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Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........
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I don't really need to do that because I have already explained to you previously, that the first eleven chapters of Genesis is a shared history from before Israel. That the accounts of Genesis were from a time (Sumerian times) when polytheism was the dominant belief. That Genesis was a radical departure from the beliefs of that time. And that it wasn't until the time of Exodus that the transition to monotheism began to take root and even then it was a saw toothed transition.
My prior question was really more about the heaven and hell aspect of your post. No offense but I do not find you to be interested in seeking the truth. You are consumed by confirming your bias.
That all depends if you are referring to ethnicity or faith. When I think of a class of people I think in terms of race or physical differences. Things you can see with your own eyes. I don't believe that preferences are a class of people. There's no class of people that like chocolate malts instead of vanilla malts. That would just be people with specific preferences.
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does that include a religion madeup by a single person thousands of years age without a single corroborating verification to support their heavenly claims. heavenly or not and beneficial to only those of their bloodline, a heavenly religion.
I don't consider beliefs to be a class of people anymore than preferences are a class of people.
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Agree. He also never called himself a Christian.
There is evidence that the story of Exodus was given enhanced importance (embellished?) by the exiles in Babylon as it paved the way for exiles to assume political control from the inhabitants already living in Judea.
By "seeking the truth" you mean accepting your version of the truth.
How did Judaism view of heaven and hell change after the Babylonian exile?
The Babylonian Exile (586–538 BCE) was the most significant turning point in Jewish history regarding the afterlife. Before the exile, the Hebrew Bible rarely mentions a "Heaven" or "Hell" for individuals; afterward, Judaism developed a complex system of judgment, resurrection, and the world to come.
Here is how that view evolved from a "shadowy pit" to a cosmic battlefield of reward and punishment.
1. Pre-Exile: The Era of Sheol
In the earliest layers of the Hebrew Bible (the Torah and early Prophets), there was no concept of "going to heaven" or "burning in hell."- Sheol: Everyone, whether righteous or wicked, went to a place called Sheol. It was described as a silent, dark, shadowy underworld located "below."
- No Reward or Punishment: In Sheol, the dead were "shades" (rephaim) who were cut off from God. As the Book of Ecclesiastes famously puts it: "The dead know nothing... their love, their hate, and their jealousy have long since vanished."
- Focus on the Here and Now: Early Judaism focused on corporate reward and punishment. If the nation was faithful, they received rain and long life on Earth. If they were unfaithful, they suffered war or famine.
2. The Catalyst: The Persian Influence
When the Jewish people were exiled to Babylon and later came under the rule of the Persian Empire, they encountered Zoroastrianism. This was the world’s first major dualistic religion, and it introduced concepts that would fundamentally reshape Jewish thought:- Dualism: The idea of a cosmic struggle between a good god (Ahura Mazda) and an evil spirit (Ahriman). This led to the development of a more distinct Satan figure in Jewish thought.
- Individual Judgment: The idea that each person is judged after death based on their deeds.
- Resurrection: The belief that at the end of time, the dead would be physically brought back to life.
3. Post-Exile: The Emergence of Heaven and Hell
By the Second Temple period (roughly 500 BCE to 70 CE), Jewish literature (like the Book of Daniel and the Book of Enoch) began to describe a split destination for the dead.Gan Eden (Paradise)
The "Garden of Eden" moved from being a physical place in the past to a spiritual destination in the future. It became the reward for the righteous—a place of light where the soul enjoys the "radiance of the Divine Presence."Gehenna (Purgatory/Hell)
The Jewish concept of "Hell" is actually named after a real place: Ge Hinnom (The Valley of Hinnom), a valley outside Jerusalem where some ancient kings reportedly performed child sacrifice.- Symbolism: It became a symbol of divine punishment and purification.
- Temporary Nature: Unlike the Christian view of eternal hell, most Jewish traditions view Gehenna as a temporary "spiritual forge." Most souls are said to stay there for no more than 12 months to be purified before moving on to Gan Eden.
Resurrection and "Olam Ha-Ba"
The most radical shift was the belief in Olam Ha-Ba (The World to Come). This taught that death was not the end; rather, the righteous would be resurrected in a perfected physical world at the end of days.
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The two posts in question are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.
Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.
Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.
There is only one explanation .
One more:
- Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
- Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints
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To the point:
Are Judaism and Christianity two different religions?
Are Catholicism and Protestanism two different religions?
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The two posts I have authored are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.
Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.
Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.
There is only one explanation .
One more:
- Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
- Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints
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And Jesus saw himself as a traditional Jew.
The two posts in question are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.
Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.
Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.
There is only one explanation .
One more:
- Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
- Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints
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The two posts in question are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.
Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.
Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.
There is only one explanation .
One more:
- Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
- Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints
So what?
No. I mean challenging what you believe as I have challenged what I believe. In other words a full accounting of all sides of an issue which does not come across in any of your posts.
Then how do you explain Jews today who don't believe in hell. Atheists have an unhealthy fixation on heaven and hell. I have never heard anything about heaven or hell in mass or from a priest. Why do you care so much about it?
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The Catholic Bible has 73 books.
The Protestant Bible has 66 books.
Two religions or one?
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Jews believe Jesus did not fulfill messianic prophecies that establish the criteria for the coming of the Messiah. Judaism does not accept Jesus as a divine being, an intermediary between humans and God, a messiah, or holy.
Christianity has many different sects because there are many Christians. Judaism has less sects than Christianity because there are less people. Christianity is effectively a sect of Judaism but because the dogmas are so different it rises to a class of a different religion much the same that JW's and LDS are different religions.
I know you need to believe Catholics are idol worshipers but that just isn't the case.
Different sects of the same religion.
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Are you able to articulate what part of the post is silly?
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To the point:
Are Judaism and Christianity two different religions?
Are Catholicism and Protestanism two different religions?
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