The "War between the States" did not start over Slavery

[TruthSeeker112125]

It was All about "More Government", & "Money".​

Pay Attention in this article, to what Lincoln stated about Slavery, and that he stated that Northern Slave States could continue to own Slaves if they did not secede!

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Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession​

by Doug Casey

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Editor’s Note: Doug is a longtime member of a dinner club in Buenos Aires called The Round Table. The over 100 years old group is composed of eight Argentines, eight Englishmen, and eight Americans. Every month, one of them gives a paper on a subject they’re knowledgeable about and, after discussion, everyone sits down to a catered dinner. It’s one of the niceties of living in Buenos Aires.


This paper presents an underappreciated view of the American war between the states.


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I wish to disabuse you of something you’ve probably believed since you were ten years old. Only a third of you have been subjected to the American public school version of history, but that version has permeated throughout the world. After all, the winners get to write the history books. What Americans are taught about their so-called “Civil War” is, in good measure, a fairy tale.


Let’s start by getting the terminology right. It wasn’t a “civil war.” A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of the same government. That’s not what happened. The South wasn’t trying to take over the North. Their sole objective was to leave the Union. That made it a war of secession. Calling it a civil war is propaganda—framing Southerners as rebels and insurgents rather than people who simply wanted to go their own way. Some call it the War of Northern Aggression, a name which might have stuck if the Confederacy had won. I prefer to be neutral, so I will call it the War Between the States.


The standard narrative holds that the noble North, led by the saintly Abraham Lincoln, fought the evil South to free the slaves. Full stop. Now, more than any time in the past, that’s the whole story as far as most Americans are concerned. It’s on a par with believing that Spain blew up the battleship Maine to start the Spanish-American War, or that World War I was fought to “make the world safe for democracy.” I’ll reserve comment on more recent wars. But good propaganda always contains a kernel of truth, even while truth is always the first casualty in a war.

Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession

The American Civil War was shaped by slavery, tariffs, states’ rights, federal power, regional economic conflict, and British geopolitical pressure rather than a single-cause narrative.

internationalman.com

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[mikegriffith1]

It was All about "More Government", & "Money".​

Pay Attention in this article, to what Lincoln stated about Slavery, and that he stated that Northern Slave States could continue to own Slaves if they did not secede!
Editor’s Note: Doug is a longtime member of a dinner club in Buenos Aires called The Round Table. The over 100 years old group is composed of eight Argentines, eight Englishmen, and eight Americans. Every month, one of them gives a paper on a subject they’re knowledgeable about and, after discussion, everyone sits down to a catered dinner. It’s one of the niceties of living in Buenos Aires.

This paper presents an underappreciated view of the American war between the states.

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I wish to disabuse you of something you’ve probably believed since you were ten years old. Only a third of you have been subjected to the American public school version of history, but that version has permeated throughout the world. After all, the winners get to write the history books. What Americans are taught about their so-called “Civil War” is, in good measure, a fairy tale.

Let’s start by getting the terminology right. It wasn’t a “civil war.” A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of the same government. That’s not what happened. The South wasn’t trying to take over the North. Their sole objective was to leave the Union. That made it a war of secession. Calling it a civil war is propaganda—framing Southerners as rebels and insurgents rather than people who simply wanted to go their own way. Some call it the War of Northern Aggression, a name which might have stuck if the Confederacy had won. I prefer to be neutral, so I will call it the War Between the States.

The standard narrative holds that the noble North, led by the saintly Abraham Lincoln, fought the evil South to free the slaves. Full stop. Now, more than any time in the past, that’s the whole story as far as most Americans are concerned. It’s on a par with believing that Spain blew up the battleship Maine to start the Spanish-American War, or that World War I was fought to “make the world safe for democracy.” I’ll reserve comment on more recent wars. But good propaganda always contains a kernel of truth, even while truth is always the first casualty in a war.

Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession

The American Civil War was shaped by slavery, tariffs, states’ rights, federal power, regional economic conflict, and British geopolitical pressure rather than a single-cause narrative.

internationalman.com

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Slavery was the leading indirect cause of the Civil War. If slavery had not existed, there would have been no Deep South secession and no war.

When the Confederates tried to seize New Mexico Territory, they made the war a civil war. They were invading a large U.S. territory and trying to annex it.

In 1860, New Mexico Territory consisted of modern-day New Mexico plus most of Arizona and parts of southern Nevada and Colorado. It was a huge U.S. territory. When the Southern states left the Union, they voided any claim or right to any part of New Mexico Territory.

Yes, the Civil War was fought over Southern independence, but the Deep South states never would have sought independence if slavery had not existed, and the majority of Confederate leaders foolishly refused to begin any kind of an emancipation program until it was too late. The fact that they did begin such a program shows that when push came to shove independence was more important than slavery, but they reached that conclusion too late to do any good.

 

[August West]

It was All about "More Government", & "Money".​

Pay Attention in this article, to what Lincoln stated about Slavery, and that he stated that Northern Slave States could continue to own Slaves if they did not secede!

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Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession​

by Doug Casey

Subscribe to International Man
Editor’s Note: Doug is a longtime member of a dinner club in Buenos Aires called The Round Table. The over 100 years old group is composed of eight Argentines, eight Englishmen, and eight Americans. Every month, one of them gives a paper on a subject they’re knowledgeable about and, after discussion, everyone sits down to a catered dinner. It’s one of the niceties of living in Buenos Aires.


This paper presents an underappreciated view of the American war between the states.


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I wish to disabuse you of something you’ve probably believed since you were ten years old. Only a third of you have been subjected to the American public school version of history, but that version has permeated throughout the world. After all, the winners get to write the history books. What Americans are taught about their so-called “Civil War” is, in good measure, a fairy tale.


Let’s start by getting the terminology right. It wasn’t a “civil war.” A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of the same government. That’s not what happened. The South wasn’t trying to take over the North. Their sole objective was to leave the Union. That made it a war of secession. Calling it a civil war is propaganda—framing Southerners as rebels and insurgents rather than people who simply wanted to go their own way. Some call it the War of Northern Aggression, a name which might have stuck if the Confederacy had won. I prefer to be neutral, so I will call it the War Between the States.


The standard narrative holds that the noble North, led by the saintly Abraham Lincoln, fought the evil South to free the slaves. Full stop. Now, more than any time in the past, that’s the whole story as far as most Americans are concerned. It’s on a par with believing that Spain blew up the battleship Maine to start the Spanish-American War, or that World War I was fought to “make the world safe for democracy.” I’ll reserve comment on more recent wars. But good propaganda always contains a kernel of truth, even while truth is always the first casualty in a war.

Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession

The American Civil War was shaped by slavery, tariffs, states’ rights, federal power, regional economic conflict, and British geopolitical pressure rather than a single-cause narrative.

internationalman.com

Mod Edit: Do not paste the entire article, only an excerpt, please.

The hundreds of CW books that I`ve read tell me that the war began over secession and secession was about slavery. Doug Casey doesn`t know squat or if he does, he`s perpetuating the "lost cause" nonsense. Lincoln`s cause was keeping the country together by whatever means necessary. Personally, I think Lincoln should have let the dumb states go and we would be a better country today.
The Dumbest States list.

The 10 Dumbest States In The United States For 2025

The dumbest states in the US are Mississippi and Arkansas for 2025 based on Saturday Night Science.

www.roadsnacks.net

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Mike & August, both of You have made very interesting comments.

"Slavery", was acceptable in America prior to the Secession/War.

Lincoln offered to allow Connecticut I believe, (I;ll have to check my data),that if it remained in the Union, that it could keep it's system of Slavery.

The "Emancipation Proclamation", came about after the War had begun, & not before.

The Southern States, were getting rich, due to their Trade with Europe, etc., & the North wanted a "piece of that pie". When the Southern States objected,... The North began taking it, which led to the Secession/War.

 

[Cassandro]

Mike & August, both of You have made very interesting comments.

"Slavery", was acceptable in America prior to the Secession/War.

Slavery was illegal in most Northern States.

Lincoln offered to allow Connecticut I believe, (I;ll have to check my data),that if it remained in the Union, that it could keep it's system of Slavery.

Maryland.

The "Emancipation Proclamation", came about after the War had begun, & not before.

The Emancipation Proclamation was intended to foment a slave rebellion in the Southern states.

The Southern States, were getting rich, due to their Trade with Europe, etc., & the North wanted a "piece of that pie". When the Southern States objected,... The North began taking it, which led to the Secession/War.

The Federal Government was primarily funded by customs and duties at shipping ports. The Southern States wanted to make theirs into free ports instead. That is why Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor was so important.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

"Slavery was illegal in most Northern States."

Not "Fully", until after the Civil War started, & The Emancipation Proclamation was enacted.
"The Southern States wanted to make theirs into free ports instead."

Can You supply that Data?

 

[Cassandro]

"Slavery was illegal in most Northern States."

Not "Fully", until after the Civil War started, & The Emancipation Proclamation was enacted.
"The Southern States wanted to make theirs into free ports instead."

Can You supply that Data?

Yes, but not to someone who poses disingenuous questions. If you want to dispute any of my assertions, you should state your contrary opinion in explicit terms.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Yes, but not to someone who poses disingenuous questions. If you want to dispute any of my assertions, you should state your contrary opinion in explicit terms.

Then what You are "disingenuously" stating is that You have Nothing.

 

[Jets]

President Lincoln only freed the slaves in the Confederate states. The Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to the four border states that stayed in the Union.

 

[longly]

I think it’s too strong to say that the War Between the States was not about slavery. There were other factors, that’s true, but slavery was a central one. Without the conflict over slavery — especially the fear that slavery would expand into Kansas — there wouldn’t have been a border war, and that violence helped set the stage for the coming conflict. Stories of violence and retaliation heightened tensions to the point that many people in the South believed there was only one solution: separation from the North. And when Harpers Ferry happened, it erased any remaining doubts. Secession or death seemed like the only choices.

But there were other factors, too. By the 1860s, the South was developing its own identity. Many people in the South no longer felt culturally connected to the North. Even the language and regional expressions were beginning to diverge. So yes, there were multiple causes — but slavery was central.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

What happened between the North & the South, is very similar to what happened in America's very early days. While George Washington was POTUS, the New England States were becoming wealthy because of their exporting a Whiskey that was extremely popular in England, Europe, Russia , etc. Washington was having trouble paying off America's debts, & decided to Tax, the profits of the Whiskey producers. The initial attempt to collect that Tax, resulted in many a Tax Collector being "Tarred & Feathered", with no Tax, being collected.
After negotiations with the Whiskey Producers failed,.... Washington ordered Federal Troops in to the Whiskey Producing States, to enforce the Tax.
That set a precedent, for "Federal Control of The States".
The Southern States were becoming very wealthy, with their Main Exports of Cotton, & Tobacco. The Federal Government, demanded "a large piece of that pie", of which the Southern States refused.
At the same time,... "Slavery" had become an issue, in Congress, and amongst the American People.

"Speech of Hon. J. J. Crittenden, of Kentucky, on his resolutions, delivered in the Senate of the United States, January 7, 1861"


https://www.loc.gov/item/11004491/?...1-p7Ljbobio_TnoXzpSqHwxJA9DO5ZFuM7CtHsgFKTkZM

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Crittenden-Johnson Resolution"

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During the war, President Abraham Lincoln was concerned that the slave states of Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland in the crucial upper south might leave the Union to join the Confederate States of America. If Maryland were lost, Washington, D.C. would be entirely surrounded by Confederate territory. Both Missouri and Kentucky were slave states of questionable loyalty to the Union that bordered on important Union territory; Lincoln was born in Kentucky and losing his birth state would be seen as a political failure. Also, the Ohio River marks the northern border of Kentucky and this strategically important waterway was the economic lifeline of Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana; each of these states had to ship goods down this river down to the Mississippi River. Delaware (the other slave state that remained in the Union) had so few slaves that its loyalty would not be questioned.

Specifically, the resolution stated that the war was being waged for the reunion of the states, and not to abolish the south's "peculiar institution" of slavery. The resolution required the Union Government to take no actions against institution of slavery. It was named for Representative John J. Crittenden of Kentucky and Senator Andrew Johnson of Tennessee (who was later to become President).​

The war was fought not for "overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those States," but to "defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and to preserve the Union." The war would end when the seceding states returned to the Union with slavery being intact."
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"If" Slavery were the Main Core Reason for the Civil War,..... Then the States that stayed with the "Union",, would not have been permitted to keep slaves.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

It was All about "More Government", & "Money".​

Pay Attention in this article, to what Lincoln stated about Slavery, and that he stated that Northern Slave States could continue to own Slaves if they did not secede!

​

============​

​

Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession​

by Doug Casey

Subscribe to International Man
Editor’s Note: Doug is a longtime member of a dinner club in Buenos Aires called The Round Table. The over 100 years old group is composed of eight Argentines, eight Englishmen, and eight Americans. Every month, one of them gives a paper on a subject they’re knowledgeable about and, after discussion, everyone sits down to a catered dinner. It’s one of the niceties of living in Buenos Aires.


This paper presents an underappreciated view of the American war between the states.


—


I wish to disabuse you of something you’ve probably believed since you were ten years old. Only a third of you have been subjected to the American public school version of history, but that version has permeated throughout the world. After all, the winners get to write the history books. What Americans are taught about their so-called “Civil War” is, in good measure, a fairy tale.


Let’s start by getting the terminology right. It wasn’t a “civil war.” A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of the same government. That’s not what happened. The South wasn’t trying to take over the North. Their sole objective was to leave the Union. That made it a war of secession. Calling it a civil war is propaganda—framing Southerners as rebels and insurgents rather than people who simply wanted to go their own way. Some call it the War of Northern Aggression, a name which might have stuck if the Confederacy had won. I prefer to be neutral, so I will call it the War Between the States.


The standard narrative holds that the noble North, led by the saintly Abraham Lincoln, fought the evil South to free the slaves. Full stop. Now, more than any time in the past, that’s the whole story as far as most Americans are concerned. It’s on a par with believing that Spain blew up the battleship Maine to start the Spanish-American War, or that World War I was fought to “make the world safe for democracy.” I’ll reserve comment on more recent wars. But good propaganda always contains a kernel of truth, even while truth is always the first casualty in a war.

Doug Casey on The Real Causes of The American War of Secession

The American Civil War was shaped by slavery, tariffs, states’ rights, federal power, regional economic conflict, and British geopolitical pressure rather than a single-cause narrative.

internationalman.com

Mod Edit: Do not paste the entire article, only an excerpt, please.

The Civil War was caused by the South wanting to keep enslaved Africans for easy profits. The Confederate Constitutions (I think each state had their own) stated clearly that they believed Africans were inferior and fit to only be enslaved by Whites. Mississippi was the wealthiest state in the country prior to the Civil War, with several millionaire plantation owners.
Those poor enslaved people had been praying for their freedom for generations. They finally got a portion of it. I say a portion because they were still subjected to Jim Crow terrorism and economic oppression even after slavery.

 

[Zincwarrior]

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Let’s start by getting the terminology right. It wasn’t a “civil war.” A civil war is a conflict in which two or more factions fight for control of the same government. That’s not what happened. The South wasn’t trying to take over the North. Their sole objective was to leave the Union. That made it a war of secession. Calling it a civil war is propaganda—framing Southerners as rebels and insurgents rather than people who simply wanted to go their own way. Some call it the War of Northern Aggression, a name which might have stuck if the Confederacy had won. I prefer to be neutral, so I will call it the War Between the States.

No it was a civil war.
Definition: a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country

Definition of CIVIL WAR

a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country —often used in the capitalized names of specific wars… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The Civil War was caused by the South wanting to keep enslaved Africans for easy profits. The Confederate Constitutions (I think each state had their own) stated clearly that they believed Africans were inferior and fit to only be enslaved by Whites. Mississippi was the wealthiest state in the country prior to the Civil War, with several millionaire plantation owners.
Those poor enslaved people had been praying for their freedom for generations. They finally got a portion of it. I say a portion because they were still subjected to Jim Crow terrorism and economic oppression even after slavery.

"During the war, President Abraham Lincoln was concerned that the slave states of Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland in the crucial upper south might leave the Union to join the Confederate States of America. If Maryland were lost, Washington, D.C. would be entirely surrounded by Confederate territory. Both Missouri and Kentucky were slave states of questionable loyalty to the Union that bordered on important Union territory; Lincoln was born in Kentucky and losing his birth state would be seen as a political failure. Also, the Ohio River marks the northern border of Kentucky and this strategically important waterway was the economic lifeline of Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana; each of these states had to ship goods down this river down to the Mississippi River. Delaware (the other slave state that remained in the Union) had so few slaves that its loyalty would not be questioned. "