Oy! Those Crafty Jews!

[georgephillip]

I do not believe in penalizing anyone for the sins of their father. The solution in my book is to make the entire area one state, and give everyone equal rights in that state.

If your solution requires a special breed of UN peacekeepers (US and UK volunteers) in Israel/Palestine for at least a generation, would you still support the effort?

 

[MisterBeale]

If your solution requires a special breed of UN peacekeepers (US and UK volunteers) in Israel/Palestine for at least a generation, would you still support the effort?

That wouldn't be necessary.

That solution can not be forced. Everyone needs to agree to it, otherwise their basic world views and how they raise their children would make it unworkable.

Government and rulers are the least effective way to go about doing things IMO.

In short, no.
The UN doesn't really care about anyone, it is only a vehicle to enslave the planet.

 

[georgephillip]

That wouldn't be necessary.

That solution can not be forced. Everyone needs to agree to it, otherwise their basic world views and how they raise their children would make it unworkable.

Government and rulers are the least effective way to go about doing things IMO.

In short, no.
The UN doesn't really care about anyone, it is only a vehicle to enslave the planet.

A one state solution forces a choice between Zionism, a Jewish state ensuring self-determination, and Palestinian nationalism, the demand for a binational civic state in historic Palestine.

This is not a simple policy disagreement; it is existential on both sides.

Imho, the hatred is too deep on both sides to expect them to peacefully coexist without external pressure.

 

[MisterBeale]

Imho, the hatred is too deep on both sides to expect them to peacefully coexist without external pressure.

You are likely correct. This is why you have so many folks on this site that seem to support an ethnic cleansing.

. . . and it might be evidence that Pike's letter to Mazzini is real? Who knows.

 

[georgephillip]

You are likely correct. This is why you have so many folks on this site that seem to support an ethnic cleansing.

. . . and it might be evidence that Pike's letter to Mazzini is real? Who knows.

If the following link is accurate, Pike's (alleged) letter was on display until 1977

https://ia601900.us.archive.org/16/...-to-mazzini/Albert Pike Letter to Mazzini.pdf

"The following is a letter, that speculation claimed that Albert Pike wrote to Giuseppe Mazzini in1871 regarding a conspiracy involving three world wars, that were planned in an attempt to takeover the world.

"The Pike letter to Giuseppe Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London until 1977.

"This letter has been claimed by many internet sites to reside in the British Library in London, which denies the letter exists.•

"Giuseppe Mazzini was an Italian revolutionary leader of the mid 1800s as well as the Director of the Illuminati• Albert Pike (historical Masonic figure) was a 33rd degree Freemason, Occultist, Grand Master and creator of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Masonic Scottish Rite Order Following are apparently extracts from the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations."

 

[PeterPilot]

A one state solution forces a choice between Zionism, a Jewish state ensuring self-determination, and Palestinian nationalism, the demand for a binational civic state in historic Palestine.

This is not a simple policy disagreement; it is existential on both sides.

Imho, the hatred is too deep on both sides to expect them to peacefully coexist without external pressure.

I'm Irish, but I'm aware of a number of conscientious and intelligent Jews who point out that Zionism IS NOT Judaism. Einstein and others pointed that out in 1948.

So your claim that the only choice is between Zionism and a Jewish State and a Palestinian State seems to be false and invalid. What about a Jewish homeland without statehood? What about a return to peaceful Jews and Palestinians living and working side by side without one attempting to stealing the others land in accordance with religious psychobabble as found in the Torah and Talmud?

 

[georgephillip]

I'm Irish, but I'm aware of a number of conscientious and intelligent Jews who point out that Zionism IS NOT Judaism. Einstein and others pointed that out in 1948

In 1946 Einstein and others called for a Jewish Homeland but not a separate state since Jews were one-third of the Palestinian population at that time.

Interestingly, "homeland" was the word used in the Balfour Declaration in 1917; although, at that time the British were more interested in creating a colony of white-supremacists at the origins of the Suez Canal.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

So your claim that the only choice is between Zionism and a Jewish State and a Palestinian State seems to be false and invalid. What about a Jewish homeland without statehood? What about a return to peaceful Jews and Palestinians living and working side by side without one attempting to stealing the others land in accordance with religious psychobabble as found in the Torah and Talmud?

Another Einstein letter in 1948 revealed his concern for a fascist cohort taking power in Israel:

Letter to the New York Times

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 'Freedom Party' (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.

"It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States."

 

[toomuchtime_]

In 1946 Einstein and others called for a Jewish Homeland but not a separate state since Jews were one-third of the Palestinian population at that time.

Interestingly, "homeland" was the word used in the Balfour Declaration in 1917; although, at that time the British were more interested in creating a colony of white-supremacists at the origins of the Suez Canal.

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia

Homeland was also the word used by the League of Nations when it gave Britain the Mandate for Palestine, and since virtually the whole third world at that time was controlled by Europeans imperialists, homeland and not nation was the proper term. In fact, it was not until 1930 that the World Zionist Organization began talking about a separate Jewish nation in Palestine and that came only after the treacherous Brits betrayed their pledge to help create a Jewish homeland under British auspices.

From the 6th century down to WWI right down to today all the conflict between the Jews and the Arabs has been caused by the Arabs' absolute refusal to live in peace with Jews.

 

[georgephillip]

From the 6th century down to WWI right down to today all the conflict between the Jews and the Arabs has been caused by the Arabs' absolute refusal to live in peace with Jews.

Long before the 6th Century (CE) Jews were being persecuted from Russia to England. Anti-Semitism has a two thousand year history; it is known as "the Longest Hatred,"

A small percentage of Jews have been consistently engaging in activities across thousands of years and miles that result in millions of Jews being persecuted in revenge.

The Holocaust

 

[OldFlame]

Just look at the circle jerk in here with all of the Jew hating assholes, you just keep displaying exactly what you all are.

 

[Lisa558]

Just look at the circle jerk in here with all of the Jew hating assholes, you just keep displaying exactly what you all are.

It really has gotten bad, hasn’t it?

I can’t imagine that bigots would be able to get away with such disgusting threads dumping on blacks.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Long before the 6th Century (CE) Jews were being persecuted from Russia to England. Anti-Semitism has a two thousand year history; it is known as "the Longest Hatred,"

A small percentage of Jews have been consistently engaging in activities across thousands of years and miles that result in millions of Jews being persecuted in revenge.

The Holocaust

Of course your post does not even address my statement that all the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews is caused by the Arabs' absolute refusal to live in peace with Jews.

So it would seem the only message you wanted to deliver is that you hate Jews but have no idea why.

 

[PeterPilot]

Another Einstein letter in 1948 revealed his concern for a fascist cohort taking power in Israel:

Letter to the New York Times

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the 'Freedom Party' (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.

"It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States."

He was right, thanks for making my point. He knew the Irgun faction was violent idealogues. He knew that statehood would put them in charge. 70 years passage of time has proved him right in his assessment.

 

[OldFlame]

Long before the 6th Century (CE) Jews were being persecuted from Russia to England. Anti-Semitism has a two thousand year history; it is known as "the Longest Hatred,"

A small percentage of Jews have been consistently engaging in activities across thousands of years and miles that result in millions of Jews being persecuted in revenge.

The Holocaust

What activities have they been 'consistently engaging' in for 2000 years that calls for hate and murder?

 

[Oddball]

Oy! Those Crafty Jews

Antisemitism is an ancient concept which has just now moved back above the fold.

www.americanthinker.com

I place this post here, in Current Events, because expressing hatred for Jews is in the news a lot these days. Hating on Jews has been a favorite pastime for many a folk with grievance for quite a long time. The last really big anti-Jew movement was back during the 1930s and 1940s. But then Hitler screwed it up by taking it too far. Today's Jew hatred is based upon the Muslim model. Since it has gotten really ramped up, you now see all sorts of Jew hatred crawling out of the woodwork, both from the right and the left. A lot of folks out there just PLAIN HATE THE JEWS!

I have long espoused the theory that the term "Zionism" is a dog-whistle for anti-Semitism. It is code. You will read people condemning Zionism vehemently, then ridiculously arguing that it does not equate to antisemitism. Then, if you disagree with them and their objections to so-called "Zionism", the claim "Well, you just don't understand, man...". In all of their morass of pseudo-intellectual garbage there are 2 facts. First, the people who espouse anti-Zionism are either (a) Muslims who want to violently murder all Jews, or (b) antisemitic bigots. Second, the non-muslim antisemitic bigots' intellectual capacity is right on par with the run-of-the-mill conspiratorialist. Sure, such a person may be "intelligent" in some form. But they are too goofy to know their limitations or too brain-fried to discipline their work with logic.

What is Zionism? It essentially is a broad notion that Jews have a right to a homeland and self-determination free of those people who want to murder them. In fact, the UN agreed with them in 1947 and recognized Israel as the Jewish state. This entire idea is not knew. For example, Russia has been barbarically invaded for centuries. As a result, they like to have a buffer around them. Most recently with the Soviet Union, the used the Eastern European countries (the spoils of Stalin's campaign to destroy the Nazis). Even today you see the tendency in Putin to want to buffer Russia's borders. Likewise, the Jews desired a peaceful existence, secure from all of the antisemitic violence that had stalked them for centuries. Thus, in theory, this is pretty sound thinking and quite rational.
What about Zionism in practice? What, if any, non-Jews are disadvantaged by Israel's Zionism? In my opinion, nobody worth a damn is affected. Essentially, you have the descendants of nomadic Arabs in the Gaza, the West Bank, and Golan Heights. These people want to violently murder all Jews and their children. Why? Are they just a wee bit miffed over Zionistic dislocation? If so, then today's antizionists may have some degree of a point. However, anti-Jewish hatred and violence long predates Zionism. They hate the Jews. Period.

Gazans essentially had self-rule over Gaza a couple of years ago when Hamas sent murderers across their border and into Israel to murder, rape, and kidnap innocents. Reprisal for Zionism? I think not. The fact is that the so-called Palestinian people could have had their own sovereign state YEARS AGO (under Arafat) had they simply played ball. But they did not. They allowed themselves to fall victim to their hatred of Jews and largely lost the opportunity, and all because they refused to acknowledge Israel's right to exist (which every nation-state on Earth already acknowledged). Instead, they were necessarily subjected to Israeli security actions. They were not oppressed by Israel at this time. But Hamas had proven itself to be so dangerous and irrational that Israel had to take action. It would have been malfeasance if they did not act to protect themselves.

As I previously mentioned, there are 2 types of people who rant about Zionism. First, there are the Jew-hating muslims. They are a lost cause. No rehabilitation for them is possible as a group. Then there are the non-muslim goof balls. I wonder about these people. What kind of nitwit, in light of the facts I set forth herein and the modern history of this region, can actually rant at Israel over Zionism. Are they completely stupid? I will say this: When these people are confronted with fact and educated argument, they (1) get angry, thereby exposing and irrational bias; and (2) resort to the simplistic mantra "Zionism". The term "Zionism" itself is quite open to interpretation. Does the term genuinely include all the mischief alleged by the antizionists, or are they misusing, and abusing the term, to justify their anti-Semitic bigotry?

Think about this. Who benefits from anti-Zionism? The so-called Palestinians people, who are led by Hamas, a violent Jihadist terror group. Why is Hamas leading the Palestinian people (at least, in Gaza)" Because the "Palestinian" people want them to lead. Are the West Bank Arabs any better off under the PA? They do tend to be a little more tightly wrapped. But they are just as giddy about murdering Jews. These people would gladly blow up and otherwise murder Christians, gays, women, whatever does not comport to their beliefs. They are not good people. They are not civilized. They are not democratic. They are a bunch of Fred Flintstones. Even other Arab countries do not want them. THIS IS WHO YOU ANTI-ZIONIST PEOPLE ARE ALIGNING YOURSELVES WITH. That is DISGUSTING.

Anything that diminishes Israel's right to defend its people, even with the strictest interpretation of Zionism you want to give it, is asking Israel to sacrifice some of its own people. I can think of little more than is more anti-Semitic than this, other than gas chambers and ovens. Therein lies the rub. With each and every one of you antizionist ding-dongs out there, the result of you getting your way is that there will be more dead Jews. And you clearly do not have a problem with this.

 

[Ringo]

 

[georgephillip]

What activities have they been 'consistently engaging' in for 2000 years that calls for hate and murder?

Perhaps a small percentage of Jews have behaved like barbaric misanthropes over thousands of years?

History of antisemitism - Wikipedia

"The ancient Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria describes an attack on Jews in Alexandria in 38 CE in which thousands of Jews died.

"The violence in Alexandria may have been caused by the Jews' being portrayed as misanthropic.

"Tcherikover argues that the reason for the hatred of Jews in the Hellenistic period was their separateness in the Greek cities, the poleis.

"However, Bohak has argued that early animosity against the Jews cannot be regarded as being anti-Judaic or antisemitic unless it arose from attitudes that were held against the Jews alone, because many Greeks showed animosity towards any group which they considered barbaric."

As far as current events are concerned, Israeli Jews seem to believe they are entitled to steal Arab land in Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine and maim, murder, and'or displace millions of their victims.

Does that sound kosher, to you?

 

[toomuchtime_]

He was right, thanks for making my point. He knew the Irgun faction was violent idealogues. He knew that statehood would put them in charge. 70 years passage of time has proved him right in his assessment.

Einstein was also mistaken about quantum theory. Remember it was Begin who signed the peace treaty with Egypt. The Arabs' absolute refusal to live in peace with the Jews made the creation of the Jewish state of Israel the only way the Jews could protect themselves. It was the Arabs, not the Jews who rejection peaceful coexistence and thereby made the creation of the state of Israel inevitable.

 

[OldFlame]

Perhaps a small percentage of Jews have behaved like barbaric misanthropes over thousands of years?

History of antisemitism - Wikipedia

"The ancient Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria describes an attack on Jews in Alexandria in 38 CE in which thousands of Jews died.

"The violence in Alexandria may have been caused by the Jews' being portrayed as misanthropic.

"Tcherikover argues that the reason for the hatred of Jews in the Hellenistic period was their separateness in the Greek cities, the poleis.

"However, Bohak has argued that early animosity against the Jews cannot be regarded as being anti-Judaic or antisemitic unless it arose from attitudes that were held against the Jews alone, because many Greeks showed animosity towards any group which they considered barbaric."

As far as current events are concerned, Israeli Jews seem to believe they are entitled to steal Arab land in Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine and maim, murder, and'or displace millions of their victims.

Does that sound kosher, to you?

You posted a bunch of words and still didn't answer the question, because you can't.

How many muzzies have behaved like barbaric misanthropes over hundreds of years?