If God is all powerful...

[Taz]

I know it doesn't, my question is why did god make cancer and deformed babies? For what purpose?

Don't know, he hasn't told us yet but my guess is that he allows challenges to exist that require our compassion and attention. So, you want a world with no problems? Sorry, doesn't work that way. Maybe the better question is why hasn't humanity found cures yet for those afflictions and so many others? Is it his fault or ours that we're wasting so much time and money and blood on wars and such instead of what really is important?

So you don't know either. Got it.

You really think anyone on this planet can answer your question? Do you often ask questions for which no one has an answer, the best we can do is offer our own ideas. You don't have to agree, but you oughta at least show a little appreciation for the attempt.

I listened to your opinion and you have nothing. Not my fault. NEXT!

What I have is a belief system that works for me, if you don't agree or have your own then that's okay with me. But I've seen your opinion and you've got absolutely nothing and that ain't my fault either.

You have a made up belief system that's not rooted in reality. Carry on.

 

[Taz]

God is not a concierge. He does not exist to serve us.

But why did he make cancer in babies?

Already answered. You just didn't like what you heard. Tough shit.

Not answered but avoided, just like you did.

 

[Taz]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

MLK responds...

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obtacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. This applies to the power of a gun, or a drug, or an argument, or even a sermon! Does it achieve its end? Does it fulfill its purpose?

We must realize that God's power is not put forward to get certain things done, but to get them done in a certain way, and with certain results in the lives of those who do them. We can see this clearly in human illustrations. My purpose in doing a crossword puzzle is not to fill in certain words. I could fill them in easily by waiting for tomorrow morning's paper. Filling them in without the answers is harder but much more satisfying, for it calls out resourcefulness, ingenuity, and discipline which by the easier way would find no self expression.
Similarly, to borrow an illustration from William James, eleven men battle desperately on a field, risking falling and injury, using up a prodigious amount of energy, and when we ask why, we learn that it is to get an inflated, leather covered sphere called a football across a goal. But if that is all, why doesn't someone get up in the night and put it there? Football games are not played to get a ball across a goal, but to get it there under certain conditions, in a certain way, with certain results in the lives of those concerned. Power to get the ball across the goal is to be interpreted in terms of purposes and only makes sense in the light of those purposes. Action, then, which defeats purpose is weakness. Power is the ability to fulfill purpose. No one knows what it cost God to refrain from intervention when wicked men put his beloved Son to death. But the restraint was not weakness. The Cross became the power of God unto salvation.

MLK was a blow hard who beat up white women for kicks.

 

[Taz]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

The Devil has dominion of the Earth.

So the devil is more powerful than god?

No......God isn't a Socialist.
He thinks we need to learn to fend for ourselves.

So that's why he gives us cancer?

 

[Andylusion]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

G-d created a perfect world, where there was no evil, sin, cancer, deformity, or pain.

Man ruined that world, by rebelling against G-d. The Bible says that all of nature itself, groans. Romans 8:22.

This world, and everything in it, is not the way G-d intended it to be. It is this way because humans have rebelled and rejected G-d.

All of the consequences of that, including cancer and deformity, are the result of our actions rejecting G-d.

If you trip over something in the dark, you don't scream at the maker of the chair for making the chair hard on feet. You realize it's because you turned off the light, that caused you to trip on things.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him. When stuff trips us up, we can't blame G-d. We can only blame ourselves.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him.

the 1st century was a rejuvenation to put good before evil, the 4th century christian bible did the opposite returning the fold to evil.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

if that is all it takes to be rid of your god it is one to be glad to be free from.

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

G-d created a perfect world, where there was no evil, sin, cancer, deformity, or pain.

Man ruined that world, by rebelling against G-d. The Bible says that all of nature itself, groans. Romans 8:22.

This world, and everything in it, is not the way G-d intended it to be. It is this way because humans have rebelled and rejected G-d.

All of the consequences of that, including cancer and deformity, are the result of our actions rejecting G-d.

If you trip over something in the dark, you don't scream at the maker of the chair for making the chair hard on feet. You realize it's because you turned off the light, that caused you to trip on things.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him. When stuff trips us up, we can't blame G-d. We can only blame ourselves.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him.

the 1st century was a rejuvenation to put good before evil, the 4th century christian bible did the opposite returning the fold to evil.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

if that is all it takes to be rid of your god it is one to be glad to be free from.

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

 

[Andylusion]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

G-d created a perfect world, where there was no evil, sin, cancer, deformity, or pain.

Man ruined that world, by rebelling against G-d. The Bible says that all of nature itself, groans. Romans 8:22.

This world, and everything in it, is not the way G-d intended it to be. It is this way because humans have rebelled and rejected G-d.

All of the consequences of that, including cancer and deformity, are the result of our actions rejecting G-d.

If you trip over something in the dark, you don't scream at the maker of the chair for making the chair hard on feet. You realize it's because you turned off the light, that caused you to trip on things.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him. When stuff trips us up, we can't blame G-d. We can only blame ourselves.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him.

the 1st century was a rejuvenation to put good before evil, the 4th century christian bible did the opposite returning the fold to evil.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

if that is all it takes to be rid of your god it is one to be glad to be free from.

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

G-d created a perfect world, where there was no evil, sin, cancer, deformity, or pain.

Man ruined that world, by rebelling against G-d. The Bible says that all of nature itself, groans. Romans 8:22.

This world, and everything in it, is not the way G-d intended it to be. It is this way because humans have rebelled and rejected G-d.

All of the consequences of that, including cancer and deformity, are the result of our actions rejecting G-d.

If you trip over something in the dark, you don't scream at the maker of the chair for making the chair hard on feet. You realize it's because you turned off the light, that caused you to trip on things.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him. When stuff trips us up, we can't blame G-d. We can only blame ourselves.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him.

the 1st century was a rejuvenation to put good before evil, the 4th century christian bible did the opposite returning the fold to evil.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

if that is all it takes to be rid of your god it is one to be glad to be free from.

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

 

[Andylusion]

G-d created a perfect world, where there was no evil, sin, cancer, deformity, or pain.

Man ruined that world, by rebelling against G-d. The Bible says that all of nature itself, groans. Romans 8:22.

This world, and everything in it, is not the way G-d intended it to be. It is this way because humans have rebelled and rejected G-d.

All of the consequences of that, including cancer and deformity, are the result of our actions rejecting G-d.

If you trip over something in the dark, you don't scream at the maker of the chair for making the chair hard on feet. You realize it's because you turned off the light, that caused you to trip on things.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him. When stuff trips us up, we can't blame G-d. We can only blame ourselves.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

.

We humans turned off the light of G-d in this world by rejecting him.

the 1st century was a rejuvenation to put good before evil, the 4th century christian bible did the opposite returning the fold to evil.

It's like those people who banned G-d from schools, and now we have all these school shootings. You can't blame G-d for bad things happening, in places you banned him from.

if that is all it takes to be rid of your god it is one to be glad to be free from.

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

You still are completely characterizing.

If G-d demanded something, you would have no choice but to give it.

He's not demanding anything. So the entire premise of your argument is utterly false.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

A more important question might be why you disbelieve that God should not have the power to create what you perceive as good and bad?

*****SMILE*****

 

[Taz]

.
the 1st century was a rejuvenation to put good before evil, the 4th century christian bible did the opposite returning the fold to evil.


if that is all it takes to be rid of your god it is one to be glad to be free from.

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

You still are completely characterizing.

If G-d demanded something, you would have no choice but to give it.

He's not demanding anything. So the entire premise of your argument is utterly false.

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

 

[Andylusion]

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

You still are completely characterizing.

If G-d demanded something, you would have no choice but to give it.

He's not demanding anything. So the entire premise of your argument is utterly false.

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

No, that's not how this works.

You are going to burn for your own sins, yourself.

That's on you. Like a wife that chooses to cheat, chooses to destroy her marriage, like a man who chooses to not go to work chooses to be poor and impoverished...... you are sinful and evil, and will pay for your choices yourself.

That's 100%, on you. No one else. Not G-d, not your mother, not society.... just you.

G-d, and his book, are offering you forgiveness for your evil actions. If you accept that, and admit your evil and cruelty, he will forgive you, and offer you freedom from your evil, and salvation in Heaven after this life.

You are making the choice. Just you. You can choose to have G-d in your life, and reap the rewards.... or you choose to not have G-d in your life.... and... whatever you get is whatever you get.

Let me put it another way..... do you think a judges who puts a serial rapist and murderer in prison for life, is a tyrant? Or did the serial rapist and murderer, make their own choice in what happened to them, by choosing to engage in rape and murder?

You..... YOU... are the one making the choice. G-d will not force anything on you. You make the choice about what your eternity looks like.

 

[Taz]

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

You still are completely characterizing.

If G-d demanded something, you would have no choice but to give it.

He's not demanding anything. So the entire premise of your argument is utterly false.

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

No, that's not how this works.

You are going to burn for your own sins, yourself.

That's on you. Like a wife that chooses to cheat, chooses to destroy her marriage, like a man who chooses to not go to work chooses to be poor and impoverished...... you are sinful and evil, and will pay for your choices yourself.

That's 100%, on you. No one else. Not G-d, not your mother, not society.... just you.

G-d, and his book, are offering you forgiveness for your evil actions. If you accept that, and admit your evil and cruelty, he will forgive you, and offer you freedom from your evil, and salvation in Heaven after this life.

You are making the choice. Just you. You can choose to have G-d in your life, and reap the rewards.... or you choose to not have G-d in your life.... and... whatever you get is whatever you get.

Let me put it another way..... do you think a judges who puts a serial rapist and murderer in prison for life, is a tyrant? Or did the serial rapist and murderer, make their own choice in what happened to them, by choosing to engage in rape and murder?

You..... YOU... are the one making the choice. G-d will not force anything on you. You make the choice about what your eternity looks like.

Actually, there's more proof for re-incarnation than there is for a heaven or hell.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

If faith is the most powerful weapon...then why didn't we use it to end world war 2? Why did it take scientific enlightenment to drag us all (especially the Christians) out of the dark ages of not just technology, but also morality?

I reject your claim.

What makes you think scientific achievement the height of enlightenment and morality?

*****SMILE*****

 

[ChesBayJJ]

Well yeah of course. G-d is not a tyrant. He is not going to force his love and protection on you. If you want him out of your life, then he'll leave. He's going to respect your wishes to let you go it alone. Just don't yell, scream and whine when bad things happen in your life, because that's not G-d's fault. You wanted him out, so he is out. And when people get shot, and STDs are all over the place, and broken families and relationships throughout your life.... that's all you. He has nothing to do with it.

See, you think you just made a great point, but you just established the vanity, fecklessness, and immorality of God. God isn't a "peer", the way you describe him. You describe him as powerful and our creator. An entity that would create sentient creatures and then leave them to suffer if they don't believe in him without a shred of evidence is evil. Period.

By the way, you left out lots of horrible things that happen to people that are not their fault...by design, of course. Are those things humns' fault to? Please explain how. You can start with, oh...genetic disease.

And..
Go!

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

You still are completely characterizing.

If G-d demanded something, you would have no choice but to give it.

He's not demanding anything. So the entire premise of your argument is utterly false.

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

Which God? What book?

 

[Andylusion]

So you think that he should force you to want him in his life?

This is like being a man, with a wife who is having sex with every single guy in the neighborhood but you. A wife that does everything she can to cause you pain.

You would stay with such a woman? And pay her bills? And pay her car payment, while she screws everyone but you?

It's easy for people like you to say G-d should love you, even if you hate him, and that he should take care of you, even while you attack him, and reject him.

Little different when you are on the receiving end.

Again you paint god as an equal, or a peer. With that comes the judgment he deserves, which is that he is a vain, evil tyrant. Should a world leader or even a coworker act the way god does, demanding fealty and worship under penalty of suffering, you would consider that person to be awful. Are you sure this is the god you want to flaunt? That's the problem with your reasoning.

So, let's abandon that line of reasoning, as it embarrassed you greatly. Instead, let's get back to considering god to be much more.powerful and wise than are humans...akin to a parent, and his children. A parent would attempt to inhue their children with the tools to do what is right...in this case, as you say, worship the parents and give them in conditional love. Instead, god gaveGod gave himans sentience and powers of reason...then demands fealty and belief, under penalty of suffrring, without a shred of evidence.

It's truly evil and nauseating. Peddle your evil god to someone else.

You still are completely characterizing.

If G-d demanded something, you would have no choice but to give it.

He's not demanding anything. So the entire premise of your argument is utterly false.

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

No, that's not how this works.

You are going to burn for your own sins, yourself.

That's on you. Like a wife that chooses to cheat, chooses to destroy her marriage, like a man who chooses to not go to work chooses to be poor and impoverished...... you are sinful and evil, and will pay for your choices yourself.

That's 100%, on you. No one else. Not G-d, not your mother, not society.... just you.

G-d, and his book, are offering you forgiveness for your evil actions. If you accept that, and admit your evil and cruelty, he will forgive you, and offer you freedom from your evil, and salvation in Heaven after this life.

You are making the choice. Just you. You can choose to have G-d in your life, and reap the rewards.... or you choose to not have G-d in your life.... and... whatever you get is whatever you get.

Let me put it another way..... do you think a judges who puts a serial rapist and murderer in prison for life, is a tyrant? Or did the serial rapist and murderer, make their own choice in what happened to them, by choosing to engage in rape and murder?

You..... YOU... are the one making the choice. G-d will not force anything on you. You make the choice about what your eternity looks like.

Actually, there's more proof for re-incarnation than there is for a heaven or hell.

And you can choose to believe that if you wish. But don't say G-d is demanding anything, when you are making all your own choices as to what you believe.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Well if Mr. Sensitive (God) didn't want us scrutinizing his bad design, maybe he should not have created sentient creatures.

What makes you think you're sentient enough to truly understand God or God's works?

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[Damaged Eagle]

God is demanding that we follow a book or burn forever.

Since your OP simply attacks the concept of God which book would that be?

*****SMILE*****

 

[ding]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

MLK responds...

We are never to think of God's power in terms of what he could conceivably do by the exercise of what we may call sheer omnipotence which crushes all obtacles in its path. We are always to think of God's power in terms of his purpose. If what he did by sheer omnipotence defeated his purpose, then, however startling and impressive, it would be an expression of weakness, not of power. Indeed, a good definition of power is "ability to achieve purpose. This applies to the power of a gun, or a drug, or an argument, or even a sermon! Does it achieve its end? Does it fulfill its purpose?

We must realize that God's power is not put forward to get certain things done, but to get them done in a certain way, and with certain results in the lives of those who do them. We can see this clearly in human illustrations. My purpose in doing a crossword puzzle is not to fill in certain words. I could fill them in easily by waiting for tomorrow morning's paper. Filling them in without the answers is harder but much more satisfying, for it calls out resourcefulness, ingenuity, and discipline which by the easier way would find no self expression.
Similarly, to borrow an illustration from William James, eleven men battle desperately on a field, risking falling and injury, using up a prodigious amount of energy, and when we ask why, we learn that it is to get an inflated, leather covered sphere called a football across a goal. But if that is all, why doesn't someone get up in the night and put it there? Football games are not played to get a ball across a goal, but to get it there under certain conditions, in a certain way, with certain results in the lives of those concerned. Power to get the ball across the goal is to be interpreted in terms of purposes and only makes sense in the light of those purposes. Action, then, which defeats purpose is weakness. Power is the ability to fulfill purpose. No one knows what it cost God to refrain from intervention when wicked men put his beloved Son to death. But the restraint was not weakness. The Cross became the power of God unto salvation.

MLK was a blow hard who beat up white women for kicks.

Maybe, maybe not. You don't have perfect knowledge of that either. But either way, it doesn't change the answer.

You lack perfect knowledge why God would create the world he did, so you attempt to fit God into your limited and flawed way of seeing things.

westwall nailed you.

westwall nails taz...

 

[CMike]

...Why does it makes babies with cancer, or retarded, or deformed, or in pain, or even with all of that together? Is god not capable of a perfect creation? Is it a punishment of some sort?

We don't know what GDs plan is.