything that keeps society civil. From your war on civil rights, outlawing speech, religion, attempting to shutting down opposition press (before you lie, remember what you Nazis did to the New York Post when it revealed the Hunter laptop.) Your attacks on the 4th Amendment, scouring the taxes of enemies in order to attack them. You Reich is putting 87,000 new ARMED IRS agents on the streets to wage taxfare against your enemies.

Are you Nazis willing to relinquish your totalitarian agenda to have peace?

What's driving this civil war is that you Nazis have driven the decent people to hate you as much as you have always and openly hated us. You Nazis are school yard bullies. You are outraged that your victims are fighting back against you.

First step you Nazis can take to move back toward peace - live by the same laws and rules you impose of your enemies.

But we ALL know that will never happen - and that's why bloodshed is inevitable.

Except for the bloodshed part, thread win.

 

[MinTrut]

If dumb Don gets re-elected, the left will bite. They’ve been so thoroughly indoctrinated with hate for dumb Don, though he’s not much different than dumb Joe.

Liberals, not the left; you KNOW this!

 

[MinTrut]

Liberalism is a good thing.

We struggle against fascism. The democrats are not "liberal," quite the opposite. They are totalitarian collectivists.

They're collectivists for the 1% only...

 

[MinTrut]

You know that doesn't matter.

In the spectacularly unlikely event that something like this occurred, I hope there would be some purple states that welcomed ideas and opinions from everyone, with collaboration and innovation as the goal.

Those are the states that would be the most dynamic and succeed the best.

Possibly.

 

[Circe]

Yes, IMO partition of the states is inevitable.

Then the states will all make war on each other interminably: like happens in Europe or Asia.

It would really be better to keep the nation large and powerful and not openly warring.

But that ship appears to have sailed and to be out of sight now.

 

[MinTrut]

An interesting statistic...

Recent survey shows 42% of Americans have started growing their own produce​

According to the National Gardening Association, millennials make up 29 percent of gardener demographics.

Recent survey shows 42% of Americans have started growing their own produce

GREEN BAY (WLUK) --A recent survey shows 42 percent of Americans have started growing their own produce. Cathy Hedge is the owner of Ivy Trails in Green Bay. She says in the last couple of years, the interest in home gardening has grown exponentially. "Pretty much vegetable sales, and that type...

fox11online.com

The above doesn't break down if the 42% are liberal/progressives or conservatives which would be interesting.
My point for bringing this up is with a division as being discussed how involved would such a division be in food distribution for example. With the majority of population in large cities under liberal/progressives would your local food stores see shortages? With the largest oil production coming from a red state and a liberal CA working to eliminate fossil fuels,
what would CA do if food, fuel, etc. be reduced?
So does the USA continue with this growing schism between reality vs non-reality?

Secession would be a mess, but better than the civil war we may well be headng for if the Democrats don't stop burning the country and their perceived enemies - The People - down.

 

[MinTrut]

Are you going to throw quarters you earned in the adult bookstores in the 60's at us?

What you are far, far too stupid to grasp, is you've caused us to hate you as deeply as you've always hated us. We have no reason to be civil to you Nazis - none.

You are our enemy and will be treated as what you are.

They really have gone mad with hate; 2016 broke them.

 

[MinTrut]

Name the Oligarchs and you'll see a pattern with them.

Standard Disclaimer: They're nearly all fascist democrats.

Yup.

 

[MinTrut]

The USA is not split between states, but between metropolitan and small town/rural American. California is not all blue and Texas is not all red. That is the problem. Therefore a split simply does not work. I really don't know how all this can play out in the future. The split between red and blue American is so deep , I Just do not see how it can be overcome. At the same time separation ideas are impossible to realize.

This is the problem.

But Democrats simply will not come to their senses.

 

[eagle1462010]

Where? Do you have any clue how long and hard it is to build a port? You would require ships to either sail West the long way to East Coast Ports that are also backed up for weeks or months. Or you would have to annex Mexico or Canada, who’s ports are backed up, for West Coast Ports.

Build your own? Where? Once you found a suitable location. Figure ten years before better than a token amount of cargo could be managed. And guess where cranes are made?

You are like an abusive Husband who has been notified his Wife wants a divorce and is stalking her. She will come crawling back. And when she doesn’t you get violent.

Tell me what the Pledge of Allegiance says.

Why don’t you believe or support that?

And Crime? California has protested being forced to release crooks from Prison because of Overcrowding. The Supreme Court limited them. California argued they could manage more.

The problem is you are going on Feelz. Just like that abusive husband. You don’t believe in the Nation. You don’t believe in God. And you don’t believe in anything but hatred and control.

Gulf coast moonbat.

And we would get off Chinas tits anyway.

 

[Circe]

Wait a minute, what federal agency did Trump ever use against a political foe? It doesn't matter what people in USMB want, it's what the leaders do once in power that counts.

Freedom is not being fined by the Commies because I didn't sign up for their socialist healthcare plan. Freedom is not having a Nazi in charge telling Americans take the shot or lose your job, and get no unemployment to boot. Freedom is not having the IRS looking at every bank transaction I make. Freedom is being able to buy a firearm of my choice and not what government will allow me to buy.

Freedom is not being raided by the FBI and being made a political prisoner by the Democrats.

 

[BlindBoo]

I want the Democrats to understand that they must NEVER do again what they've been doing for the last 6 years.

That's just some funny shit. The Neo-GOP is upset that their Exalted One, and those around him, has been caught numerous times while during the prior 6 year period in which they controlled the investigations into the Obama Presidency they came up with zero, zip, nada to indict hardly anyone from Obama's terms.

Find someone who is actually pro America, not the Trumpyberra. You know like liz Cheney.......

 

[BlindBoo]

Freedom is not being raided by the FBI and being made a political prisoner by the Democrats.

Freedom is taking top secret Documents home and invading and occupying the Capitol during the joint session of Congress while they were counting the EC votes with no consequences?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Freedom is not being raided by the FBI and being made a political prisoner by the Democrats.

And freedom is being allowed to contact your attorney, see a judge to set bail, unlike those folks that are still sitting in the Capital jail today a year and a half later.

 

[Circe]

And freedom is being allowed to contact your attorney, see a judge to set bail, unlike those folks that are still sitting in the Capital jail today a year and a half later.

People who don't realize these are classical political prisoners just never read anything before, I guess. What is going on in America now has been going on forever anywhere they HAVE jails. We just didn't think it could happen here.