If God is all powerful...

[Taz]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

The Devil has dominion of the Earth.

So the devil is more powerful than god?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

 

[westwall]

Maybe because the exercise of free will comes with consequences, both positive and negative. Your problem is that you want all the good stuff without the bad. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

I know it doesn't, my question is why did god make cancer and deformed babies? For what purpose?

Don't know, he hasn't told us yet but my guess is that he allows challenges to exist that require our compassion and attention. So, you want a world with no problems? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Maybe the better question is why hasn't humanity found cures yet for those afflictions and so many others? Is it his fault or ours that we're wasting so much time and money and blood on wars and such instead of what really is important?

So you don't know either. Got it.

You really think anyone on this planet can answer your question? Do you often ask questions for which no one has an answer, the best we can do is offer our own ideas. You don't have to agree, but you oughta at least show a little appreciation for the attempt.

I listened to your opinion and you have nothing. Not my fault. NEXT!

That's because you're not interested in discussion. You are merely the three year old brat screaming "i know you are, but what am I?"

 

[Taz]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

 

[Taz]

I know it doesn't, my question is why did god make cancer and deformed babies? For what purpose?

Don't know, he hasn't told us yet but my guess is that he allows challenges to exist that require our compassion and attention. So, you want a world with no problems? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Maybe the better question is why hasn't humanity found cures yet for those afflictions and so many others? Is it his fault or ours that we're wasting so much time and money and blood on wars and such instead of what really is important?

So you don't know either. Got it.

You really think anyone on this planet can answer your question? Do you often ask questions for which no one has an answer, the best we can do is offer our own ideas. You don't have to agree, but you oughta at least show a little appreciation for the attempt.

I listened to your opinion and you have nothing. Not my fault. NEXT!

That's because you're not interested in discussion. You are merely the three year old brat screaming "i know you are, but what am I?"

No, it's because your arrogant and obnoxious, plus you totally missed the point of what i was asking. Maybe if you tone down the attitude...

 

[norwegen]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

Should a God conform to your parameters of his form? Why would he? Could making God in your own image have disappointed you?

Best guess? God created it all. All of it was good. Perhaps it was all even perfect. Then the rest of everything happened. What I'm talking about is personal responsibility both on an individual and species level. Where I'm going with this is God made things--us included--then we messed it up/are still messing it up. In my opinion we need to take responsibility for most all the bad things you mention, not blame them on God. That's the biggest cop-out of all time. We need to take responsibility for misuse of free will, much the same way society holds us to standards defined by laws of other men.

It's all so constraining isn't it? This belief in God.

But if god created it all, why did he create imperfect humans? And you never answered why god made cancer, retardation...? Why didn't it give us a free will that wasn't fucked up?

I'll make it simple for you because that seems to be the limit of your intellect, according to the Christian tradition as i understand it, I am not a believer so I may be in error, but the basic tenets are man lives his life and at the end of it God judges based on how that life was led. Faith, is the realm of God. Faith is a spiritual realm. The Earth, on the other hand, is a TEMPORAL realm. That means it exists and mankind interacts within it.

Religious faith merely is interested in how you live the life that you were given. Your infantile nonsense, is just that. Infantile. When you get an education and grow up feel free to come back when you have an observation, or an argument that is beyond the 2nd grade level.

Christians are not judged (Jn 5:24; Rm 8:1); they are already citizens of the kingdom.

Faith is communion with God. The sin of the former covenant was idolatry. Faith in man-made gods and the secret arts, the bane of the"chosen people," is still the faith of the dogs and idolators outside the gates of the kingdom.

That's the gist of the Bible. God walks with man on the earth again. Through the church, He is glorified.

Nothing in the Scriptures says that the little blue ball floating in space is perfection. God does not promise a world without famine, war, and disease; only a garden of Eden, or a paradise, as Jesus and John the Divine call it, where God dwells with man (Rv 21:3).

If they are not religious are they still allowed in? If a person born a Christian never recognizes God, or Jesus, are they still allowed in to Heaven no matter what?

No one is born a Christian. The power of forgiveness and spirit of truth (as Jesus calls the Holy Spirit) makes one so. Christianity is power to transform the world. The apostasy of the Jews and moral relativism of the pagans are history.

This is the Church, where the kingdom of heaven begins. Seek that first, as Jesus said.

If you refuse, who knows? Oblivion, maybe? Or do you believe in hell?

 

[fncceo]

God doesn't "make babies". You do. He also doesn't control this shithole. Satan does
Remember the part in that old book where He offered Yeshua all of the kingdoms of the earth ? Yeshu told hin to **** off and refused but many, like your so-called founders, gladly accepted the one nation under the god of this earth. Get it ?

But if god is all powerful, couldn't it defeat satan?

You've obviously never played a video game
Using the 'god mode' is a cheat. It's no fun playing if you have to cheat.

But if you're god, can't you beat satan? Without cheating? Or is satan more powerful than god?

Obviously, the Jewish concept of the G-d / Satan relationship is different from the xtian one that dominates our culture. But, the way I understand the concept is that G-of sandbags his game to keep it close enough so that man still has free will over who he chooses to follow

Everyone knows the Harlem Globetrotters are going to cream The Generals, but if it's not close no one would watch.

 

[westwall]

Don't know, he hasn't told us yet but my guess is that he allows challenges to exist that require our compassion and attention. So, you want a world with no problems? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Maybe the better question is why hasn't humanity found cures yet for those afflictions and so many others? Is it his fault or ours that we're wasting so much time and money and blood on wars and such instead of what really is important?

So you don't know either. Got it.

You really think anyone on this planet can answer your question? Do you often ask questions for which no one has an answer, the best we can do is offer our own ideas. You don't have to agree, but you oughta at least show a little appreciation for the attempt.

I listened to your opinion and you have nothing. Not my fault. NEXT!

That's because you're not interested in discussion. You are merely the three year old brat screaming "i know you are, but what am I?"

No, it's because your arrogant and obnoxious, plus you totally missed the point of what i was asking. Maybe if you tone down the attitude...

No. I am not a believer in God so I simply don't care. You do. You think, in all of your infantile ignorance, that you are superior to people who believe in God. Thus you denigrate their beliefs, and you denigrate them. In other words, you are the very intolerant asshole that you claim them to be.

 

[norwegen]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

It's useless in Tinker Toys.

And you, like so many Christians, are a product of a 200-year tradition that has caricatured the Scriptures and the church.

 

[westwall]

Should a God conform to your parameters of his form? Why would he? Could making God in your own image have disappointed you?

Best guess? God created it all. All of it was good. Perhaps it was all even perfect. Then the rest of everything happened. What I'm talking about is personal responsibility both on an individual and species level. Where I'm going with this is God made things--us included--then we messed it up/are still messing it up. In my opinion we need to take responsibility for most all the bad things you mention, not blame them on God. That's the biggest cop-out of all time. We need to take responsibility for misuse of free will, much the same way society holds us to standards defined by laws of other men.

It's all so constraining isn't it? This belief in God.

But if god created it all, why did he create imperfect humans? And you never answered why god made cancer, retardation...? Why didn't it give us a free will that wasn't fucked up?

I'll make it simple for you because that seems to be the limit of your intellect, according to the Christian tradition as i understand it, I am not a believer so I may be in error, but the basic tenets are man lives his life and at the end of it God judges based on how that life was led. Faith, is the realm of God. Faith is a spiritual realm. The Earth, on the other hand, is a TEMPORAL realm. That means it exists and mankind interacts within it.

Religious faith merely is interested in how you live the life that you were given. Your infantile nonsense, is just that. Infantile. When you get an education and grow up feel free to come back when you have an observation, or an argument that is beyond the 2nd grade level.

Christians are not judged (Jn 5:24; Rm 8:1); they are already citizens of the kingdom.

Faith is communion with God. The sin of the former covenant was idolatry. Faith in man-made gods and the secret arts, the bane of the"chosen people," is still the faith of the dogs and idolators outside the gates of the kingdom.

That's the gist of the Bible. God walks with man on the earth again. Through the church, He is glorified.

Nothing in the Scriptures says that the little blue ball floating in space is perfection. God does not promise a world without famine, war, and disease; only a garden of Eden, or a paradise, as Jesus and John the Divine call it, where God dwells with man (Rv 21:3).

If they are not religious are they still allowed in? If a person born a Christian never recognizes God, or Jesus, are they still allowed in to Heaven no matter what?

No one is born a Christian. The power of forgiveness and spirit of truth (as Jesus calls the Holy Spirit) makes one so. Christianity is power to transform the world. The apostasy of the Jews and moral relativism of the pagans are history.

This is the Church, where the kingdom of heaven begins. Seek that first, as Jesus said.

If you refuse, who knows? Oblivion, maybe? Or do you believe in hell?

I don't believe either way. I have seen no evidence that there is a God, nor have I seen evidence that there isn't. I value the religious traditions for what they are, history, sanitary habits that kept people healthy, and a social contract that governed behavior that benefited their communities.

 

[task0778]

Maybe because the exercise of free will comes with consequences, both positive and negative. Your problem is that you want all the good stuff without the bad. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

I know it doesn't, my question is why did god make cancer and deformed babies? For what purpose?

Don't know, he hasn't told us yet but my guess is that he allows challenges to exist that require our compassion and attention. So, you want a world with no problems? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Maybe the better question is why hasn't humanity found cures yet for those afflictions and so many others? Is it his fault or ours that we're wasting so much time and money and blood on wars and such instead of what really is important?

So you don't know either. Got it.

You really think anyone on this planet can answer your question? Do you often ask questions for which no one has an answer, the best we can do is offer our own ideas. You don't have to agree, but you oughta at least show a little appreciation for the attempt.

I listened to your opinion and you have nothing. Not my fault. NEXT!

What I have is a belief system that works for me, if you don't agree or have your own then that's okay with me. But I've seen your opinion and you've got absolutely nothing and that ain't my fault either.

 

[task0778]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

Already answered. You just didn't like what you heard. Tough shit.

 

[task0778]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

It's useless in Tinker Toys.

And you, like so many Christians, are a product of a 200-year tradition that has caricatured the Scriptures and the church.

Did we narrow the discussion down to Christianity? There's quite a few other religions out there you know, with millions and billions of believers.

 

[norwegen]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

It's useless in Tinker Toys.

And you, like so many Christians, are a product of a 200-year tradition that has caricatured the Scriptures and the church.

Did we narrow the discussion down to Christianity? There's quite a few other religions out there you know, with millions and billions of believers.

No, we didn't narrow the discussion down to Christianity. It's what the thread was about from the beginning.

 

[airplanemechanic]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

Taz, I have family members dying as we speak from Cancer, I've lost a child, I've seen wonderful hard working co workers die of lung cancer and other illnesses and I've seen friends succumb to tragedies......and I say and pray to God, why, why why and he answers why not....We, all of us are here for such a short period of time and in that time, we must always adhere and remember that the works we put down, all is for the glory of being with our Lord and Savor some day.....this life is not eternal, but the after life is. Babies go to heaven, good people will go to heaven....grieve and then give praise...for the arms of Jesus is magnificent.

Ok it's official. Someone kidnapped Tiggered. Someone please call 911.

 

[task0778]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

It's useless in Tinker Toys.

And you, like so many Christians, are a product of a 200-year tradition that has caricatured the Scriptures and the church.

Did we narrow the discussion down to Christianity? There's quite a few other religions out there you know, with millions and billions of believers.

No, we didn't narrow the discussion down to Christianity. It's what the thread was about from the beginning.

Oh, I don't think so. It is for you, but there are a bunch of other people with different ideas and concepts about God and they are not Christians.

 

[DOTR]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

/----/ God doesn't answer to you, Bozo.

lol. I am amazed too. "God I cant create a Universe..but I've got a complaint..."

The hubris of the lout.

 

[ding]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

MLK responds...

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obtacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. This applies to the power of a gun, or a drug, or an argument, or even a sermon! Does it achieve its end? Does it fulfill its purpose?

We must realize that God's power is not put forward to get certain things done, but to get them done in a certain way, and with certain results in the lives of those who do them. We can see this clearly in human illustrations. My purpose in doing a crossword puzzle is not to fill in certain words. I could fill them in easily by waiting for tomorrow morning's paper. Filling them in without the answers is harder but much more satisfying, for it calls out resourcefulness, ingenuity, and discipline which by the easier way would find no self expression.
Similarly, to borrow an illustration from William James, eleven men battle desperately on a field, risking falling and injury, using up a prodigious amount of energy, and when we ask why, we learn that it is to get an inflated, leather covered sphere called a football across a goal. But if that is all, why doesn't someone get up in the night and put it there? Football games are not played to get a ball across a goal, but to get it there under certain conditions, in a certain way, with certain results in the lives of those concerned. Power to get the ball across the goal is to be interpreted in terms of purposes and only makes sense in the light of those purposes. Action, then, which defeats purpose is weakness. Power is the ability to fulfill purpose. No one knows what it cost God to refrain from intervention when wicked men put his beloved Son to death. But the restraint was not weakness. The Cross became the power of God unto salvation.

 

[mudwhistle]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

The Devil has dominion of the Earth.

So the devil is more powerful than god?

No......God isn't a Socialist.
He thinks we need to learn to fend for ourselves.

 

[norwegen]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

It's useless in Tinker Toys.

And you, like so many Christians, are a product of a 200-year tradition that has caricatured the Scriptures and the church.

Did we narrow the discussion down to Christianity? There's quite a few other religions out there you know, with millions and billions of believers.

No, we didn't narrow the discussion down to Christianity. It's what the thread was about from the beginning.

Oh, I don't think so. It is for you, but there are a bunch of other people with different ideas and concepts about God and they are not Christians.

The ideas and concepts of this thread start with Taz. He's the OP.