Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[SaxonJackson]

People gather in buildings, a meeting place for worship. Does that give the appearance that they are all worshiping the building or the person leading the service, or is that just a meeting place? In the same way, when people meet outdoors to worship (as some do), are they all worshiping nature, a tree, the sun, or is that their meeting place? In the same way, when Catholics say, Let's meet at the statue of (whoever), why would that particular meeting place be considered worshiping a statue when the other places are not?

If they bow to the building and pray to it then, yes, that gives the appearance of evil.

 

[BreezeWood]

the Second Vatican Council's 1965 declaration Nostra Aetate, which officially repudiated the idea of collective Jewish guilt ...

history and truth as daylite must -

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

equally scorch your soul.

 

[Meriweather]

If they bow to the building and pray to it then, yes, that gives the appearance of evil.

Except...you know that's not what is happening, just as you know Catholics do not pray to statues.

 

[Meriweather]

So you have never been in a Catholic church?

Obviously I have, which is why I know the reality that no one is praying to statues.

 

[BreezeWood]

Except...you know that's not what is happening, just as you know Catholics do not pray to statues.

- that's not what moses claimed descending from the mountain.

 

[Quantrill]

Jews didn't kill Jesus.
You're revealing quite a bit about yourself....and it isn't pretty.

(Matt. 27:22-25) "Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus...They all say unto him, let him be crucified....he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

And so it has been and still is.

(Acts 2:22-23) "Ye men of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs....ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain."

Like your opinion of me really matters. If you thought well of me,...then I would be insulted.

Quantrill

 

[SaxonJackson]

Except...you know that's not what is happening, just as you know Catholics do not pray to statues.

True that I've never seen a group of people bow and pray towards a building. Not true that I've never seen a group of people pray towards and even kiss statues. I've attended both Catholic and Orthodox services on a number of occasions and have witnessed for myself people kissing statues; pictures; and even the garments worn by the priests.

 

[Meriweather]

True that I've never seen a group of people bow and pray towards a building. Not true that I've never seen a group of people pray towards and even kiss statues. I've attended both Catholic and Orthodox services on a number of occasions and have witnessed for myself people kissing statues; pictures; and even the garments worn by the priests.

 

[SaxonJackson]

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1 Thessalonians 5:22, "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Leviticus 26:1, "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God."

 

[Meriweather]

1 Thessalonians 5:22, "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Leviticus 26:1, "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God."

Neither pertain as no idols are involved. As has been done many times here, those who ask are answered.

 

[BreezeWood]

Neither pertain as no idols are involved. As has been done many times here, those who ask are answered.

who asked ...

not true, catholicism is a monarchical religion to its bones including its idolatrous 4th century bible as should be admitted -

that is the liar moses that makes the false argument against idols as an impediment to the heavens and is in fact a conflict w/ judaism and nothing else.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Neither pertain as no idols are involved. As has been done many times here, those who ask are answered.

Is a statue of a person a "standing image?"
Are there statues that are "made of stone" in our land?
Do people "bow" to these images?

Leviticus 26:1, "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God."

 

[Meriweather]

Is a statue of a person a "standing image?"
Are there statues that are "made of stone" in our land?
Do people "bow" to these images?

Try the Hebrew etymology of all the above. For example, isn't the same word used for bowing to God as to bowing to a leader. Graven images is Biblical times were idols, as the common thought is that culture is that an image could convey the same powers as the reality. Do you really believe art today holds those powers or that people in modern Western culture believe this?

 

[ding]

Graven images is Biblical times were idols, as the common thought is that culture is that an image could convey the same powers as the reality.

I think it's important to understand the context of these ancient accounts with respect to the transition from polytheism to monotheism. For instance the first eleven chapters are monotheistic accounts that first originated in Sumerian times when the dominant belief was polytheism. It was a radical departure from the beliefs of those days where they believed the universe had always existed and was run by a collection of gods that controlled all aspects of their lives. Conversely monotheism believed God created existence, was moral and providential, but pretty much left man up to controlling his own affairs.

Exodus tells the tale of their struggle to transition from polytheism to monotheism.

The more useful concept for me though is whether we choose to worship the Creator or the created. It's not images or statues we should be worried about. We make idols out of fame, fortune, power, drugs, sex, possessions, etc and truly worship these things despite what some people would like to believe. Everyone knows there are not multiple gods now. Those are ancient beliefs that are dead and buried.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obviously I have, which is why I know the reality that no one is praying to statues.

Clearly false.

I've seen it.

You can admit when you're wrong.

 

[BreezeWood]

Everyone knows there are not multiple gods now.

claims vary than what is monotheism ...

from the first century - the heavens as monotheistic is that everyone is equal - all are gods in their own right and no god is greater than another they are just different with different perspectives. mythology without the monarchical.

 

[ding]

claims vary than what is monotheism ...

from the first century - the heavens as monotheistic is that everyone is equal - all are gods in their own right and no god is greater than another they are just different with different perspectives. mythology without the monarchical.

If only I had a secret decoder ring to decode your posts or at least knew where you got your beliefs from, I might be able to respond.

Because it sounds like you are saying everyone is a god. But I can't honestly say and you have never been willing to clarify anything.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Try the Hebrew etymology of all the above. For example, isn't the same word used for bowing to God as to bowing to a leader. Graven images is Biblical times were idols, as the common thought is that culture is that an image could convey the same powers as the reality. Do you really believe art today holds those powers or that people in modern Western culture believe this?

Look at the world around us. Art holds LOTs of power over the minds of some people. There's a reason God forbade people from bowing to idols, images, icons, statues, etc. He wants people to go directly to Him. Simply close your eyes and pray directly to Jesus Christ. No necklace, talisman, rabbit's foot, crystal ball, tea leaves, tarot cards, or magic wand is necessary to "help us along." Christ taught us how to pray with the Lord's prayer and please note that His example lacked any sort of physical aid.

 

[Meriweather]

The more useful concept for me though is whether we choose to worship the Creator or the created. It's not images or statues we should be worried about. We make idols out of fame, fortune, power, drugs, sex, possessions, etc and truly worship these things despite what some people would like to believe. Everyone knows there are not multiple gods now. Those are ancient beliefs that are dead and buried.

I agree with all you posted, and I thank you for it. There is one 'kind-of-exception'.... I love reading and researching those ancient beliefs/multiple gods. There are some great stories.

 

[Meriweather]

Clearly false.

I've seen it.

You can admit when you're wrong.

I cannot help what you think you saw, or all you misinterpreted. I am Catholic. I practice Catholicism. We worship God, no one else--certainly not artwork. If and when you are ever up to it, I can put you in touch with The Catechism of the Catholic Church in a Year podcast.

As Archbishop Fulton Sheen famously noted, "There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church—which is, of course, quite a different thing".

Are you one of the hundred, or one of the millions?