Zone1 If Jesus Was A Jew

[Picaro]

what "?" you are quoting "Matthew" --"tax collector"---an employee
of Rome which scholars agree was written LONG AFTER the crucifixion by an unknown author. Constantine did I job on you

That Constantine was an amazing scholar, completely familiar with Jewish texts, history, and theology from some 300 years earlier, yet managed to not have a single anachronism in the entire book. No wonder you find him awesome.

 

[Picaro]

How much of your own bible was written expressly for and to the tribe of Judah?

You can safely ignore the OT books from Ezra onward.

 

[irosie91]

Did you come to that conclusion yourself or did your Rabbi teach you that?

I have no "rabbi" and no "jewish education" I was an avid reader since early
childhood. I did attend "sunday school" as a guest at least a dozen times---
protestant. Matthew---the person who unlike LUKE--did meet Jesus according to the NT, was a tax collector-----thus, as a shill for Rome---a person considered a reject in jewish society at that time. He may have
been a member of the cult when the gospel was written----about 1/2 century
after the death of Jesus. Keep in mind----at that time the JEWS were in active
rebellion against Rome. Lots of people were choosing sides----where was a shill for Rome GONNA GO?

 

[irosie91]

what "?" you are quoting "Matthew" --"tax collector"---an employee
of Rome which scholars agree was written LONG AFTER the crucifixion by an unknown author. Constantine did I job on you

Picaro has an alternate history for Matthew (???)

 

[rosends]

The northern kingdom attacked, not the other way around; they lost.

they rebelled against Assyrian oppression. Call it whatever you want.

 

[Picaro]

Picaro has an alternate history for Matthew (???)

You call yours the 'non-alternative history'?

 

[rosends]

Some went back and forth yes, mainly to attend the feasts at Jerusalem but then they returned to Samaria.

according to the text, after the invasion by Assyria, some fled (permanently) to the Kingdom of Judah
2 Chron 31:8, 34:9

 

[irosie91]

How much of your own bible was written expressly for and to the tribe of Judah? IOW what is "Jewish scriptural writing?"

that which you know as the OT----is a collection of writings spanning about
3000 years by the nation of people--today called JEWS

 

[Woodznutz]

I have no "rabbi" and no "jewish education" I was an avid reader since early
childhood. I did attend "sunday school" as a guest at least a dozen times---
protestant. Matthew---the person who unlike LUKE--did meet Jesus according to the NT, was a tax collector-----thus, as a shill for Rome---a person considered a reject in jewish society at that time. He may have
been a member of the cult when the gospel was written----about 1/2 century
after the death of Jesus. Keep in mind----at that time the JEWS were in active
rebellion against Rome. Lots of people were choosing sides----where was a shill for Rome GONNA GO?

In Jesus time the die was cast. Jesus would go to, and send his disciples to, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel", the remnants of the northern kingdom living in Samaria and later in the diaspora. The 'house of Judah' was doomed to destruction and was irrelevant to the founding of the NT church.

 

[irosie91]

You call yours the 'non-alternative history'?

I noted some opinions of christian scholars

 

[Woodznutz]

according to the text, after the invasion by Assyria, some fled (permanently) to the Kingdom of Judah
2 Chron 31:8, 34:9

Where they were outcasts, "dogs".

 

[Picaro]

I noted some opinions of christian scholars

Yes, the bad ones.

 

[Woodznutz]

that which you know as the OT----is a collection of writings spanning about
3000 years by the nation of people--today called JEWS

There are more Christians who claim ownership than Jews, but we happily share it with you. You on the other hand have appropriated it for yourself claiming sole ownership and authority over its translation and meaning.

 

[Foxfyre]

Then why aren't Christians Jewish? I don't get it.

Jesus was not only a Jew but an orthodox Jew, born of a Jewish mother and descended from Jews all the way back to Abraham and Sarah if we go by one genealogy and all the way back to Adam and Eve if we use another. Some Christians are Jews by heritage/race but the vast majority of the roughly 2.4 billion Christians on Earth now are not Jewish. Heritage/race does not identify the Christian but rather his/her faith that Jesus was/is the Christ, the Messiah, Emmanuel, God become fully man who lived among us according to some beliefs or the Son of God, a separate Being, among other beliefs. He lived among us, taught us, was crucified, buried, and rose again. Whosoever believes in Him shall have eternal life.

That is the primary core of most Christian teaching, most Christian faith.

 

[irosie91]

In Jesus time the die was cast. Jesus would go to, and send his disciples to, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel", the remnants of the northern kingdom living in Samaria and in the diaspora. The 'house of Judah' was doomed to destruction and was irrelevant to the founding of the NT church.

you are quoting Constantine's NT ----can you define the land that you
are calling "SAMARIA"? and "the lost sheep" and "the diaspora"?
"The house of Israel" is synonymous with "The house of Israel"----Israel
is JACOB---the progenitor of the 12 tribes. Ie--Jacob is Israel. Judah is
the son of Jacob who Jacob NAMED as KING OF THE 12 Tribes-----and the
origin of the moniker JEWS for the descendants of JACOB-----to wit,
ALL DA JOOOOOS. Try to cope---Jacob is Israel and his descendants
are "the house of ISRAEL" ----with son Judah as king----ie JOOOOS.
Samaria is approximately the early KINGDOM OF JUDAH---and
Today's ISRAEL is approximately the early KINGDOM OF ISRAEL-----
The whole kit and kaboodle is DA JOOOOS. New Jersey is one of the
original colonies---In the Civil war, New Jersey was mostly UNION---but
the southern tip of that northern state was confederate

 

[Meriweather]

the slavery from which we were brought out was that of Egyptian bondage, not sin.

The 10 statements are seen as 10 of a much larger group of laws, but some see these ten as establishing categories as well as being discrete laws. The Noachide laws well precede the giving of the 10 statements and are considered laws of equivalent status.

Simply laws, then--no more and no less.

 

[irosie91]

There are more Christians who claim ownership than Jews, but we happily share it with you. You on the other hand have appropriated it for yourself claiming sole ownership and authority over its translation and meaning.

RIGHT

There are more Christians who claim ownership than Jews, but we happily share it with you. You on the other hand have appropriated it for yourself claiming sole ownership and authority over its translation and meaning.

do you claim the RAMAYANA too? I have claimed the KAMA SUDTRA

 

[Woodznutz]

according to the text, after the invasion by Assyria, some fled (permanently) to the Kingdom of Judah
2 Chron 31:8, 34:9

A "remnant" returned to Judah.

 

[irosie91]

A "remnant" returned to Judah.

jooos of today is lots of remnants---some already "remnants"
more than 2500 years ago. The Levant has always been a mess.
Then "remnants" happened all over the globe

 

[Woodznutz]

you are quoting Constantine's NT ----can you define the land that you
are calling "SAMARIA"? and "the lost sheep" and "the diaspora"?
"The house of Israel" is synonymous with "The house of Israel"----Israel
is JACOB---the progenitor of the 12 tribes. Ie--Jacob is Israel. Judah is
the son of Jacob who Jacob NAMED as KING OF THE 12 Tribes-----and the
origin of the moniker JEWS for the descendants of JACOB-----to wit,
ALL DA JOOOOOS. Try to cope---Jacob is Israel and his descendants
are "the house of ISRAEL" ----with son Judah as king----ie JOOOOS.
Samaria is approximately the early KINGDOM OF JUDAH---and
Today's ISRAEL is approximately the early KINGDOM OF ISRAEL-----
The whole kit and kaboodle is DA JOOOOS. New Jersey is one of the
original colonies---In the Civil war, New Jersey was mostly UNION---but
the southern tip of that northern state was confederate

If the "house of Israel" that Christ said he was "sent only to" are Jews, then the NT church is Jewish. And if so, who are the billion-plus "Christians" who are not Jews?