CDZ Inviting ALL leftists for an HONEST conversation

[Oddball]

So just proved why the left-wing ideology doesn’t work. Too many people who “don’t give a fuck”. They are just looking to mooch off of the system. And the left wants to force people into this system that we just saw doesn’t work and cannot work.

I am saying voluntary good will doesn't work because not enough people give a fuck. That's why it will only work if the government forces people to contribute.

Projection....It's you who doesn't give a fuck.

 

[danielpalos]

why not?

Not enough people will contribute enough on their own to solve the problems they're trying to solve. It has to be compulsory or it just won't be enough.

Why not? If they love socialism and claim it “works” why wouldn’t they all contribute everything they have and then evenly distribute among all members?

I think the why is kind of irrelevant. It wouldn't work that way.

The why is 100% relevant. If it can’t work with 10 people, it certainly can’t work with three-hundred million. You’re openly admitting that it doesn’t work.

The Only reason Capitalism "works" is Because you don't Care about Equality like Socialism.

 

[Tehon]

why not?

Not enough people will contribute enough on their own to solve the problems they're trying to solve. It has to be compulsory or it just won't be enough.

Why not? If they love socialism and claim it “works” why wouldn’t they all contribute everything they have and then evenly distribute among all members?

I think the why is kind of irrelevant. It wouldn't work that way.

The why is 100% relevant. If it can’t work with 10 people, it certainly can’t work with three-hundred million. You’re openly admitting that it doesn’t work.

This is wrong.

It doesn't work with 10 people because 10 people aren't enough to make all the things we utilize.

 

[Oddball]

I think you misunderstand what Bernie represents. He doesn't want to shut down free market competition and give the government unlimited control. Yes, he calls himself a socialist, but if you listen to him you will quickly learn that he's talking about emulating what they do in Scandinavia. Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist. It would be more accurate to call Bernie a Nordic capitalist.

Then why has Bernie Sanders himself declared his is a “Socialist” instead of a “Nordic Capitalist”? Why can’t you guys just have an honest conversation here?

That's rich, calling for "honest" literally one sentence after you lied. Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. IIRC so does AOC. Sorry if that puts brake fluid in your crazy train.

"Democratic socialist" is like trying to assert that saying "chocolate covered" in front of "dog turd" transforms a chunk of crap into a Snickers bar....Socialism is socialism, no matter how you try to dress it up or conceal it.

 

[airplanemechanic]

why doesn't the left just create socialism within the confines of the free market?

Because the left isn't out to create socialism. That's a fake story the right pushes to deflect from the failure of conservative policies.

That is, you're not asking an honest question. You set up a dishonest strawman, so the correct response to that is to point out it's a dishonest strawman.

Really? Considering that AOC said she hates Capitalism because the emphasis is on money and then talks about socialism I pretty much think thats what she wants.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez explained democratic socialism and capitalism at SXSW

AOC SAID:

The most important thing is the concentration of capital, and it means that we seek and prioritize profit and the accumulation of money above all else, and we seek it at any human and environmental cost… But when we talk about ideas for example like democratic socialism, it means putting democracy and society first, instead of capital first.

Those are her words my friend.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is nationalizing the means of production.

More misinformation. Here is the official definition. It is not just “nationalizing the means of production”. Regulation places control over “private” industry as well.

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That means there is no true Capitalism except in right wing fantasy.

 

[Pogo]

I think you misunderstand what Bernie represents. He doesn't want to shut down free market competition and give the government unlimited control. Yes, he calls himself a socialist, but if you listen to him you will quickly learn that he's talking about emulating what they do in Scandinavia. Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist. It would be more accurate to call Bernie a Nordic capitalist.

Then why has Bernie Sanders himself declared his is a “Socialist” instead of a “Nordic Capitalist”? Why can’t you guys just have an honest conversation here?

That's rich, calling for "honest" literally one sentence after you lied. Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. IIRC so does AOC. Sorry if that puts brake fluid in your crazy train.

"Democratic socialist" is like trying to assert that saying "chocolate covered" in front of "dog turd" transforms a chunk of crap into a Snickers bar....Socialism is socialism, no matter how you try to dress it up or conceal it.

Sorry, adjectives still function. Whether you like how they modify or not. Big difference, for example between being a "backgammon addict" and being a "heroin addict". Hey, they're both addicts, right?

"Drag race" / "Master race". A race is a race, right?
"Ball game" / "Mind game" ?
"Home Address" / "Gettysburg Address"

Point being, Buttsoiler doesn't get to change other people's words into something they were not just because he can't deal with them on their own terms. And he for damn sure doesn't get to do that and then in the next breath try to talk about "honest".

 

[Tehon]

why doesn't the left just create socialism within the confines of the free market?

A social system requires a society to implement.

Our society is the most advanced in history. It takes all of us to produce the things we utilize.

It is not possible to create a social system of production within a social system of production.

 

[mamooth]

We still can't get P@triot to define what "socialism" is as he uses the term, but still he swears all Democrats back it.

This is a religious crusade for him. He has a faith-based belief that the evil leftists all believe in the evil socialism. He doesn't know what that socialism is, but he's very sure that it's something awful, and that it makes all leftists awful for believing in it.

At this stage, it's plain that P@triot and pals are arguing against figments of their imagination, figments planted there by party propaganda. That makes such people only interesting as psychological studies.

 

[Tehon]

A social system requires a society to implement.

Our society is the most advanced in history. It takes all of us to produce the things we utilize.

It is not possible to create a social system of production within a social system of production.

Is he serious?

Is who serious?

 

[Tehon]

Is who serious?

The person you quoted.

It's hard to believe he doesn't understand the impossibility of his suggestion.

Oh, I'm sure not.

I haven't talked to him in a while. I thought I would give him the opportunity to have a clean debate, regardless.

 

[Oddball]

I think you misunderstand what Bernie represents. He doesn't want to shut down free market competition and give the government unlimited control. Yes, he calls himself a socialist, but if you listen to him you will quickly learn that he's talking about emulating what they do in Scandinavia. Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist. It would be more accurate to call Bernie a Nordic capitalist.

Then why has Bernie Sanders himself declared his is a “Socialist” instead of a “Nordic Capitalist”? Why can’t you guys just have an honest conversation here?

That's rich, calling for "honest" literally one sentence after you lied. Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. IIRC so does AOC. Sorry if that puts brake fluid in your crazy train.

"Democratic socialist" is like trying to assert that saying "chocolate covered" in front of "dog turd" transforms a chunk of crap into a Snickers bar....Socialism is socialism, no matter how you try to dress it up or conceal it.

Sorry, adjectives still function. Whether you like how they modify or not. Big difference, for example between being a "backgammon addict" and being a "heroin addict". Hey, they're both addicts, right?

"Drag race" / "Master race". A race is a race, right?
"Ball game" / "Mind game" ?
"Home Address" / "Gettysburg Address"

Point being, Buttsoiler doesn't get to change other people's words into something they were not just because he can't deal with them on their own terms. And he for damn sure doesn't get to do that and then in the next breath try to talk about "honest".

No, the modifier isn't worth a shit here....In fact, it's as dishonest as hell.

 

[Pogo]

I think you misunderstand what Bernie represents. He doesn't want to shut down free market competition and give the government unlimited control. Yes, he calls himself a socialist, but if you listen to him you will quickly learn that he's talking about emulating what they do in Scandinavia. Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist. It would be more accurate to call Bernie a Nordic capitalist.

Then why has Bernie Sanders himself declared his is a “Socialist” instead of a “Nordic Capitalist”? Why can’t you guys just have an honest conversation here?

That's rich, calling for "honest" literally one sentence after you lied. Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. IIRC so does AOC. Sorry if that puts brake fluid in your crazy train.

"Democratic socialist" is like trying to assert that saying "chocolate covered" in front of "dog turd" transforms a chunk of crap into a Snickers bar....Socialism is socialism, no matter how you try to dress it up or conceal it.

Sorry, adjectives still function. Whether you like how they modify or not. Big difference, for example between being a "backgammon addict" and being a "heroin addict". Hey, they're both addicts, right?

"Drag race" / "Master race". A race is a race, right?
"Ball game" / "Mind game" ?
"Home Address" / "Gettysburg Address"

Point being, Buttsoiler doesn't get to change other people's words into something they were not just because he can't deal with them on their own terms. And he for damn sure doesn't get to do that and then in the next breath try to talk about "honest".

No, the modifier isn't worth a shit here....In fact, it's as dishonest as hell.

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We're right back to the original point --- you don't get to extract (or ignore) an adjective just because you wish it didn't work.

 

[impuretrash]

I think you misunderstand what Bernie represents. He doesn't want to shut down free market competition and give the government unlimited control. Yes, he calls himself a socialist, but if you listen to him you will quickly learn that he's talking about emulating what they do in Scandinavia. Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist. It would be more accurate to call Bernie a Nordic capitalist.

Then why has Bernie Sanders himself declared his is a “Socialist” instead of a “Nordic Capitalist”? Why can’t you guys just have an honest conversation here?

That's rich, calling for "honest" literally one sentence after you lied. Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. IIRC so does AOC. Sorry if that puts brake fluid in your crazy train.

"Democratic socialist" is like trying to assert that saying "chocolate covered" in front of "dog turd" transforms a chunk of crap into a Snickers bar....Socialism is socialism, no matter how you try to dress it up or conceal it.

Sorry, adjectives still function. Whether you like how they modify or not. Big difference, for example between being a "backgammon addict" and being a "heroin addict". Hey, they're both addicts, right?

"Drag race" / "Master race". A race is a race, right?
"Ball game" / "Mind game" ?
"Home Address" / "Gettysburg Address"

Point being, Buttsoiler doesn't get to change other people's words into something they were not just because he can't deal with them on their own terms. And he for damn sure doesn't get to do that and then in the next breath try to talk about "honest".

No, the modifier isn't worth a shit here....In fact, it's as dishonest as hell.

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Come on...the Nazi's form of government was a far cry from what Bernie Sanders is advocating.

 

[Oddball]

Come on...the Nazi's form of government was a far cry from what Bernie Sanders is advocating.

A means to the same totalitarian ends....You really think those who come after ol' Batshit Bernie are going to just stop there?

 

[impuretrash]

Come on...the Nazi's form of government was a far cry from what Bernie Sanders is advocating.

A means to the same totalitarian ends.

Not really...sure, sander's socialism if taken to extremes would end up bad for everyone probably but it'd be a lot closer to Stalin than Hitler dont you think?

 

[Pogo]

Then why has Bernie Sanders himself declared his is a “Socialist” instead of a “Nordic Capitalist”? Why can’t you guys just have an honest conversation here?

That's rich, calling for "honest" literally one sentence after you lied. Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist. IIRC so does AOC. Sorry if that puts brake fluid in your crazy train.

"Democratic socialist" is like trying to assert that saying "chocolate covered" in front of "dog turd" transforms a chunk of crap into a Snickers bar....Socialism is socialism, no matter how you try to dress it up or conceal it.

Sorry, adjectives still function. Whether you like how they modify or not. Big difference, for example between being a "backgammon addict" and being a "heroin addict". Hey, they're both addicts, right?

"Drag race" / "Master race". A race is a race, right?
"Ball game" / "Mind game" ?
"Home Address" / "Gettysburg Address"

Point being, Buttsoiler doesn't get to change other people's words into something they were not just because he can't deal with them on their own terms. And he for damn sure doesn't get to do that and then in the next breath try to talk about "honest".

No, the modifier isn't worth a shit here....In fact, it's as dishonest as hell.

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Come on...the Nazi's form of government was a far cry from what Bernie Sanders is advocating.

It's doubly dishonest to go Godwin there --- the Nazis deliberately perverted the term "socialism" so they could market themselves, while they were treating the actual Socialists with assault, illegalization and eventually Dachau. So this false comparison in the meme cannot be more disingenuous.

 

[Oddball]

Come on...the Nazi's form of government was a far cry from what Bernie Sanders is advocating.

A means to the same totalitarian ends.

Not really...sure, sander's socialism if taken to extremes would end up bad for everyone probably but it'd be a lot closer to Stalin than Hitler dont you think?

You concentrate that much power in that few hands, and you will attract to it those who seek that power as an end unto itself.

 

[Oddball]

It's doubly dishonest to go Godwin there --- the Nazis deliberately perverted the term "socialism" so they could market themselves, while they were treating the actual Socialists with assault, illegalization and eventually Dachau. So this false comparison in the meme cannot be more disingenuous.

Stalin was in there too...As is Mao.

 

[Pogo]

Come on...the Nazi's form of government was a far cry from what Bernie Sanders is advocating.

A means to the same totalitarian ends....You really think those who come after ol' Batshit Bernie are going to just stop there?

Once AGAIN there's nothing "totalitarian" about it on its own terms. Whereas a moment ago you were dropping an adjective as inconvenient, now you're inserting one in for the same dishonest reason.

But go ahead, tell us about the brutal police state of Denmark.

So much for "honest debate". It never had a chance.