Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[BS Filter]

To the point:


Are Judaism and Christianity two different religions?

Are Catholicism and Protestanism two different religions?

Difficult questions to answer in the way they're framed. Judaism served the purpose of revealing God's law and what a person would have to do to meet God's perfection. Jesus is the only one who met those demands. So in that way, Judaism and Christianity are tied together.

Catholicism is similar to Judaism in the manner that it's just dead religion. Protestantism is only correct if you believe that your good works are meaningless unless your faith is in Jesus.

 

[alang1216]

Then how do you explain Jews today who don't believe in hell. Atheists have an unhealthy fixation on heaven and hell. I have never heard anything about heaven or hell in mass or from a priest. Why do you care so much about it?

They are theological concepts which tend to separate religious traditions, the subject of this thread.

I have never heard anything about heaven or hell in mass or from a priest:

It is unusual to attend Catholic Mass regularly and never hear references to heaven or hell, as they are fundamental concepts in Catholic theology and are mentioned in Scripture readings, prayers, and homilies [1]. However, the emphasis on these topics can vary depending on the specific Mass or the priest giving the homily.
Here are a few potential reasons for this:

• Focus on the Liturgical Season: A priest might choose to focus more heavily on themes related to the specific liturgical season (e.g., Advent, Christmas, Lent, Easter) rather than general eschatology (the study of the "last things," including heaven and hell).
• Homiletic Style: Some priests may choose to emphasize God's mercy and the positive aspects of the faith over the warnings associated with hell, focusing instead on how to live a holy life and build the Kingdom of God on Earth.
• Scripture Selection: While the concepts are throughout the Bible, specific Sunday Mass readings might not directly mention heaven or hell every week. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) provides the official daily readings.
• Assumed Knowledge: A priest might assume that the congregation is already familiar with these basic tenets of the faith from catechesis (religious education) or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and thus spend less time explaining them in detail during Mass.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Christianity has many different sects because there are many Christians. Judaism has less sects than Christianity because there are less people. Christianity is effectively a sect of Judaism but because the dogmas are so different it rises to a class of a different religion much the same that JW's and LDS are different religions.

I know you need to believe Catholics are idol worshipers but that just isn't the case.

Don't pretend to know something about me that you can't find in my quotes.

 

[BS Filter]

The two posts I have authored are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.

Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.

There is only one explanation .


One more:

• Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
• Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints

Agree. Praying to anyone other than the Father and Jesus is meaningless. Chanting a million Hail Marys is dead religion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Different sects of the same religion.

Yet you won't award the same to Jews.

Why is that?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Difficult questions to answer in the way they're framed. Judaism served the purpose of revealing God's law and what a person would have to do to meet God's perfection. Jesus is the only one who met those demands. So in that way, Judaism and Christianity are tied together.

Catholicism is similar to Judaism in the manner that it's just dead religion. Protestantism is only correct if you believe that your good works are meaningless unless your faith is in Jesus.

"good works"

One more significant difference....


But I like your perspective.

 

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They are theological concepts which tend to separate religious traditions, the subject of this thread.

I have never heard anything about heaven or hell in mass or from a priest:

It is unusual to attend Catholic Mass regularly and never hear references to heaven or hell, as they are fundamental concepts in Catholic theology and are mentioned in Scripture readings, prayers, and homilies [1]. However, the emphasis on these topics can vary depending on the specific Mass or the priest giving the homily.
Here are a few potential reasons for this:

• Focus on the Liturgical Season: A priest might choose to focus more heavily on themes related to the specific liturgical season (e.g., Advent, Christmas, Lent, Easter) rather than general eschatology (the study of the "last things," including heaven and hell).
• Homiletic Style: Some priests may choose to emphasize God's mercy and the positive aspects of the faith over the warnings associated with hell, focusing instead on how to live a holy life and build the Kingdom of God on Earth.
• Scripture Selection: While the concepts are throughout the Bible, specific Sunday Mass readings might not directly mention heaven or hell every week. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) provides the official daily readings.
• Assumed Knowledge: A priest might assume that the congregation is already familiar with these basic tenets of the faith from catechesis (religious education) or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and thus spend less time explaining them in detail during Mass.

Clearly Google AI has never attended mass. Our focus is on living. Maybe Google AI is thinking about protestants or atheists. But in Catholic mass and sermons, there is zero discussion or mention of heaven and hell.

 

[ding]

Don't pretend to know something about me that you can't find in my quotes.

Just going by what you posted.

 

[ding]

Yet you won't award the same to Jews.

Why is that?

The same reason I don't award that to JW's and LDS. The dogmatic difference cannot be bridged.

 

[norwegen]

1. In a recent spirited (no pun) thread (Zone1 - Christian Zionism) a number of parosters claimed that these are two separate and distnct religions.


2. Today, an argument designed to prove that they are one religion based on values, hallmarks, and cannot be found to be other than that.


3. If Judaism and Christianity are different religions based on certain....even fundamental....disagreements, then certainly logical consistency demands that Catholicism and Protestantism are two separte and distinct religions.


4. I can name a number of differences that are meaningful and dramatic.....


5.Starting with Mary:

• Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
• Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

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All is fulfilled; the everlasting future is now. The old heaven and earth are swept away and the new ones forever established. That is, the authority of the temple, of the Law, of Moses, has been ceded to the authority of Christ.

Christianity has replaced Judaism. In the first century, the temple cult was on its way out.

As glorious as Moses’ Law was when God delivered it, it had been corrupted, and its time was destined to end (2 Cor 3:7-11). So Israel’s Messiah came to fulfill it (Mt 5:17). He came to do what the Law of Moses could not do: to deliver Israel from her sin and death and reconcile her with God.

Jewish law was law for the Jewish people. Christian law is for Christians, ensconced magnificently in the two commandments of the Lord. Moses himself declared that the statutes and rules he spoke of were for Israel (Dt 5:1-5).

That old Jewish system was enslavement. Christ had delivered the heavenly Jerusalem. The kingdom of God.

Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. (Gal 4:25-26).​

In Catholicism and Protestantism, who is the head? Christ.

In Judaism and Christianity, who were/are the heads? Moses for one; Christ for the other.

Big difference.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just going by what you posted.

Quote?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The same reason I don't award that to JW's and LDS. The dogmatic difference cannot be bridged.

So there are three separate religions, according to you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

All is fulfilled; the everlasting future is now. The old heaven and earth are swept away and the new ones forever established. That is, the authority of the temple, of the Law, of Moses, has been ceded to the authority of Christ.

Christianity has replaced Judaism. In the first century, the temple cult was on its way out.

As glorious as Moses’ Law was when God delivered it, it had been corrupted, and its time was destined to end (2 Cor 3:7-11). So Israel’s Messiah came to fulfill it (Mt 5:17). He came to do what the Law of Moses could not do: to deliver Israel from her sin and death and reconcile her with God.

Jewish law was law for the Jewish people. Christian law is for Christians, ensconced magnificently in the two commandments of the Lord. Moses himself declared that the statutes and rules he spoke of were for Israel (Dt 5:1-5).

That old Jewish system was enslavement. Christ had delivered the heavenly Jerusalem. The kingdom of God.

Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. (Gal 4:25-26).​

In Catholicism and Protestantism, who is the head? Christ.

In Judaism and Christianity, who were/are the heads? Moses for one; Christ for the other.

Big difference.

How many religions produced the American experiment.........two? Three?

 

[norwegen]

How many religions produced the American experiment.........two? Three?

One, essentially. Hence the concern among Jews that they would not be a part of it.

But really kind of an irrelevant question. Religions can coexist, particularly two different ones whose deity is in common.

 

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Quote?

Catholics pray to images

^^^^

 

[ding]

So there are three separate religions, according to you?

Oh brother. I wasn't doing a map of all religions.

 

[there4eyeM]

Are you able to articulate what part of the post is silly?

Yes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

One, essentially. Hence the concern among Jews that they would not be a part of it.

But really kind of an irrelevant question. Religions can coexist, particularly two different ones whose deity is in common.

You couldn't be more wrong.

The Founders believed themselves to be new Hebrews.


All of our Founders had great respect for the Jewish poeple and the religion.



“The Founders of this country had a reason for favoring the Jewish people, due to their attachment to the Bible, and because the Founders saw themselves as descendants of the People of the Book.

“Rather than just tolerate the Jews as another religious minority, America’s Founding Fathers were profoundly inspired by Jewish ideas, …. understanding liberty not as an individual license for each of us to pursue his or her bliss but as a collective commitment to a greater good under the watchful eyes of God.” In American Jewish History, a Key to Future Greatness


None of the Founders was a deist. All believed in a God who took an interest in us, and our country.

“Benjamin Franklin’s proposals for a Great Seal featuring not an eagle but Moses and the Israelites crossing the Red Sea.”

First Committee's Design for America's Great Seal - 1776

 

[PoliticalChic]

^^^^

This is the actual post:

• Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
• Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints

You changed it to "idol worshipers"

So you were lying, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes.

Claim not in evidence.