Oy! Those Crafty Jews!

[MisterBeale]

What's 'their land'?

The land that their ancestors have ruled over and possessed for hundreds and hundreds of years before the colonial Zionists from Europe invaded them.

 

[MisterBeale]

What did Rubio tell you?

 

[MisterBeale]

You're a hamas sympathizer.

If you are just going to throw out the ad hom, you will be ignored. I get that you know you are losing this argument, but that is not necessary.

Do better.

 

[georgephillip]

What's your definition of genocide? Did you make up a new one so you could use the word?

"GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today. The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it."

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...itted-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

 

[georgephillip]

There are too many false premises in your stupid post for it to be of value to anyone, you Jew hating butt f*cker.

You didn't name one, much less disprove any of their claims.

Here's the rancid, sh*t-stain, psychopaths you appear to support:

 

[OldFlame]

The land that their ancestors have ruled over and possessed for hundreds and hundreds of years before the colonial Zionists from Europe invaded them.

Meaning the entirety of Israel?

Why were the Jews in Europe to begin with?
What about all of the displaced Jews from arab lands that got zero compensation?

 

[OldFlame]

If you are just going to throw out the ad hom, you will be ignored. I get that you know you are losing this argument, but that is not necessary.

Do better.

Do better? lol Superiority complex much?

You won't answer the question will you, because that's exactly what you are.

 

[MisterBeale]

Meaning the entirety of Israel?

Why were the Jews in Europe to begin with?
What about all of the displaced Jews from arab lands that got zero compensation?

I'm an American. I have liberal enlightenment values given to me by my ancestors.

I do not believe in penalizing anyone for the sins of their father. The solution in my book is to make the entire area one state, and give everyone equal rights in that state.

The rest can be worked out politically once that is done.


As far as why Jews were in Europe? Given the genetic evidence, it seems probable that the story about Russia invading and putting the Khazars to the sword if they did not flee after they were forced to choose a religion, which they did not strictly follow, is more than likely probably true.


. . . as far as displaced Jews from Arab lands? I don't know anything about that issue. I suspect it is mostly propaganda.
But if it is true, those Arab nations should probably face some global consequences for causing folks to have to flee. . . NON VIOLENT.

 

[MisterBeale]

Do better? lol Superiority complex much?

You won't answer the question will you, because that's exactly what you are.

Nope. We have both been members here for years, I know that you are intelligent enough to have a conversation without resorting to fallacies.

In that post, you mangled my arguments into a straw-man to suit your agenda, and then you deployed a poisoning the well fallacy.

Are you telling me you aren't smarter than that?

 

[Captain Creeper]

You didn't name one, much less disprove any of their claims.

Here's the rancid, sh*t-stain, psychopaths you appear to support:

He is, however, not the scumbag PaLeStinIan filth that spawns monsters who murder innocent women and children.

george, you are human trash.

 

[georgephillip]

He is, however, not the scumbag PaLeStinIan filth that spawns monsters who murder innocent women and children.

george, you are human trash.

Your hero?

GoogleAI Overview:

"Itamar Ben-Gvir is a far-right Israeli politician and attorney currently serving as the Minister of National Security (as of March 2025). He has a long history of anti-Arab activism and far-right extremist views, which have resulted in multiple criminal convictions, including support for a terrorist organization and incitement to racism.

The New Yorker +4
"Criminal History and Convictions

• "Convictions: Ben-Gvir has been indicted dozens of times and convicted at least eight times, with charges including incitement to racism and supporting a terrorist organization"

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Oy! Those Crafty Jews

Antisemitism is an ancient concept which has just now moved back above the fold.

www.americanthinker.com

I place this post here, in Current Events, because expressing hatred for Jews is in the news a lot these days. Hating on Jews has been a favorite pastime for many a folk with grievance for quite a long time. The last really big anti-Jew movement was back during the 1930s and 1940s. But then Hitler screwed it up by taking it too far. Today's Jew hatred is based upon the Muslim model. Since it has gotten really ramped up, you now see all sorts of Jew hatred crawling out of the woodwork, both from the right and the left. A lot of folks out there just PLAIN HATE THE JEWS!

I have long espoused the theory that the term "Zionism" is a dog-whistle for anti-Semitism. It is code. You will read people condemning Zionism vehemently, then ridiculously arguing that it does not equate to antisemitism. Then, if you disagree with them and their objections to so-called "Zionism", the claim "Well, you just don't understand, man...". In all of their morass of pseudo-intellectual garbage there are 2 facts. First, the people who espouse anti-Zionism are either (a) Muslims who want to violently murder all Jews, or (b) antisemitic bigots. Second, the non-muslim antisemitic bigots' intellectual capacity is right on par with the run-of-the-mill conspiratorialist. Sure, such a person may be "intelligent" in some form. But they are too goofy to know their limitations or too brain-fried to discipline their work with logic.

What is Zionism? It essentially is a broad notion that Jews have a right to a homeland and self-determination free of those people who want to murder them. In fact, the UN agreed with them in 1947 and recognized Israel as the Jewish state. This entire idea is not knew. For example, Russia has been barbarically invaded for centuries. As a result, they like to have a buffer around them. Most recently with the Soviet Union, the used the Eastern European countries (the spoils of Stalin's campaign to destroy the Nazis). Even today you see the tendency in Putin to want to buffer Russia's borders. Likewise, the Jews desired a peaceful existence, secure from all of the antisemitic violence that had stalked them for centuries. Thus, in theory, this is pretty sound thinking and quite rational.
What about Zionism in practice? What, if any, non-Jews are disadvantaged by Israel's Zionism? In my opinion, nobody worth a damn is affected. Essentially, you have the descendants of nomadic Arabs in the Gaza, the West Bank, and Golan Heights. These people want to violently murder all Jews and their children. Why? Are they just a wee bit miffed over Zionistic dislocation? If so, then today's antizionists may have some degree of a point. However, anti-Jewish hatred and violence long predates Zionism. They hate the Jews. Period.

Gazans essentially had self-rule over Gaza a couple of years ago when Hamas sent murderers across their border and into Israel to murder, rape, and kidnap innocents. Reprisal for Zionism? I think not. The fact is that the so-called Palestinian people could have had their own sovereign state YEARS AGO (under Arafat) had they simply played ball. But they did not. They allowed themselves to fall victim to their hatred of Jews and largely lost the opportunity, and all because they refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist (which every nation-state on Earth already acknowledged). Instead, they were necessarily subjected to Israeli security actions. They were not oppressed by Israel at this time. But Hamas had proven itself to be so dangerous and irrational that Israel had to take action. It would have been malfeasance if they did not act to protect themselves.

As I previously mentioned, there are 2 types of people who rant about Zionism. First, there are the Jew-hating muslims. They are a lost cause. No rehabilitation for them is possible as a group. Then there are the non-muslim goof balls. I wonder about these people. What kind of nitwit, in light of the facts I set forth herein and the modern history of this region, can actually rant at Israel over Zionism. Are they completely stupid? I will say this: When these people are confronted with fact and educated argument, they (1) get angry, thereby exposing and irrational bias; and (2) resort to the simplistic mantra "Zionism". The term "Zionism" itself is quite open to interpretation. Does the term genuinely include all the mischief alleged by the antizionists, or are they misusing, and abusing the term, to justify their anti-Semitic bigotry?

Think about this. Who benefits from anti-Zionism? The so-called Palestinians people, who are led by Hamas, a violent Jihadist terror group. Why is Hamas leading the Palestinian people (at least, in Gaza)" Because the "Palestinian" people want them to lead. Are the West Bank Arabs any better off under the PA? They do tend to be a little more tightly wrapped. But they are just as giddy about murdering Jews. These people would gladly blow up and otherwise murder Christians, gays, women, whatever does not comport to their beliefs. They are not good people. They are not civilized. They are not democratic. They are a bunch of Fred Flintstones. Even other Arab countries do not want them. THIS IS WHO YOU ANTI-ZIONIST PEOPLE ARE ALIGNING YOURSELVES WITH. That is DISGUSTING.

Anything that diminishes Israel's right to defend its people, even with the strictest interpretation of Zionism you want to give it, is asking Israel to sacrifice some of its own people. I can think of little more than is more anti-Semitic than this, other than gas chambers and ovens. Therein lies the rub. With each and every one of you antizionist ding-dongs out there, the result of you getting your way is that there will be more dead Jews. And you clearly do not have a problem with this.

A lot of the points you make is basically you talking to yourself. Not many people, including pro Palestinians or critics of Israel actually believe what you’re saying you think that they believe

Anyway A number of groups of history have been exterminated and completely wiped out. Jews are not one of them. Anti-Jew is not a favorite past time of history. It’s quite interesting. There’s one thing that Nazis and a number of Zionists have in common which is The racist viewpoint that Jews cannot live among non-Jews.



Jews have thrived in many countries, including the United States. There are more Jews living outside of Israel compared to in Israel.

Brother you know you appear to be this very vehement Zionist. Not just that but a Zionist who over hype’s bigotet and who honestly reminds me of a cancel culture person… looking at your avatar looking at some of your other posts its a slight surprise but oh well it is what it is.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Oy! Those Crafty Jews

Antisemitism is an ancient concept which has just now moved back above the fold.

www.americanthinker.com

I place this post here, in Current Events, because expressing hatred for Jews is in the news a lot these days. Hating on Jews has been a favorite pastime for many a folk with grievance for quite a long time. The last really big anti-Jew movement was back during the 1930s and 1940s. But then Hitler screwed it up by taking it too far. Today's Jew hatred is based upon the Muslim model. Since it has gotten really ramped up, you now see all sorts of Jew hatred crawling out of the woodwork, both from the right and the left. A lot of folks out there just PLAIN HATE THE JEWS!

I have long espoused the theory that the term "Zionism" is a dog-whistle for anti-Semitism. It is code. You will read people condemning Zionism vehemently, then ridiculously arguing that it does not equate to antisemitism. Then, if you disagree with them and their objections to so-called "Zionism", the claim "Well, you just don't understand, man...". In all of their morass of pseudo-intellectual garbage there are 2 facts. First, the people who espouse anti-Zionism are either (a) Muslims who want to violently murder all Jews, or (b) antisemitic bigots. Second, the non-muslim antisemitic bigots' intellectual capacity is right on par with the run-of-the-mill conspiratorialist. Sure, such a person may be "intelligent" in some form. But they are too goofy to know their limitations or too brain-fried to discipline their work with logic.

What is Zionism? It essentially is a broad notion that Jews have a right to a homeland and self-determination free of those people who want to murder them. In fact, the UN agreed with them in 1947 and recognized Israel as the Jewish state. This entire idea is not knew. For example, Russia has been barbarically invaded for centuries. As a result, they like to have a buffer around them. Most recently with the Soviet Union, the used the Eastern European countries (the spoils of Stalin's campaign to destroy the Nazis). Even today you see the tendency in Putin to want to buffer Russia's borders. Likewise, the Jews desired a peaceful existence, secure from all of the antisemitic violence that had stalked them for centuries. Thus, in theory, this is pretty sound thinking and quite rational.
What about Zionism in practice? What, if any, non-Jews are disadvantaged by Israel's Zionism? In my opinion, nobody worth a damn is affected. Essentially, you have the descendants of nomadic Arabs in the Gaza, the West Bank, and Golan Heights. These people want to violently murder all Jews and their children. Why? Are they just a wee bit miffed over Zionistic dislocation? If so, then today's antizionists may have some degree of a point. However, anti-Jewish hatred and violence long predates Zionism. They hate the Jews. Period.

Gazans essentially had self-rule over Gaza a couple of years ago when Hamas sent murderers across their border and into Israel to murder, rape, and kidnap innocents. Reprisal for Zionism? I think not. The fact is that the so-called Palestinian people could have had their own sovereign state YEARS AGO (under Arafat) had they simply played ball. But they did not. They allowed themselves to fall victim to their hatred of Jews and largely lost the opportunity, and all because they refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist (which every nation-state on Earth already acknowledged). Instead, they were necessarily subjected to Israeli security actions. They were not oppressed by Israel at this time. But Hamas had proven itself to be so dangerous and irrational that Israel had to take action. It would have been malfeasance if they did not act to protect themselves.

As I previously mentioned, there are 2 types of people who rant about Zionism. First, there are the Jew-hating muslims. They are a lost cause. No rehabilitation for them is possible as a group. Then there are the non-muslim goof balls. I wonder about these people. What kind of nitwit, in light of the facts I set forth herein and the modern history of this region, can actually rant at Israel over Zionism. Are they completely stupid? I will say this: When these people are confronted with fact and educated argument, they (1) get angry, thereby exposing and irrational bias; and (2) resort to the simplistic mantra "Zionism". The term "Zionism" itself is quite open to interpretation. Does the term genuinely include all the mischief alleged by the antizionists, or are they misusing, and abusing the term, to justify their anti-Semitic bigotry?

Think about this. Who benefits from anti-Zionism? The so-called Palestinians people, who are led by Hamas, a violent Jihadist terror group. Why is Hamas leading the Palestinian people (at least, in Gaza)" Because the "Palestinian" people want them to lead. Are the West Bank Arabs any better off under the PA? They do tend to be a little more tightly wrapped. But they are just as giddy about murdering Jews. These people would gladly blow up and otherwise murder Christians, gays, women, whatever does not comport to their beliefs. They are not good people. They are not civilized. They are not democratic. They are a bunch of Fred Flintstones. Even other Arab countries do not want them. THIS IS WHO YOU ANTI-ZIONIST PEOPLE ARE ALIGNING YOURSELVES WITH. That is DISGUSTING.

Anything that diminishes Israel's right to defend its people, even with the strictest interpretation of Zionism you want to give it, is asking Israel to sacrifice some of its own people. I can think of little more than is more anti-Semitic than this, other than gas chambers and ovens. Therein lies the rub. With each and every one of you antizionist ding-dongs out there, the result of you getting your way is that there will be more dead Jews. And you clearly do not have a problem with this.

Here,

Long live the Lionheart

 

[georgephillip]

There’s one thing that Nazis and a number of Zionists have in common which is The racist viewpoint that Jews cannot live among non-Jews.

Yet there does appear to exist a minority of Jews and non-Jews who are not capable of living in close proximity to the other.

Since Jews are a very small percentage of the global population, they absorb most of the blame, perhaps deservedly in some individual cases?

Antisemitism - Wikipedia

"Antisemitism has been explained in terms of racism, xenophobia, projected guilt, displaced aggression, conspiracy theory, and the search for a scapegoat.

"Antisemitism scholar Lars Fischer writes that 'scholars distinguish between theories that assume an actual causal (rather than merely coincidental) correlation between what (some) Jews do and antisemitic perceptions (correspondence theories), on the one hand, and those predicated on the notion that no such causal correlation exists and that "the Jews" serve as a foil for the projection of antisemitic assumptions, on the other.'"

 

[The Duke]

Huckabee lays it down here, and this is my mindset as well:

 

[georgephillip]

Huckabee lays it down here, and this is my mindset as well:

Legally, the US is NOT a Christian nation least of all an Old Testament state led by rabid religious fundamentalists willing to genocide perceived enemies.

Israel is currently led by religious fundamentalists; should US ground troop sustain heavy casualties in any land operation in Iran, put the blame where it belongs.

 

[Woodznutz]

Oy! Those Crafty Jews

Antisemitism is an ancient concept which has just now moved back above the fold.

www.americanthinker.com

I place this post here, in Current Events, because expressing hatred for Jews is in the news a lot these days. Hating on Jews has been a favorite pastime for many a folk with grievance for quite a long time. The last really big anti-Jew movement was back during the 1930s and 1940s. But then Hitler screwed it up by taking it too far. Today's Jew hatred is based upon the Muslim model. Since it has gotten really ramped up, you now see all sorts of Jew hatred crawling out of the woodwork, both from the right and the left. A lot of folks out there just PLAIN HATE THE JEWS!

I have long espoused the theory that the term "Zionism" is a dog-whistle for anti-Semitism. It is code. You will read people condemning Zionism vehemently, then ridiculously arguing that it does not equate to antisemitism. Then, if you disagree with them and their objections to so-called "Zionism", the claim "Well, you just don't understand, man...". In all of their morass of pseudo-intellectual garbage there are 2 facts. First, the people who espouse anti-Zionism are either (a) Muslims who want to violently murder all Jews, or (b) antisemitic bigots. Second, the non-muslim antisemitic bigots' intellectual capacity is right on par with the run-of-the-mill conspiratorialist. Sure, such a person may be "intelligent" in some form. But they are too goofy to know their limitations or too brain-fried to discipline their work with logic.

What is Zionism? It essentially is a broad notion that Jews have a right to a homeland and self-determination free of those people who want to murder them. In fact, the UN agreed with them in 1947 and recognized Israel as the Jewish state. This entire idea is not knew. For example, Russia has been barbarically invaded for centuries. As a result, they like to have a buffer around them. Most recently with the Soviet Union, the used the Eastern European countries (the spoils of Stalin's campaign to destroy the Nazis). Even today you see the tendency in Putin to want to buffer Russia's borders. Likewise, the Jews desired a peaceful existence, secure from all of the antisemitic violence that had stalked them for centuries. Thus, in theory, this is pretty sound thinking and quite rational.
What about Zionism in practice? What, if any, non-Jews are disadvantaged by Israel's Zionism? In my opinion, nobody worth a damn is affected. Essentially, you have the descendants of nomadic Arabs in the Gaza, the West Bank, and Golan Heights. These people want to violently murder all Jews and their children. Why? Are they just a wee bit miffed over Zionistic dislocation? If so, then today's antizionists may have some degree of a point. However, anti-Jewish hatred and violence long predates Zionism. They hate the Jews. Period.

Gazans essentially had self-rule over Gaza a couple of years ago when Hamas sent murderers across their border and into Israel to murder, rape, and kidnap innocents. Reprisal for Zionism? I think not. The fact is that the so-called Palestinian people could have had their own sovereign state YEARS AGO (under Arafat) had they simply played ball. But they did not. They allowed themselves to fall victim to their hatred of Jews and largely lost the opportunity, and all because they refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist (which every nation-state on Earth already acknowledged). Instead, they were necessarily subjected to Israeli security actions. They were not oppressed by Israel at this time. But Hamas had proven itself to be so dangerous and irrational that Israel had to take action. It would have been malfeasance if they did not act to protect themselves.

As I previously mentioned, there are 2 types of people who rant about Zionism. First, there are the Jew-hating muslims. They are a lost cause. No rehabilitation for them is possible as a group. Then there are the non-muslim goof balls. I wonder about these people. What kind of nitwit, in light of the facts I set forth herein and the modern history of this region, can actually rant at Israel over Zionism. Are they completely stupid? I will say this: When these people are confronted with fact and educated argument, they (1) get angry, thereby exposing and irrational bias; and (2) resort to the simplistic mantra "Zionism". The term "Zionism" itself is quite open to interpretation. Does the term genuinely include all the mischief alleged by the antizionists, or are they misusing, and abusing the term, to justify their anti-Semitic bigotry?

Think about this. Who benefits from anti-Zionism? The so-called Palestinians people, who are led by Hamas, a violent Jihadist terror group. Why is Hamas leading the Palestinian people (at least, in Gaza)" Because the "Palestinian" people want them to lead. Are the West Bank Arabs any better off under the PA? They do tend to be a little more tightly wrapped. But they are just as giddy about murdering Jews. These people would gladly blow up and otherwise murder Christians, gays, women, whatever does not comport to their beliefs. They are not good people. They are not civilized. They are not democratic. They are a bunch of Fred Flintstones. Even other Arab countries do not want them. THIS IS WHO YOU ANTI-ZIONIST PEOPLE ARE ALIGNING YOURSELVES WITH. That is DISGUSTING.

Anything that diminishes Israel's right to defend its people, even with the strictest interpretation of Zionism you want to give it, is asking Israel to sacrifice some of its own people. I can think of little more than is more anti-Semitic than this, other than gas chambers and ovens. Therein lies the rub. With each and every one of you antizionist ding-dongs out there, the result of you getting your way is that there will be more dead Jews. And you clearly do not have a problem with this.

Zionism is the belief in a Jewish nation, one that doesn't have specific borders.

 

[rosends]

The land that their ancestors have ruled over and possessed for hundreds and hundreds of years before the colonial Zionists from Europe invaded them.

So you mean the Ottomans?

 

[rosends]

as far as displaced Jews from Arab lands? I don't know anything about that issue. I suspect it is mostly propaganda.

Seriously? That 1 million Jews were displaced is propaganda?

Justice For Jews from Arab Countries

justiceforjews.com

 

[Lisa558]

Seriously? That 1 million Jews were displaced is propaganda?

Justice For Jews from Arab Countries

justiceforjews.com

Shows how anti-Jew that former mod is.