If I Had Been President of the Confederacy. . . .

[Zincwarrior]

April 14, 1865, the War was all but over. The South was militarily defeated. The North had their military victory. Sumter had fallen on April 14, 1861. Glory, glory...hallelujah

So, Lincoln and the North wanted to openly shit on the South and have a glorious flag raising at Sumter. And Lincoln wanted the hero of Sumter, Anderson, there to raise the flag. "President Lincoln wanted the American flag to again fly over the fort and wanted its former commander, Robert Anderson, to raise it." (The Demon Of Unrest, Erik Larson, Crown Publishing Group, p. 479)

And so Anderson did. And he gave his speech, "Anderson said, I restore to its proper place this flag which floated here during peace, before the first act of this cruel Rebellion." (Larson, p. 487) And of course much patriotic feeling and song.

Then later that night in Charleston, a special dinner was held at the Charleston Hotel. (Larson, p. 488) And of course toasts were made all around by the victors. "Doubleday honored the Sumter garrison; former secretary of war Joseph Holt toasted Anderson." (Larson, p. 488)

Then around "ten o'clock, Anderson himself got up and delivered what was probably the most heartfelt of the tributes. 'I beg you now...that you will join me in drinking the health of another man whom we all love to honor....I give you the good, the great, the honest man, Abraham Lincoln'." (Larson, p. 488)

But oh the irony, for Anderson did not know. "He could not know it, but at that instant, Lincoln lay dying of a gunshot wound in a box at Ford's Theatre in Washington." (Larson, p. 488)

Yep, Anderson gave us that good , great, honest Abe as they carried him out the theatre with a bullet in his brain.

Glory, glory, hallelujah....

Quantrill

Lightweight. Should have started rounding up all the natives and walking them towards Kansas, to be managed under the benevolent US Army. The survivors anyway.

 

[Quantrill]

Lightweight. Should have started rounding up all the natives and walking them towards Kansas, to be managed under the benevolent US Army. The survivors anyway.

'Mine eyes have seen the comin of the glory of their lord. As they carry him out of Ford's Theatre with a bullet in his brain.'

Glory, glory, hallelujah...glory, glory halleujah...justice just keeps marchin on.

Damn, those wheels of justice. Here is a toast, April 14, 2026, to the death of the tyrant Abraham Lincoln. History is a b***h aint it?

Quantrill

 

[Robert W]

the confederates went to war over slavery the American colonies went to war over representation in government big difference.

The confederates also were forced into war when they wanted representation in big government. Slavery was legal when the South was invaded.

 

[Robert W]

I read a great quote yesterday in which a US Army Colonel, Harry Summers, said to his Vietnamese counterpart, "You never beat us on the battlefield," and the Vietnamese replied, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."

We lost the Vietnam War before the first boot hit the ground, because Ho Chi Mihn was a national hero who had fought the French and the Japanese, while we propped up sad quislings like Bao Dai, Diem, and General Ky.

(Oh, your boy Ky did what you keep falsely accusing me of, admiring Hitler.)

The Tet Offensive was a defeat because it showed the government was systematically lying about having the situation under control.

We did commit massive war crimes against the Vietnamese people. Does Mai Lai ring a bell? Rusty Calley spent a whole year in prison for killing 600 people.

We dumped thousands of land mines and tons of defoliants, which are doing damage to the Vietnamese people to this very day.

The obscene thing is how the Right Wing flipped the script, by making Vietnam vets the victims, which is why every new War is accompanied by "Support the Troops.' And you got all the bullshit stories about soldiers being spat on by hippies at airports.

Here's how I support the troops. I oppose sending them on fool's errands.




Which shows that military historians didn't learn a freaking thing from Vietnam. Which showed when they made ALL THE SAME STUPID MISTAKES IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.

Heck, if they were paying attention, they'd have realized this after the Philippine War. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT WHEN YOU OCCUPY THEIR COUNTRIES!!!!




Nope, this is the equivalent of little Billy saying "Timmy did it too", when he's caught doing something bad.

The South tried to break up the Union so a few rich people could keep raping their slaves.

You sure are a good spin artist. Were I not to know the true history some might believe you.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The confederates also were forced into war when they wanted representation in big government. Slavery was legal when the South was invaded.

the south controlled the senate so your claim they left because they werent getting represented is bullshit

 

[JoeB131]

The confederates also were forced into war when they wanted representation in big government. Slavery was legal when the South was invaded.

They had representation.

In fact, they had more than they deserved, because they got slaves counted even though they couldn't vote.

The problem they had was the rest of the country was finding slavery distasteful because slavery is distasteful.

You sure are a good spin artist. Were I not to know the true history some might believe you.

The true history. We lost in Vietnam. Deal with it.
We lost in Iraq.
We are going to lose in Iran.

Deal with it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

'Mine eyes have seen the comin of the glory of their lord. As they carry him out of Ford's Theatre with a bullet in his brain.'

Glory, glory, hallelujah...glory, glory halleujah...justice just keeps marchin on.

Damn, those wheels of justice. Here is a toast, April 14, 2026, to the death of the tyrant Abraham Lincoln. History is a b***h aint it?

Quantrill

Yes. On the positive, the Union planted 600,000 Traitor graves, so there's that.

 

[Quantrill]

Yes. On the positive, the Union planted 600,000 Traitor graves, so there's that.

Dumbass. You don't have the slightest idea what you just said. Best to keep your mouth shut.

Quantrill

 

[Zincwarrior]

Dumbass. You don't have the slightest idea what you just said. Best to keep your mouth shut.

Quantrill

It was a good start. Had the US done the normal policy of removing hostiles to a nice reservation, the entire South could have been repopulated by hardworking immigrants and freedmen in a generation.

 

[Robert W]

They had representation.

In fact, they had more than they deserved, because they got slaves counted even though they couldn't vote.

The problem they had was the rest of the country was finding slavery distasteful because slavery is distasteful.


The true history. We lost in Vietnam. Deal with it.
We lost in Iraq.
We are going to lose in Iran.

Deal with it.

So, you never accepted South Vietnam as legitimate since it was them the North conquered years after we left Vietnam!!! I would have been sent to Vietnam had it been a war we were in when I was in the Army. We defeated all North Vietnamese armies when we were fighting that war. We defeated Saddam Hussein and turned him over to the Iraq justice system and they hung him. For a man you claim we did not defeat, he jerked the rope as they hung him. What happened to his ruthless sons? You are confused about Iraq. We did the job. But internal forces wanted control and the Iraq political forces had skirmishes with other Iraqis.

So, you think Iran came out just fine? How about that, no navy left, no air force and what about their magnificent army? Where the hell did it go?

 

[Quantrill]

It was a good start. Had the US done the normal policy of removing hostiles to a nice reservation, the entire South could have been repopulated by hardworking immigrants and freedmen in a generation.

Dumbass. How was it a good start when it shows you don't know anything? Which means your 'opinions' don't mean shit.

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

The case of Texas vs. White that Unkatore cited

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)

Texas v. White: States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation.

supreme.justia.com

I have now linked the actual opinion.

^^^

 

[Robert W]

It was a good start. Had the US done the normal policy of removing hostiles to a nice reservation, the entire South could have been repopulated by hardworking immigrants and freedmen in a generation.

What reservation do you have in mind for the present hostiles to ICE?

 

[Zincwarrior]

What reservation do you have in mind for the present hostiles to ICE?

If they foment secession and attack a US Army base? Kansas.

Dumbass. How was it a good start when it shows you don't know anything? Which means your 'opinions' don't mean shit.

Quantrill

admittedly its not the start that would have occurred had they been Lokotah.

 

[mikegriffith1]

If they [hostiles to ICE] foment secession and attack a US Army base? Kansas.

Anti-ICE "activists" are defying federal law, attacking ICE buildings and vehicles, obstructing ICE agents from doing their lawful duty, revealing the identifies of ICE agents, and actually assaulting ICE agents.

admittedly its not the start that would have occurred had they been Lokotah.

"Lokotah"? You mean the Lakota Indians? You know the Lakota were among the most vicious, hated, and predatory Indian tribes, right? They frequently brutalized other tribes, took their land, and expelled whomever they didn't kill or keep as slaves, which was the main reason that the Crow and the Pawnee, among others, were more than happy to supply scouts to the U.S. Army to track down the Lakota.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Anti-ICE "activists" are defying federal law, attacking ICE buildings and vehicles, obstructing ICE agents from doing their lawful duty, revealing the identifies of ICE agents, and actually assaulting ICE agents.

If they commit crimes they should be punished.

"Lokotah"? You mean the Lakota Indians? You know the Lakota were among the most vicious, hated, and predatory Indian tribes, right? They frequently brutalized other tribes, took their land, and expelled whomever they didn't kill or keep as slaves, which was the main reason that the Crow and the Pawnee, among others, were more than happy to supply scouts to the U.S. Army to track down the Lakota.

Yes. We did the same to the Cherokee. Resettlement was standard policy. Considering the blood bath the CSA did over their right to rape, murder, and torture an entire group, sounds appropriate.

 

[Robert W]

If they foment secession and attack a US Army base? Kansas.

What about the crimes the hostiles now have against ICE?

 

[Zincwarrior]

What about the crimes the hostiles now have against ICE?

As I said, prosecute them appropriately. If the fire on a US base with artillery send them to Kansas, or if you really don't them...Mississippi.

 

[Robert W]

As I said, prosecute them appropriately. If the fire on a US base with artillery send them to Kansas, or if you really don't them...Mississippi.

 

[Quantrill]

admittedly its not the start that would have occurred had they been Lokotah.

Sorry dumbass. Concerning your post #(227) you still don't know how stupid you are. Go back and review. Show your stupidity.

You are a perfect example of Yankee ignorance. Because Yankee ignorance doesn't give a shit that they are stupid.

To the Yankee, it doesn't matter that he is right or true. All that matters is that the Yankee is the one that said it.

Just keep bending over and taking that yankee smoke up your ass. Then belching it out in your lies.

Quantrill