If I Had Been President of the Confederacy. . . .

[RetiredGySgt]

If anyone has a distorted view of history, it's you.

You probably think the Old South was like "Gone with the Wind", but it was probably much closer to "Mandingo".

he is a racist pig and should be shunned for his stupid views.

 

[Quantrill]

If anyone has a distorted view of history, it's you.

You probably think the Old South was like "Gone with the Wind", but it was probably much closer to "Mandingo".

Sorry, dumbass, my view of history is based upon the 'facts' of history. Your view is just your bullshit.

For example: I said Stephen Douglas and Abraham Lincoln were white racists. Just as the Jim Crow Black Codes in Illinois were white racist.

My view that they were white racism is based upon facts. So, what is your view of Stephen Douglas and Lincoln and Jim Crow in Illinois before the War? Based on the 'facts' of history.

See? You and others here live in bullshit world. Where you can just make up shit because it sounds good.

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[Quantrill]

he is a racist pig and should be shunned for his stupid views.

Just because you're too stupid in history doesn't mean ones views should be shunned. You need to buy a book and study a little history instead of just finding a link that agrees with your ignorance. I don't disagree with you because I am racist. I disagree with you because you don't know shit about history.

Typical Yankee vomit. Label one a racist, or a traitor, or whatever. That way you can ignore true history which shows the truth about the Yankee traitor.

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mikegriffith1

I have almost finished the book 'Dark Union'. It is quite an eye opener to the character of the 'Union' in that day. 'Dark' is the correct word. Greed, and murder best describe the Yankee way.

And these are the people that won the military victory! Shows you who and what the South was up against. No wonder we, the South, wanted to get the hell away from them.

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[JoeB131]

Sorry, dumbass, my view of history is based upon the 'facts' of history. Your view is just your bullshit.

For example: I said Stephen Douglas and Abraham Lincoln were white racists. Just as the Jim Crow Black Codes in Illinois were white racist.

Still meaningless. Most Anglo-Saxons of the time didn't consider blacks to be equal, but they didn't consider the Irish or the Italians to be equal, either.

Just because you're too stupid in history doesn't mean ones views should be shunned. You need to buy a book and study a little history instead of just finding a link that agrees with your ignorance. I don't disagree with you because I am racist. I disagree with you because you don't know shit about history.

Again, I have a history degree from a real university. You and Mikey just read a lot of crackpot stuff you find from racist revisionists.

Typical Yankee vomit. Label one a racist, or a traitor, or whatever. That way you can ignore true history which shows the truth about the Yankee traitor.

Um, you dumbasses started a war so a few rich people could keep raping their slaves.

That's what being a traitor is.

But do go back to your Scarlet O'Hare cosplaying.

I have almost finished the book 'Dark Union'. It is quite an eye opener to the character of the 'Union' in that day. 'Dark' is the correct word. Greed, and murder best describe the Yankee way.

And these are the people that won the military victory! Shows you who and what the South was up against. No wonder we, the South, wanted to get the hell away from them.

the North was benevolent, probably too much so.

Most civil Wars, the losing side doesn't live long enough to regret their stupidity.

The North should have shot every traitor scum.

Why do I get the feeling you have a copy of "The Turner Diaries" in your book collection?

 

[rightwinger]

the North was benevolent, probably too much so.

The north tolerated too much when it came to slavery and Jim Crow

They allowed slavery in the Constitution and gave the South more political power than their free population warranted.
They passed the fugitive slave act, Dredd Scott and later “separate but equal”

 

[Muhammed]

If I had been president of the Confederacy, instead of Jefferson Davis, here is what I would have done differently:

-- I would have vetoed the Confederate congressional bill in early March 1861 that set CSA tariff rates at 10%. This low tariff posed a direct threat to Northern economic interests. Many Northern newspapers noted the threat that the lower CSA tariff posed to the Northern economy. It was too early to be passing such a provocative tariff bill. I would have worked to ensure that the initial CSA tariff rates were comparable to the U.S. rates, if not identical to them. I would not have considered lowering Confederate tariff rates until months after it was clear there would be no war with the U.S.

-- I would have ordered a halt to the seizure of federal installations in the South.

-- I would have publicly expressed regret for the seizures that had already occurred and would have explained that they were done before the Confederacy was formed.

-- I would have repeatedly made it clear in public statements that the Confederacy was willing to pay compensation for federal installations in the South.

-- I would have repudiated the obnoxious, ridiculous statements regarding slavery in Alexander Stephens' "cornerstone speech."

-- I would have ensured that the provision of food to the Fort Sumter garrison was continued. This would have enabled Lincoln to avoid having to send a federal naval convoy to provide food to the garrison.

-- If Lincoln had still sent a convoy to Sumter to provide additional food, I would have done nothing to prevent the operation.

-- Regarding the whole Sumter question, I would have issued a public statement along these lines:

"I realize that for many of our Northern brethren, Fort Sumter is still federal property and cannot be relinquished. I know there are some elements in the North who hope that we will attack Fort Sumter if it is not evacuated in the next few weeks, and who plan on using such an attack as a pretext for an invasion of the Confederacy. I declare that we will not attack Fort Sumter as long as the fort does not fire on us and does not fire on ships entering and leaving Charleston Harbor. We will leave Fort Sumter unmolested even if the federal garrison remains there for years to come--again, as long as the garrison takes no hostile action against us or against shipping in the harbor. The same applies to Fort Pickens."

This would have put the onus on Northern hardliners to fire the first shot. It would have led many more Northerners to conclude that it made no sense to leave the garrison on Sumter given that the fort was now in another nation's harbor and could no good for the U.S. there. This, couple with a repeated Confederate offer of compensation for all federal installations in the South, would have caused a majority of Northerners to see Sumter as a non-issue and to support its sale to the Confederacy.

-- I would have publicly called for a gradual, compensated emancipation program in my first message to the Confederate Congress in early 1861.

-- By no later than mid-1862, I would have called for enlisting slaves as soldiers in exchange for freedom for themselves and their families. Some states and individual commanders were already doing this, persuading 3,000 to 7,000 slaves to serve as soldiers in their armies, but this was a drop in the bucket. A call for such enlistments sanctioned by the national government from the Confederate president would have been a great PR move and would have provided much-needed reinforcements for the army.

-- If the Confederate Congress still had not begun a gradual emancipation program by the time Lincoln issued the Preliminary Emancipation Proclamation in September 1862, I would have used the proclamation as another occasion to call for a Confederate emancipation program.

-- In response to the Emancipation Proclamation issued in January 1863, I would not have threatened to treat ex-Southern slaves serving in the Union army and their officers as criminals who would be handed over to the states for prosecution. Instead, I would have announced that such soldiers and officers would be treated just like any other captured Union soldiers and officers.

-- I would have used the occasion of the issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation to again call for a Confederate emancipation program.

-- I would not have refused to include captured black Union soldiers in prisoner exchanges.

-- I would have accepted the huge loans that European nations offered in early 1861, as opposed to the much smaller loans that Jefferson Davis agreed to accept.

-- I would have made no effort to seize New Mexico Territory. The Confederacy had no right to that territory. If you leave the Union, then you forfeit any right to a "fair distribution of the territories."

They would have accused you of being a Republican and lynched you.

 

[Quantrill]

Still meaningless. Most Anglo-Saxons of the time didn't consider blacks to be equal, but they didn't consider the Irish or the Italians to be equal, either.



Again, I have a history degree from a real university. You and Mikey just read a lot of crackpot stuff you find from racist revisionists.



Um, you dumbasses started a war so a few rich people could keep raping their slaves.

That's what being a traitor is.

But do go back to your Scarlet O'Hare cosplaying.


the North was benevolent, probably too much so.

Most civil Wars, the losing side doesn't live long enough to regret their stupidity.

The North should have shot every traitor scum.

Why do I get the feeling you have a copy of "The Turner Diaries" in your book collection?

Point being you're a damn Yankee hypocrite. White racism ran throughout the North. Jim Crow ran throughout the North. Yet you condemn Southernors for being racist and having Jim Crow laws.

If I were you I would keep my mouth shut about having a 'history degree'. And, I have no reason to believe you anyway. You haven't produced nothing but your shit opinions.

No, I have proved that white Illinois racist, Lincoln, started that War by lies and deception. You haven't proved shit. I have proved that the traitors were the North. You haven't proved shit. I have proved the Jeff Davis was set free because he was no traitor. You haven't proved shit. I have proved that secession was legal and right and the South seceded peacefully. You haven't proved shit.

But...your mouth keeps running. You keep belching up that smoke those Yankees blow up your ass. And you believe you are presenting 'history'. You are a true 'Yankee historian. You think because you say it, it is so.

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[JoeB131]

Point being you're a damn Yankee hypocrite. White racism ran throughout the North. Jim Crow ran throughout the North. Yet you condemn Southernors for being racist and having Jim Crow laws.

No, I condemn them for trying to break up the Union over slavery. And then for imposing more racist laws after slavery was over.

Yes, ideal world, slavery should have been over and blacks should have been equal to whites.
Reality. It was 1865. Italians and Irish weren't considered White enough.

No, I have proved that white Illinois racist, Lincoln, started that War by lies and deception. You haven't proved shit. I have proved that the traitors were the North. You haven't proved shit. I have proved the Jeff Davis was set free because he was no traitor. You haven't proved shit. I have proved that secession was legal and right and the South seceded peacefully. You haven't proved shit.

Except the South started seceding and cut off Ft. Sumter before Lincoln was even sworn in.

Davis was set free because no one wanted to relitigate the entire war, and Andrew Jackson was a feckless idiot who gave away the whole store. Lincoln won the war, and Johnson lost the peace, for which he was rightfully impeached.

 

[Quantrill]

No, I condemn them for trying to break up the Union over slavery. And then for imposing more racist laws after slavery was over.

Yes, ideal world, slavery should have been over and blacks should have been equal to whites.
Reality. It was 1865. Italians and Irish weren't considered White enough.



Except the South started seceding and cut off Ft. Sumter before Lincoln was even sworn in.

Davis was set free because no one wanted to relitigate the entire war, and Andrew Jackson was a feckless idiot who gave away the whole store. Lincoln won the war, and Johnson lost the peace, for which he was rightfully impeached.

Sorry mr. 'historian'. The Yankees broke up the Union in attacking the South over slavery. The Yankees were attacking a Constitutionally protected institution. The damnyankees were the traitors. Not the South. The damnyankees made the blacks enemies of the South. Then the Yankees shit on them and hauled ass back up north leaving them to fend for themselves after using them. It is the Yankee way. Shit and git.

Your ideal world doesn't exist. Grow up dumbass.

OK, show me where the South cut off Sumter before Lincoln was sworn in. You have made the statement, mr. 'historian'.

Another damn lie of yours. I have already proved that Davis was set free because Yankee lawyers feared he would be found not guilty. I have given quotes from those lawyers. Would you like to see them again? Just let me know.

No one is arguing 'who won the war'. Please pay attention. The North wanted the legal vindication for that war. They wanted the legal vindication for the extreme loss of life and property caused by that war. They wanted legal vindication for their military victory. And they wanted Jeff Davis hanging from a sour apple tree as proof.

But, the poor bastards, they were living in a make-believe world. Not one of reality. And once reality hit the Yankee lawyers in the ass, they knew if they took this to trial, the North would be the one seen as traitor to the U.S. The North would be the guilty party for the lives and destruction of that War. And they couldn't take that. They couldn't own up to their own guilt. They didn't have the balls to do that.

So, rather than that happening, they let Ol Jeff go free. Glory, glory, hallelujah.....

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[JoeB131]

Sorry mr. 'historian'. The Yankees broke up the Union in attacking the South over slavery. The Yankees were attacking a Constitutionally protected institution. The damnyankees were the traitors. Not the South. The damnyankees made the blacks enemies of the South. Then the Yankees shit on them and hauled ass back up north leaving them to fend for themselves after using them. It is the Yankee way. Shit and git.

Yawn... there you go again.

The South tried to destroy the Union by seceding over slavery.

A war anyone with a lick of sense knew they couldn't win.

 

[Quantrill]

Yawn... there you go again.

The South tried to destroy the Union by seceding over slavery.

A war anyone with a lick of sense knew they couldn't win.

No, there you go again. Yawn all you want. Your yawn is your mouth overloading your ass. Yawn wider. You made an accusation. I asked you to prove it. But you can't. You think you can let that smoke up your ass and not be accountable.

I told you I have provided quotes from lawyers prosecuting Davis that prove what I said. I asked, do you want me to provide them again to you? Again, you shit your pants and ignore them.

Then, all you do is present 3 empty lines of bullshit which is nothing but your shit.

All the while you claim some sort of degree in 'history'. You're a liar. Your degree is in bullshit. Your degree is a B.S. degree in history. Bull Shit degree in history.

Three more days, and our holiday begins. Glory, glory, hallelujah.

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[Zincwarrior]

So evidently we established that the OP's theories would not have helped. I will applaud the OP though for discussing the idea.

 

[JoeB131]

No, there you go again. Yawn all you want. Your yawn is your mouth overloading your ass. Yawn wider. You made an accusation. I asked you to prove it. But you can't. You think you can let that smoke up your ass and not be accountable.

I told you I have provided quotes from lawyers prosecuting Davis that prove what I said. I asked, do you want me to provide them again to you? Again, you shit your pants and ignore them.

Then, all you do is present 3 empty lines of bullshit which is nothing but your shit.

All the while you claim some sort of degree in 'history'. You're a liar. Your degree is in bullshit. Your degree is a B.S. degree in history. Bull Shit degree in history.

Three more days, and our holiday begins. Glory, glory, hallelujah.

Quantrill

Yawn, go back to your Gone with the Wind Cosplay. I hear they'll let you play Scarlett this time.

 

[Quantrill]

Yawn, go back to your Gone with the Wind Cosplay. I hear they'll let you play Scarlett this time.

Yawn bigger. You have a lot of smoke to let out that you let pumped up your ass. Did you like it?

Any time you can provide some evidence for what you belch out. Please do.

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[JoeB131]

Yawn bigger. You have a lot of smoke to let out that you let pumped up your ass. Did you like it?

Any time you can provide some evidence for what you belch out. Please do.

Quantrill

Um, sorry, man. The Confederate statues are being torn down all over the country.

The Fetishization of traitors and racists is ending.

 

[Quantrill]

Um, sorry, man. The Confederate statues are being torn down all over the country.

The Fetishization of traitors and racists is ending.

No need to be sorry. The point is you can't prove anything you say concerning history. All you can do is belch out whats been shoved up your ass. Did it feel good?

Yawn bigger so you can get it from both ends.

What happened to that 'bullshit degree'. Surely you have something?

Are all Yankees as stupid as you? They must be since you're the one representing them. I see no one running to your rescue.

You're the traitor, b***h. And I have proved it. Just bend over and get used to it. Or show some evidence to prove otherwise.

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[RetiredGySgt]

No need to be sorry. The point is you can't prove anything you say concerning history. All you can do is belch out whats been shoved up your ass. Did it feel good?

Yawn bigger so you can get it from both ends.

What happened to that 'bullshit degree'. Surely you have something?

Are all Yankees as stupid as you? They must be since you're the one representing them. I see no one running to your rescue.

You're the traitor, b***h. And I have proved it. Just bend over and get used to it. Or show some evidence to prove otherwise.

Quantrill

the only stupid one in this thread is you and your ignorant views on racism and slavery

 

[Quantrill]

the only stupid one in this thread is you and your ignorant views on racism and slavery

Yet you offer nothing to disprove anything. Silly gunny. You think those stripes mean you can just say shit and get away with it? They mean nothing. This aint the military where you can bark orders and no one can oppose you.

It's called a forum. It's called history. If my views on racism and slavery are wrong, show me where.

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[JoeB131]

Are all Yankees as stupid as you? They must be since you're the one representing them. I see no one running to your rescue.

If Hollywood want to portray a character as stupid, they give him a Southern Accent.

There's a reason for that.