Zone1 If "Judeo-Christian" Is Actually TWO Distinct Religions..........

[PoliticalChic]

One, essentially. Hence the concern among Jews that they would not be a part of it.

But really kind of an irrelevant question. Religions can coexist, particularly two different ones whose deity is in common.

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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

 

[The Irish Ram]

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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

And God blessed us because of it...

 

[The Irish Ram]

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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

And God blessed us because of it...

 

[norwegen]

You couldn't be more wrong.

The Founders believed themselves to be new Hebrews.


All of our Founders had great respect for the Jewish poeple and the religion.



“The Founders of this country had a reason for favoring the Jewish people, due to their attachment to the Bible, and because the Founders saw themselves as descendants of the People of the Book.

“Rather than just tolerate the Jews as another religious minority, America’s Founding Fathers were profoundly inspired by Jewish ideas, …. understanding liberty not as an individual license for each of us to pursue his or her bliss but as a collective commitment to a greater good under the watchful eyes of God.” In American Jewish History, a Key to Future Greatness


None of the Founders was a deist. All believed in a God who took an interest in us, and our country.

“Benjamin Franklin’s proposals for a Great Seal featuring not an eagle but Moses and the Israelites crossing the Red Sea.”

First Committee's Design for America's Great Seal - 1776

The founders were not descendants of the people of the Book. They were Anglican, Germanic, whatever. European, not descendants of Jacob. Can we even find any Jews today who are descended from Jacob?

Franklin's proposal for that seal didn't mean he was an Israelite.

 

[norwegen]

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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

Assuring Jews of their religious liberty didn't make Washington an Israelite, either.

 

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This is the actual post:

• Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
• Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints

You changed it to "idol worshipers"

So you were lying, huh?

No. I wasn't. We don't pray to them. We ask them to pray for us or with us.

 

[norwegen]

Israelites weren't the only nationality thousands of years ago. Many thousands of others also existed. And they proliferated, unlike the Israelites who suffered near extinction in the Jewish-Roman Wars.

 

[Meriweather]

And Jesus saw himself as a traditional Jew.

The two posts in question are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.

Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.

There is only one explanation .


One more:

• Catholics pray to images…the saints: they believe they can invoke people in heaven
• Protestants….only pray to Jesus no statues of saints

Except...Catholics have never prayed to images, and still don't.

 

[Quantrill]

Jews believe Jesus did not fulfill messianic prophecies that establish the criteria for the coming of the Messiah. Judaism does not accept Jesus as a divine being, an intermediary between humans and God, a messiah, or holy.
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Yes, I know. That is why they killed Him.

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[BreezeWood]

How many religions produced the American experiment....

non, they fled europe to remove themselves from its tyranny - to persecute and victimize the innocent.

the colonies beginning is more than anything else a refuge from religion. the demand there be no established religion in the new world at most a tolerance for its presence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The founders were not descendants of the people of the Book. They were Anglican, Germanic, whatever. European, not descendants of Jacob. Can we even find any Jews today who are descended from Jacob?

Franklin's proposal for that seal didn't mean he was an Israelite.

I didn't say they were.

I said they believed themselves to be religous descendants just as the New Testament is a descendant of the Old Testament.

The Founders, it appears, had a higher opinion of our Jewish brethren than you do.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Assuring Jews of their religious liberty didn't make Washington an Israelite, either.

Are you hallucidating?

No one said such.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No. I wasn't. We don't pray to them. We ask them to pray for us or with us.

I corrected what you stated to the truth.

Life isn't fair and neither are you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Israelites weren't the only nationality thousands of years ago. Many thousands of others also existed. And they proliferated, unlike the Israelites who suffered near extinction in the Jewish-Roman Wars.

There was a reason for this and the previous post mentioned in the OP.

The two posts in question are, in reality, a discussion of anti-Semitism.

Lots have, as you did, state that Judaism and Christainity are two distinct religions, notwithstanding the numerous consistencies, and the actual testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yet I can and have named numerous serious and fundamental differences between Cathoicism and Protestanism and yet no claim that they are two distinct and separate religions.

There is only one explanation .

 

[ding]

I corrected what you stated to the truth.

Life isn't fair and neither are you.

Sometimes. I never claimed to be a saint.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Except...Catholics have never prayed to images, and still don't.

So you have never been in a Catholic church?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, I know. That is why they killed Him.

Quantrill

Jews didn't kill Jesus.
You're revealing quite a bit about yourself....and it isn't pretty.


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Yes, multiple popes, notably
Pope Paul VI and Pope Benedict XVI, have stated that Jews as a whole are not responsible for the death of Jesus, building on the Second Vatican Council's 1965 declaration Nostra Aetate, which officially repudiated the idea of collective Jewish guilt, a major step in improving Catholic-Jewish relations. Benedict XVI's writings clarified that it was the "Temple aristocracy" and specific Jewish leaders, not all Jews, who were involved, and emphasized that Jesus' death was for universal salvation, not Jewish punishment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

non, they fled europe to remove themselves from its tyranny - to persecute and victimize the innocent.

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the colonies beginning is more than anything else a refuge from religion. the demand there be no established religion in the new world at most a tolerance for its presence.

The Old Testament was al model for parts of the Constitution.



The Constitution provides for an observance of the Sabbath in its Presentment Clause, mandating that the President has ten days, excluding Sundays, to veto a bill lest it become binding.

And the instrument was framed with a view to the Declaration, which unequivocally bestows gratitude on the God of the Bible for America's independence.



1. The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”

When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18 “Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:” This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: ‘No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .’ Deuteronomy 17:6 “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .”. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died.
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This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Founders’ ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting. The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era – no small sample – and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes. The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Founders’ quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founder’s quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent. Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible. The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstone’s ideas. Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years America’s courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstone’s Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstone’s ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney. Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of America’s greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800’s. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that – having determined to become a lawyer – he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstone’s Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finney’s life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstone’s ideas for law. So, while 34% of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men – like Blackstone – who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.” This doesn’t even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years. Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders. Sources: David Barton, Original Intent, 1997 Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988 “The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review You should take notes.

 

[norwegen]

I didn't say they were.

I said they believed themselves to be religous descendants just as the New Testament is a descendant of the Old Testament.

The Founders, it appears, had a higher opinion of our Jewish brethren than you do.

I didn't say you said they were. You said they saw themselves as descendants of the People of the Book. So I said they were not descendants of those people.

You didn't say they were descendants of the Hebrews? Does that mean you think they were wrong, too?

And I'm not sure why challenging the notion that anyone is descended from the People of the Book translates as having a low opinion of our Jewish brethren. I said nothing of our Jewish brethren. I spoke only of our founding fathers and an ancient tribal people of a temple cult in an ancient land called Judea.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Religious Jews or Ethnic/Genetic Jews?

Which sort was Jesus?

Jesus was genetically of the Tribe of Judah. Biblical Judah isn't the same as a "religious Jew." In fact, Christ has lots of very negative things to say about the religious Jews (the Pharisees) of His time.