Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[Clyde 154]

It’s interesting how Christian’s become enraged if we dare say something that indicates we do not believe Jesus was anything other than a man, and yet so many of them feel quite comfortable explaining Jewish history and tenets to us.

Its more interesting for some calling themselves Jews to pretend that no one but Jews can read and study history actual...... Ancient Hebrew is a dead language that was discontinued for study purposes, even by the Jews themselves 200 years before the birth of Jesus Christ the man.

Enlighten us? How many years of study have you formally had in pre-Greek-Septuagint Hebrew? Yet.....you declare that none other than Jews can read and understand Jewish history?

Could it be that Christians do not enjoy being addressed in such a pretentious condescending manner when the actual Words of the Septuagint are presented......and are dismissed because you claim everyone but you is not entitled to use these recorded words, if they do they are charged with ANTISEMITISM. Its much like the left always using the race/gender card when confronted with facts in evidence.

 

[irosie91]

Its more interesting for some calling themselves Jews to pretend that no one but Jews can read and study history actual...... Ancient Hebrew is a dead language that was discontinued for study purposes, even by the Jews themselves 200 years before the birth of Jesus Christ the man.

Enlighten us? How many years of study have you formally had in pre-Greek-Septuagint Hebrew? Yet.....you declare that none other than Jews can read and understand Jewish history?

Could it be that Christians do not enjoy being addressed in such a pretentious condescending manner when the actual Words of the Septuagint are presented......and are dismissed because you claim everyone but you is not entitled to use these recorded words, if they do they are charged with ANTISEMITISM. Its much like the left always using the race/gender card when confronted with facts in evidence.

regarding the jewish scriptural literature and jewish history and even the
JESUS you call "christ"-----you are clueless. The "actual words" of the
of the SEPTUAGINT are in GREEK----why would one need to know greek
to have a gasp of Jewish scriptural writings? The Septuagint is a translation.
To what special "facts" which you claim do you refer?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus assured that the 'gates of hell' would not prevail against his church. So, there's that.

"The Church" is still there. It is still a SMALL FLOCK.

THEN there is the great counterfeit church of over 1 billion

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Not it’s not. That is just your inability to separate Jews and Israel. There is much in the OT that happens outside of Israel.

All Ohioans are Americans. Not all Americans are Ohioans

Judah is one tribe of Israel.

 

[Lisa558]

Its more interesting for some calling themselves Jews to pretend that no one but Jews can read and study history actual...... Ancient Hebrew is a dead language that was discontinued for study purposes, even by the Jews themselves 200 years before the birth of Jesus Christ the man.

Enlighten us? How many years of study have you formally had in pre-Greek-Septuagint Hebrew? Yet.....you declare that none other than Jews can read and understand Jewish history?

Could it be that Christians do not enjoy being addressed in such a pretentious condescending manner when the actual Words of the Septuagint are presented......and are dismissed because you claim everyone but you is not entitled to use these recorded words, if they do they are charged with ANTISEMITISM. Its much like the left always using the race/gender card when confronted with facts in evidence.

Have you heard how Christians have chastised, scolded, and insulted Jews on this forum?! I didn’t hear you object.

But if a Christian quotes New Testament verses to a Jew to show them how wrong they are, and a Jew answers back that that is only THEIR belief, wam! Outrage.

IOW, Christians should be free to harass and scold Jews to show them how wrong they are, and Jews just have to meekly accept it without defending their own beliefs, amirite?

 

[irosie91]

Jesus assured that the 'gates of hell' would not prevail against his church. So, there's that.

There's Matthew----the tax collector whose job depended on the
"pleasure" of ROME-----ie he was a shill for Rome,

 

[Lisa558]

Not the question. God divided Israel in the days of Rehoboam and Jeroboam. Why do you think he did that?

Solomon married foreign, non-Jewish wives who committed idolatry and led him astray. This was God’s punishment.

 

[irosie91]

God separated Israel and the Jews in the days of Rehoboam and Jeroboam (no doubt to prepare a people for the coming of Christ). Before that Israel was united and little was written that didn't involve Israel or one or more of the tribes or the progenitors of the tribes.

HUH? can you define your terms. ISRAEL or "the children of Israel" or
the "house of Israel" is synonymous with the term JEWS since the time that
the tribes were united into a single kingdom<<< that reality has not changed
because of your syntax sophistry

 

[rosends]

This being internalized into mankind's nature, then it makes sense that we want to make things right with God and God, of course, wants to make things right with us? What I find captivating is that God permits people to experience the slavery of sin. He begins the Ten Commandments with, I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of slavery...

Mostly from the atheists in my family and circle of friends, the Ten Commandments are regarded as rules that imprison. I see it differently, that disobedience to God led to imprisonment/enslavement, and one of God's first teachings, one of His first rescue missions is following His ways frees one from enslavement. Disobedience/sin enslaves; obedience is freedom, often pure freedom.

How do Jews view the Ten Commandments? I know the Noachide precede the Ten, and I am also curious how these are viewed compared to the Ten?

the slavery from which we were brought out was that of Egyptian bondage, not sin.

The 10 statements are seen as 10 of a much larger group of laws, but some see these ten as establishing categories as well as being discrete laws. The Noachide laws well precede the giving of the 10 statements and are considered laws of equivalent status.

 

[rosends]

Judah is one tribe of Israel.

yes and no. Judah was a son of Jacob and the head of a tribe called "Judah" after him. There were other heads of the tribe after Judah's death.

There was, later a Kingdom of Judah which was called that because, while it had members of many different tribes, the largest contingent was of Judah. The modern "Jews" descend from that kingdom (besides converts).

 

[Woodznutz]

There's Matthew----the tax collector whose job depended on the
"pleasure" of ROME-----ie he was a shill for Rome,

?

 

[rosends]

Ancient Hebrew is a dead language that was discontinued for study purposes, even by the Jews themselves 200 years before the birth of Jesus Christ the man.

why would you say that? Ancient Hebrew is still studied and used every day, along with other forms of Hebrew.

Enlighten us? How many years of study have you formally had in pre-Greek-Septuagint Hebrew?

I have had many. How much biblical Hebrew do you know?

 

[Woodznutz]

HUH? can you define your terms. ISRAEL or "the children of Israel" or
the "house of Israel" is synonymous with the term JEWS since the time that
the tribes were united into a single kingdom<<< that reality has not changed
because of your syntax sophistry

Did you come to that conclusion yourself or did your Rabbi teach you that?

 

[Picaro]

?

Rosie gets carried away a lot.

 

[Woodznutz]

yes and no. Judah was a son of Jacob and the head of a tribe called "Judah" after him. There were other heads of the tribe after Judah's death.

There was, later a Kingdom of Judah which was called that because, while it had members of many different tribes, the largest contingent was of Judah. The modern "Jews" descend from that kingdom (besides converts).

The southern Kingdom of Judah (also called the house of Judah) had three tribes: Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. All the rest went with Jeroboam to the northern Kingdom of Israel (also called the house of Israel).

 

[irosie91]

?

what "?" you are quoting "Matthew" --"tax collector"---an employee
of Rome which scholars agree was written LONG AFTER the crucifixion by an unknown author. Constantine did I job on you

 

[rosends]

The southern Kingdom of Judah (also called the house of Judah) had three tribes: Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. All the rest went with Jeroboam to the northern Kingdom of Israel (also called the house of Israel).

Except that when the other kingdom was attacked, members of many other tribes fled to the Kingdom of Judah

 

[Picaro]

Except that when the other kingdom was attacked, members of many other tribes fled to the Kingdom of Judah

The northern kingdom attacked, not the other way around; they lost.

 

[Woodznutz]

regarding the jewish scriptural literature and jewish history and even the
JESUS you call "christ"-----you are clueless. The "actual words" of the
of the SEPTUAGINT are in GREEK----why would one need to know greek
to have a gasp of Jewish scriptural writings? The Septuagint is a translation.
To what special "facts" which you claim do you refer?

How much of your own bible was written expressly for and to the tribe of Judah? IOW what is "Jewish scriptural writing?"

 

[Woodznutz]

Except that when the other kingdom was attacked, members of many other tribes fled to the Kingdom of Judah

Some went back and forth yes, mainly to attend the feasts at Jerusalem but then they returned to Samaria.