Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

The Jewish vs Christian belief in Jesus is hardly different from the difference in views of Catholics and Protestants of Mary.....

  • Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
  • Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

"two dominant religions in the West. The Hebrew and Christian religions" So Catholics and Protestant are two dominant Christian religions?



Did you know that those two have different Bibles?
Catholic....73 books
Protestant......66 books.
I wholeheartedly oppose most Catholic doctrine. The Bible states that there is ONE Mediator between God and man and His name is Jesus Christ. Catholics routinely pray to a human being which is blasphemous in the eyes of God. They also pray to statues which is forbidden both in the Old and New Testaments.

But Catholics call themselves Catholics and Christians call themselves Christians. The term "Judeo-Christian" is a literal oxymoron and it's not found anywhere in Scripture.
 
Many Jews have accepted Christianity. The disciples of Jesus were Jews. The first Christians were Jews. The New Testament was written by Jews. There are many Jewish Christians today and always have been.
When you say "Jews" are you speaking of Religious Jews or Ethnic/Genetic Jews?

Nevertheless and regardless -- a Christian is a Christian or "follower of Christ." No prefixes or suffixes are necessary.

Acts 11:26, “And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

"Christians" ... not "Judeo-Christians."
 
When you say "Jews" are you speaking of Religious Jews or Ethnic/Genetic Jews?

Nevertheless and regardless -- a Christian is a Christian or "follower of Christ." No prefixes or suffixes are necessary.

Acts 11:26, “And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

"Christians" ... not "Judeo-Christians."
Yes, and those Christians were Jews. The Apostle Paul was a Jew, a Pharisee. You can't get more of a religious Jew than that.
 
I wholeheartedly oppose most Catholic doctrine. The Bible states that there is ONE Mediator between God and man and His name is Jesus Christ. Catholics routinely pray to a human being which is blasphemous in the eyes of God. They also pray to statues which is forbidden both in the Old and New Testaments.
The above is not Catholic doctrine. Catholic will pray with other members of the mystical Body of Christ (where two or three are gathered in my name) whether those members of the Body are living or who have passed on. Catholics do not pray to statues, no more than they pray to candles. When people have to change Catholic doctrine in order to make a case against Catholicism, they are way off track. Disagreeing with Catholicism only works if one is disagreeing with something Catholics actually believe or are doing. So...don't make me roll my eyes again. ;)
 
The above is not Catholic doctrine. Catholic will pray with other members of the mystical Body of Christ (where two or three are gathered in my name) whether those members of the Body are living or who have passed on. Catholics do not pray to statues, no more than they pray to candles. When people have to change Catholic doctrine in order to make a case against Catholicism, they are way off track. Disagreeing with Catholicism only works if one is disagreeing with something Catholics actually believe or are doing. So...don't make me roll my eyes again. ;)
Talking with dead people is witchcraft. Scripture condemns it. There is ONE mediator. Jesus. Jesus is our Priest. That's Scripture.
 
Your taco slipped off your plate.
- the distortion is judaism ...

prove judaism is not a fallacy of one individual supported by a self serving tribal congregation ...

jesus, the 1st century events on the otherhand reinforces the heavenly conflagration by the repudiation of judaism as the other religions to come to emphasize liberation theology, self determination.
 
prove judaism is not a fallacy of one individual supported by a self serving tribal congregation ...

jesus, the 1st century events on the otherhand reinforces the heavenly conflagration by the repudiation of judaism as the other religions to come to emphasize liberation theology, self determination.
Whatever.
 
Is your Bible Protestant or Christian....or Jewish?

The Bible is Jewish, both Old and New Testaments.

I am Christian and Protestant, and our Old Testament is the same as the Jews Bible, the Tanakh. The Jews do not include the New Testament.

The Roman Bible includes all the books in the Protestant Bible, but it adds several 'apocryphal' books in the Old Testament.

Quantrill
 
If you are claiming Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah, you are simply wrong.

There are Jews who believe Jesus Christ is the Saviour and Messiah. But Israel on the whole does not.

The Jews that do believe are saved and, at this time, become part of the Church. They are the Remnant I showed you in (Rom. 11:1-6).

Quantrill
 
The Jewish vs Christian belief in Jesus is hardly different from the difference in views of Catholics and Protestants of Mary.....

  • Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
  • Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

"two dominant religions in the West. The Hebrew and Christian religions" So Catholics and Protestant are two dominant Christian religions?



Did you know that those two have different Bibles?
Catholic....73 books
Protestant......66 books.


"including language."
Don't be silly.....They are all in every language.
...and you ask someone else not to be silly!
 
1. In a recent spirited (no pun) thread (Zone1 - Christian Zionism) a number of parosters claimed that these are two separate and distnct religions.


2. Today, an argument designed to prove that they are one religion based on values, hallmarks, and cannot be found to be other than that.


3. If Judaism and Christianity are different religions based on certain....even fundamental....disagreements, then certainly logical consistency demands that Catholicism and Protestantism are two separte and distinct religions.


4. I can name a number of differences that are meaningful and dramatic.....


5.Starting with Mary:
  • Catholicism…Mary is mother of us all: from John, 7 last words Behold your mother. In Revelations, Mary is the new eve. “mary is the arc of the new covenant.”
  • Protestanism….Mary simply a good woman, sinful like anyone

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The dogma is different the moral values are the same
 
The above is not Catholic doctrine. Catholic will pray with other members of the mystical Body of Christ (where two or three are gathered in my name) whether those members of the Body are living or who have passed on. Catholics do not pray to statues, no more than they pray to candles. When people have to change Catholic doctrine in order to make a case against Catholicism, they are way off track. Disagreeing with Catholicism only works if one is disagreeing with something Catholics actually believe or are doing. So...don't make me roll my eyes again. ;)
The Bible also says that we shouldn't give "the appearance of evil" (1 Thes 5:22).

This picture gives the appearance that people are bowing to or praying to a statue:

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Nobody can pray "with" a statue since the statue is an inanimate object made of stone, plaster, ceramic, or wood.

In any case, the picture would appear to a distant spectator as a group of people worshipping a statue. In my Bible, that's considered idolatry.
 
Yes, and those Christians were Jews. The Apostle Paul was a Jew, a Pharisee. You can't get more of a religious Jew than that.
Paul WAS a religious Jew of the Tribe of Benjamin but converted to Christianity. He "put off the old man" (cast off his Judaism and Pharisaism) and became a Christian. He rejected his "Judeo" past. He never called himself a "Judeo-Christian." He's simply a Christian.
 
Talking with dead people is witchcraft. Scripture condemns it. There is ONE mediator. Jesus. Jesus is our Priest. That's Scripture.
Speaking of scripture....

Summoning, or attempting to summon, the dead to return to this life is witchcraft. Being a living member of the Body of Christ, whether living or having passed on, is not witchcraft. Recall Jesus countering the Sadducees regarding the patriarchs who had passed on, stating God is God of the living. We are all alive in the mystical Body of Christ. Also, recall the Transfiguration. No witchcraft was being practiced when Moses and Elijah appeared with the living Jesus.

Are you aware that a mediator is one who reconciles estranged parties? Through his life, death, and resurrection, Jesus reconciled mankind with the Father. We are no longer estranged from God, or in conflict with Him. Petitioning God with our prayers is reaching out in trust. We see Jesus praying alone, and we see Jesus asking those to join him in prayer. Jesus also recommended two or three gathering in prayer.

Now, if it is your own belief that mankind is not yet reconciled with God and therefore does not hear our prayers unless Jesus presents them to him; and, if it is your own belief that those who have passed on have no life within them then you can argue yours are the correct beliefs as Catholics believe we are reconciled with God and those who have passed on are alive in the hereafter, then we have something to discuss. However, if you believe Jesus has reconciled us with God, and those who have passed on are alive in Christ, what else is there to discuss? Perhaps why you must disregard and change actual Catholic belief in any attempt to make a case about Catholicism?
 
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This picture gives the appearance that people are bowing to or praying to a statue
People gather in buildings, a meeting place for worship. Does that give the appearance that they are all worshiping the building or the person leading the service, or is that just a meeting place? In the same way, when people meet outdoors to worship (as some do), are they all worshiping nature, a tree, the sun, or is that their meeting place? In the same way, when Catholics say, Let's meet at the statue of (whoever), why would that particular meeting place be considered worshiping a statue when the other places are not?
 
I claimed "You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet."

You said:

I'm glad you're a supporter of gay marriage. Does that apply to trans people too?
Do you believe that homosexuals and transgenders are a class of people like say black people?
 
That was even more than less than helpful.
God helps those who help themselves. Put this query, "How did Judaism change after the Babylonian exile?" into your chosen AI. It should confirm everything I wrote about Judaism.
 
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