S.S. Sultana- April 27,1865

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Still the largest maritime disaster in US History. Most of the passengers were Union soldiers newly released from Confederate POW Camps.

"What should have been a happy homecoming for more than 2,100 paroled Union soldiers from Andersonville and Cahaba prison camps, ended tragically in the deadliest maritime disaster in the history of the United States. The Sultana, the vessel carrying the paroled soldiers with homes in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, and West Virginia, began its journey up the swollen spring current of the Mississippi on the night of April 24th, leaving Vicksburg bound for Cairo, Illinois. With a maximum capacity slated at 376 passengers, the Sultana was grossly overcrowded with civilians, crew, and POWs. The decks were stuffed so thoroughly with the weakened prisoners chiefly because it was lucrative business. The US government promised river boat captains a payment of $5 per prisoner, for ferrying them up river to Cairo. As a result, the Sultana, like many other boats before her, prioritized a quick windfall profit above the safety of her passengers. An even more egregious oversight which may have led directly to the disaster was the captain’s decision to patch one of the Sultana’s boilers as opposed to taking more time and finances to repair it in the proper manner. Thus, when she lurched out of Vicksburg, decks crammed with freshly released prisoners, the Sultana was a ticking time bomb. In the early morning hours of April 27th, the ill-fated voyage came to an abrupt end when the hastily repaired boiler of the Sultana exploded, causing two others to burst violently and quickly engulfed the ships superstructure in flame. Men who survived the horrific explosion were hurled or jumped into the Mississippi’s swift and frigid waters, where scores of men drowned or succumbed to hypothermia. 800 passengers survived the initial horrendous explosion and swirling rapids, yet 200 of these would later perish in hospitals due to ghastly burns. In all, approximately 1,700 passengers of the original 2,500 perished along the banks of the Mississippi."

 
Less Union prisoners to voice the inhumanity of the Yankee refusal to exchange prisoners, which Wirtz, commander of Andersonville, was trying to do.

Hang Wirtz, and kill as many of the Andersonville survivors they can before they tell their story.

Glory, glory...hallelujah...

Quantrill
 
Less Union prisoners to voice the inhumanity of the Yankee refusal to exchange prisoners, which Wirtz, commander of Andersonville, was trying to do.

Hang Wirtz, and kill as many of the Andersonville survivors they can before they tell their story.

Glory, glory...hallelujah... Quantrill
Wrong. It was Jefferson Davis who actually halted prisoner exchanges with his cruel, idiotic refusal to recognize black Union soldiers as genuine soldiers. When Davis announced this racist policy, Grant declared that the Union would not do prisoner exchanges until the Confederacy guaranteed that captured black Union soldiers would be treated as POWs and not as slaves engaging in insurrection.

When Davis finally relented on his stupidity in early 1865, the prisoner exchanges resumed.
 
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Wrong. It was Jefferson Davis who actually halted prisoner exchanges with his cruel, idiotic refusal to recognize black Union soldiers as genuine soldiers. When Davis announced this racist policy, Grant declared that the Union would not do prisoner exchanges until the Confederacy guaranteed that captured black Union soldiers would be treated as POWs and not as slaves engaging in insurrection.

When Davis finally relented on his stupidity in early 1865, the prisoner exchanges resumed.

"Much effort has been expended by various partisans to prove that Southern spite against prisoners or Northern intransigence on the exchange question was responsible for this tragedy. Surviving documents seem to discredit any accusation of deliberate deprivation, unless ne takes the position that the Richmond government should have devoted a greater proportion of its dwindling resources to its prisoners than to its own army...." (Andersonville, William Marvel, The University of North Carolina Press,1994, p. x )

"It was the Federal government that suspended the exchange cartel, first in response to disagreement over numbers and then in protest of the Confederate refusal to repatriate black soldiers. At one point it appeared that the two sides might work that out, except perhaps for those prisoners who were recognized as former slaves, but the Federal government insisted on absolute equality for all black prisoners...." (Marvel, p. x)

The Yankees were still true to their treacherous ways. Ignoring their own Constitution and wanting still to force their ways upon the South. How many Yankee white and black prisoners did the North kill in order to get their way.

They killed a bunch of em. And, why was the Sultana overloaded 6 times it's capacity weight? Let me guess...it was due to the good heart of the yankees who just wanted these good boys to get home. Sure it was. Glory, glory....hallelujah!

Quantrill
 
"Much effort has been expended by various partisans to prove that Southern spite against prisoners or Northern intransigence on the exchange question was responsible for this tragedy. Surviving documents seem to discredit any accusation of deliberate deprivation, unless ne takes the position that the Richmond government should have devoted a greater proportion of its dwindling resources to its prisoners than to its own army...." (Andersonville, William Marvel, The University of North Carolina Press,1994, p. x )

"It was the Federal government that suspended the exchange cartel, first in response to disagreement over numbers and then in protest of the Confederate refusal to repatriate black soldiers. At one point it appeared that the two sides might work that out, except perhaps for those prisoners who were recognized as former slaves, but the Federal government insisted on absolute equality for all black prisoners...." (Marvel, p. x)
Well, of course they did! Sheesh, are you serious? Captured black soldiers deserved all the same rights that captured white soldiers were given as POWs. And as soon as Davis agreed to this humane and moral condition, prisoner exchanges resumed.

If David had not idiotically and hatefully declared his intention to treat captured black Union soldiers as insurrectionary slaves, the prisoner exchanges would not have been halted. He was the one who actually caused the cessation of exchanges. He could hardly have expected the Union army to continue prisoner exchanges knowing that black soldiers would be treated as slaves who were engaging in insurrection!.

The Yankees were still true to their treacherous ways. Ignoring their own Constitution and wanting still to force their ways upon the South. How many Yankee white and black prisoners did the North kill in order to get their way.
So you don't blame Davis for refusing to treat captured black soldiers as POWs??? You blame the Union for refusing to go along with this cruel, racist policy?

They killed a bunch of em. And, why was the Sultana overloaded 6 times it's capacity weight? Let me guess...it was due to the good heart of the yankees who just wanted these good boys to get home. Sure it was. Glory, glory....hallelujah! Quantrill
Pretty sick to be cheering the deaths of soldiers who simply trying to get home after the war.
 
Well, of course they did! Sheesh, are you serious? Captured black soldiers deserved all the same rights that captured white soldiers were given as POWs. And as soon as Davis agreed to this humane and moral condition, prisoner exchanges resumed.

If David had not idiotically and hatefully declared his intention to treat captured black Union soldiers as insurrectionary slaves, the prisoner exchanges would not have been halted. He was the one who actually caused the cessation of exchanges. He could hardly have expected the Union army to continue prisoner exchanges knowing that black soldiers would be treated as slaves who were engaging in insurrection!.


So you don't blame Davis for refusing to treat captured black soldiers as POWs??? You blame the Union for refusing to go along with this cruel, racist policy?


Pretty sick to be cheering the deaths of soldiers who simply trying to get home after the war.

Well, that is what the Yankee says. But the Constitution said differently. And the Yankee was still under the U.S. Constitution. And the Confederates were under their own Constitution. Either way, the Yankee loses. He is traitor to his Constitution.

You must first get your military victory, subdue the South, then change the Constitution, then force the conquered states to live under your rule. Yankees are not just traitors, they are too cowardly to own up to their treachery.

Again, why was the Sultana overloaded more than 6 times its capacity?

Again, it was the Federal govt. that suspended the exchange. See again post #(4).

Quantrill
 
Well, that is what the Yankee says. But the Constitution said differently. And the Yankee was still under the U.S. Constitution. And the Confederates were under their own Constitution. Either way, the Yankee loses. He is traitor to his Constitution.

You must first get your military victory, subdue the South, then change the Constitution, then force the conquered states to live under your rule. Yankees are not just traitors, they are too cowardly to own up to their treachery.
So you are pro-slavery. You think captured black Union soldiers should have been treated as rebelling slaves, just as Davis said.

Again, why was the Sultana overloaded more than 6 times its capacity?
Because the boat's crew knew the soldiers were anxious to get home to their families and were trying to accommodate as many as they could.

Again, it was the Federal govt. that suspended the exchange. See again post #(4).
Now that's a pathetic argument. If Davis had agreed to treat captured black Union soldiers as POWs, Grant would not have suspended the exchanges, and as soon as Davis agreed to do so, the exchanges were resumed. But somehow, someway you blame Grant and not Davis.

What was Grant supposed to do? Allow the exchanges to continue knowing that captured black soldiers would be forced into slavery?
 
Wrong. It was Jefferson Davis who actually halted prisoner exchanges with his cruel, idiotic refusal to recognize black Union soldiers as genuine soldiers. When Davis announced this racist policy, Grant declared that the Union would not do prisoner exchanges until the Confederacy guaranteed that captured black Union soldiers would be treated as POWs and not as slaves engaging in insurrection.

When Davis finally relented on his stupidity in early 1865, the prisoner exchanges resumed.

Speaking of admiration for Jefferson Davis, who is that in your avatar bdtex? :badgrin:
 
So you are pro-slavery. You think captured black Union soldiers should have been treated as rebelling slaves, just as Davis said.


Because the boat's crew knew the soldiers were anxious to get home to their families and were trying to accommodate as many as they could.


Now that's a pathetic argument. If Davis had agreed to treat captured black Union soldiers as POWs, Grant would not have suspended the exchanges, and as soon as Davis agreed to do so, the exchanges were resumed. But somehow, someway you blame Grant and not Davis.

What was Grant supposed to do? Allow the exchanges to continue knowing that captured black soldiers would be forced into slavery?

I think the U.S. Constitution should be upheld. Just as Davis did. But of course the Yankee traitors could have cared less.

Bullshit. The boat crew didn't care one way or the other. The Captain Mason, a Union quarter master was getting a kickback for every soldier passenger on board. Six times over capacity was a lot of money. Typical Yankee thinking. What's in it for me? How can I make a buck? Wait...let me get my carpet bag and head South.

So they killed a bunch of Yankees in trying to make a Yankee profit. Killed their own. Glory, glory...hallelujah!

Grant didn't have the say concerning the exchanges. Where did you get that idea? I said the Fed. govt. suspended the prisoner exchange. My, my, you do love to try and deceive. No wonder you are a 'Lincoln man'.

The Fed. govt should have recognized that the Constitution was against them and they were the traitors. The Yankees should have obeyed the Constitution...correct? Should the Yankees have obeyed the Constitution or not? Simple yes or no question. You tell me what the damnyankees were supposed to do. If you got the....guts.

Quantrill
 
Speaking of admiration for Jefferson Davis, who is that in your avatar bdtex? :badgrin:
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