Zone1 In what ways is antisemitism “cloaked” as being against “just” Israel?

[Hafar1014]

Religion isn't a race.

If your religion says, "It's okay for us to steal someone else's land and oppress them, and then genocide them when they fight back", that's not a racial issue, it's a religious issue.


Wow, really, what do you base that on?

Several people using the same writing style and talking about the same issues for um, what reason, exactly?

Mind you, even though I have nearly 200,000 posts here over 15 years, people keep making assumptions about me that are wrong.

I've been accused of being black, gay, Jewish (yes, really), ex-Mormon, ex-Catholic, Muslim, a Chinese spy, a Russian troll, and about everything else under the sun.

Nope. I'm just Joe from Chicago.

You cant steal your own land

 

[Kruska]

More idiot bullshit. The US took in over 2,000,000 Jews from 1880 to 1920, and over 10% of the DPs. We increased the quota of Jews from Europe before and after WW II allowed by law under the US immigration moratorium passed in 1924 on top of that. Over 110,000 Jews came in from the 1930's to 1941, in spite of the Great Depression, out of the total allowed of all immigration of 153,000.

Out of 3,000,000 Polish Jews ...

https://www.yadvashem.org/articles/academic/the-renewal-of-jewish-life-in-poland.html

Following Operation Barbarossa, numerous atrocities were carried out in the territories formerly occupied by the Soviets, some of them with help from Poles themselves as in the case of the massacre in Jedwabne in which some 300 Jewish citizens of Jedwabne were burned alive in a barn (Institute of National Remembrance: Final Findings). The Polish participation in massacres of the Polish Jewish community remains a controversial subject, in part due to the Jewish leaders refusing to allow the remains of the Jewish victims to be exhumed and their cause of death to be properly established. The Polish Institute for National Remembrance identified other pogroms similar to Jedwabne. The reasons for these massacres are still debated, but they included resentment over the cooperation with the Soviet invaders and prior collaboration in the Polish-Soviet War and the 1939 invasion of the Kresy regions, not to mention coercion by the Nazis to participate in German massacres.

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Postwar Poland was a chaotic country in which pro-Soviet communists and patriotic nationalists fought each other. Hundreds of Jews were murdered in anti-Jewish violence, including numerous functionaries of the new Stalinist regime.In the Kielce pogrom of 1946, thirty-seven Jews were brutally murdered. Until today the debate in Poland continues about the inferred evidence of the Soviet NKVD provocation and the presence of Russian soldiers in the killings. Between 1945 and 1948, 100,000–120,000 Jews left Poland. Their departure was largely organized by the Zionist activists in Poland such as Adolf Berman and Icchak Cukierman under the umbrella of a semi-clandestine, tolerated by the government of Poland, organization Berihah ("Flight"). Berman's brother Jakub supervised security forces, so he was one of the most influential people in Poland. Berihah was also responsible for the organized emigration of Jews from Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia totaling 250,000 (including Poland) Holocaust survivors.

A second wave of Jewish emigration (50,000) took place during the liberalization of the Communist regime between 1957 and 1959. Then there was the third major wave of emigration, which one might call an expulsion of Jews, in 1968–1969. Thereafter almost all Jews who decided to stay in Poland "stopped" being Jewish.

History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To stay in Poland was just another holocaust waiting to happen. Screw Poland. The US has taken in far more if its share of all DPs of all nationalities than any other country.

We even let you in. We probably need to change that.

Rubbish - who cares about how many Jews the USA took in via regular immigration from 1880-1920?

In 1933 approx 750,000 Jews lived in Germany and Austria - and about 10 million in the rest of Europe.
So the USA took in 110,000 out of 750.000 Jews from Germany/Austria and from 500,000 Jews from France, Holland, Belgium and Denmark between 1930 -1941, according to YOU. - which is nothing taking the rising persecution of Jews alone in Germany and Austria into account and a US population of 135 million in 1940 - Britain took in around 75,000 Jews from 1933 -1941.

As an example: Germany in 2014 to 2021 alone took in almost 4 million migrants/refugees.

And my comment was in regards to 300,000 Jewish DP's in 1945 to 1947 - of which the USA only took in a mere 35-40,000. And everybody was aware as to how these people had suffered for years.

However as I had stated already, NO ONE wanted them - whereby especially the USA propagating all the time till today, that they fought the Nazis to liberate Europe and the Jews.

Maybe you should read upon the SS St. Louis that was denied docking rights in Miami.

 

[JoeB131]

You cant steal your own land

Hasn't been their land in 2000 years.

And if you want to know the real reason people hate you, it's that kind of sense of entitlement.

 

[Hafar1014]

Hasn't been their land in 2000 years.

And if you want to know the real reason people hate you, it's that kind of sense of entitlement.

Its more like 5000 years and your welcome to try and take it from us. See how that works out

 

[JoeB131]

Its more like 5000 years and your welcome to try and take it from us. See how that works out

Inevitably, the Zionist Entity will fold for the same reason Apartheid South Africa folded.

The majority of the world's Jews don't live there and don't want to, and Zionism has become Crazy Uncle Moshe screaming at your goyim friends.

 

[Hafar1014]

Inevitably, the Zionist Entity will fold for the same reason Apartheid South Africa folded.

The majority of the world's Jews don't live there and don't want to, and Zionism has become Crazy Uncle Moshe screaming at your goyim friends.

Looks like Israel is thriving growing stronger and Muslims are now against Iran. Trump has changed the balance of power in the Middle East in support of moderate Arabs and Israel.

 

[JoeB131]

Looks like Israel is thriving growing stronger and Muslims are now against Iran. Trump has changed the balance of power in the Middle East in support of moderate Arabs and Israel.

Keep living with your delusions.

Wasn't this war supposed to be over weaks ago?

Oh, gasoline out by me is up to 4.69 a gallon. Up $1.70 since this thing started.

But we're totally winning, you guys!

 

[ShahdagMountains]

You can't insist on Israel being a "Jewish" (Apartheid) state and then say,

So why is it 30% Arab?

 

[JoeB131]

So why is it 30% Arab?

Actually, it's more like 50% Arab and it would be 60% if you allowed the refugees to return.

Apartheid isn't about percentages; it's about disparate treatment.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Actually, it's more like 50% Arab and it would be 60% if you allowed the refugees to return.

Apartheid isn't about percentages; it's about disparate treatment.

Yeah right,

I’ve sat having dinner in a Jaffa restaurant, listening to the call to prayer from the mosque across the street.

How’s that for disparate treatment?

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah right,

I’ve sat having dinner in a Jaffa restaurant, listening to the call to prayer from the mosque across the street.

How’s that for disparate treatment?

When you elect a Muslim PM, get back to me.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

When you elect a Muslim PM, get back to me.

Derailing the argument. As usual.

 

[JoeB131]

Derailing the argument. As usual.

You don't have an argument.

If Muslims were happy with their Jewish neighbors, you wouldn't have a boot on their necks in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Religion isn't a race.

ahh, the justification for anti-semitism

If your religion says, "It's okay for us to steal someone else's land and oppress them, and then genocide them when they fight back", that's not a racial issue, it's a religious issue.

and anyone who believes they are living on stolen land is confessing to the crime of knowingly being in possession of stolen property and is admitting their guilt, if it is a white liberal they will try and confess for others as is their history with everything they have done...do you live on stolen land joe? do you owe minorities money joe?...with a confession it is time for you to pay up, not try and get others to share your admitted guilt or foot the bill for you.

Wow, really, what do you base that on?

Several people using the same writing style and talking about the same issues for um, what reason, exactly?

"um", in true white liberal form you got it exactly backwards of course...at times the styles vary, noticeably, if they were the same style there would be nothing to base it on which is why you would have to make believe that the opposite is the case...it is the foundation in deception...and not the first time I made this claim but for some reason the first time you addresed it.

Mind you, even though I have nearly 200,000 posts here over 15 years, people keep making assumptions about me that are wrong.

I've been accused of being black, gay, Jewish (yes, really), ex-Mormon, ex-Catholic, Muslim, a Chinese spy, a Russian troll, and about everything else under the sun.

in 11 years I cannot remember you being called any of those things...just the obvious ones dealing with intelligence...

Nope. I'm just Joe from Chicago.

Yeah, where ya claim it is was impossible not to notice your governer was jewish

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Mind you, even though I have nearly 200,000 posts here over 15 years, people keep making assumptions about me that are wrong.

I've been accused of being black, gay, Jewish (yes, really), ex-Mormon, ex-Catholic, Muslim, a Chinese spy, a Russian troll, and about everything else under the sun.

Which is why you should find nothing odd about someone else saying it and yet you do...the style of the posts change back and forth from time to time, and it's obvious.

 

[Hafar1014]

Keep living with your delusions.

Wasn't this war supposed to be over weaks ago?

Oh, gasoline out by me is up to 4.69 a gallon. Up $1.70 since this thing started.

But we're totally winning, you guys!

The balance of power has changed in the Middle East. Why couldnt democrats do that. When Biden wrecked energy policy you made excuses. We are still better off and it just gets better and better because we have leader with functioning brain. How about that

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I'm just Joe from Chicago.

hmmm, it says "from" chicago, not "in" chicago...any reason for that?...what happened to Pa. joe?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The balance of power has changed in the Middle East.

Why couldnt democrats do that.

Maybe you should read upon the SS St. Louis that was denied docking rights in Miami.

You should, too. Cuba and South America refused them first, and then there is the fact they were running from you and your relatives insanity. How many other countries are there, again? Who has the largest number of Jewish residents outside of Israel, again? How many Jews did you and your relatives murder, again? Any excuses for why such a large number of the survivors wanted to leave the Soviet Union and its Polish puppet state? Want to make up excuses for the Muslim countries expelling over 700,000 Jews after the war? Take your time.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

You don't have an argument.

If Muslims were happy with their Jewish neighbors, you wouldn't have a boot on their necks in Gaza and the West Bank.

That’s a useless thing to say. Another one.

 

[Churchill]

Honest people admit that the extreme and one-sided hatred against the Jewish state is often - I’d argue almost always - driven by antisemitism, and is a way Jew-haters think they can get away with smearing Jews. They always say, “I’m not against all Jews.,…just the ones who support Israel.” The following are examples of how condemnation against Israel reveals - or worse, advances! - antisemitism:

1. Punishing ALL Jews for Israel’s actions. For example, marching around schools chanting “Death to Jews!,” setting up No Jew Zones, or not allowing a Jewish student to serve on the student body unless she denounces Israel.

2. Using coded language as a substitute or dog whistle for Jews. Saying “Zionist” instead of Jew, when they are almost the identical thing given that almost 90% of Jews support Israel’s right to exist.

3. Using steroetypes or Hitler as part of the criticism. Saying that “Zionists” own Congress or that Israelis are like Nazis.

4. Denying the Jewish people the same rights that other ethnic groups have or aspire to. Calling for the abolishment of Israel or telling Jews they should leave the country and return to Europe, where 2/3rds of Jews were murdered.

5. Describing the Israeli people as uniquely evil by spreading lies and conspiracy theories. Saying that Israelis enjoy killing children or that they are deliberately killing innocent civilians.

6. I will add one more of my own: Double standards where it applies to Israel. Engaging in nationwide protests to “free the Palestinians” and having virtually none to free the Iranians, being killed by the tens of thousands by Islamic savages.

Criticism of Israel vs. Antisemitism - Jewish Community Relations Council

JCRC Bay Area is the largest collective voice of the Jewish community across San Francisco, the Peninsula, Marin, Sonoma, Napa, Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.

jcrc.org

Speaking of antisemitism, why do you support it?

Iranian Synagogue 'Completely Destroyed,' Reportedly By US-Israeli Airstrike | Common Dreams

The representative for Iran's Jewish community in Parliament said Israel "showed no mercy... during the Jewish holidays and attacked one of our ancient and holy synagogues."

www.commondreams.org