I will not cooperate! A statement of scientifically and constitutionally backed defiance

[Crepitus]

Curious, so is a business also allowed to segregate you based on their religious or political beliefs?

Last I checked, that is, you guessed it, discrimination.

Is it discriminatory to insist you wear pants?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Bullshit. You do not have the right to put others at risk.

What risk is there? Especially now? Can you show me?

Is all you have a 'variant' with a .08 fatality rate?

Your false piousness rests on fear, not facts.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Is it discriminatory to insist you wear pants?

Were you even reading this thread at all? I think my response is contained somewhere in the conversation I had with Mad Jack.

I can't help you if you're too lazy to look for it yourself.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think nearly 3 hours on one thread is enough.

Time for supper. See ya.

 

[EvMetro]

Can anyone answer this hypothetical?

I got vaxxed, then contract a case of non-hospitalization Covid. I recover and now have antibodies on top of the vaxx.
Do I then need to get a booster?

If you ask a lefty, the answer is that you will ALWAYS need the next vax.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not wearing a mask, nor am I getting vaccinated. You will have to tie me down to a chair first. I will not cooperate with mask mandates or vaccine passports.

1. Because I have to wear a mask if I am vaccinated.

2. I have to get vaccinated even if I catch and recover from COVID.

3. Children, with naturally superior immune systems to adults, still have to wear masks and get vaccinated.

4. There are credible reports stating that instead of simply immunizing someone from COVID and/or preventing them from spreading the virus to others, there is a risk that it does neither. People are catching the virus despite being vaccinated, or worse, catching it and spreading it regardless of vaccination, whereas it may lessen the symptoms, but it won't stop transmission.

5. None of the above or the recommendations I see coming from the CDC *or from the 'pro-science' left'* mesh with established science on human immunology, biology, or interaction with viruses.

Namely, the human immune system has a memory. So if you catch a virus and recover from it, your immune system will fight it off more efficiently the next time you are infected with it, thus eliminating the need for a vaccine or a mask. Common sense, scientific fact.

Nextly, a vaccine is supposed to prime your immune system against a virus you have yet to be infected with. It is not meant for people who have already caught the virus and recovered from it. If it can't protect an immune system that hasn't been exposed to the virus (IE, a person catches the virus despite being vaccinated one or multiple times), it is useless. If it cannot stop the spread of the virus in addition, it is doubly useless.

Moreover, if you were naturally or artificially immunized against the virus, you shouldn't be forced to wear a mask, which itself offers insufficient protection from a virus that is smaller than the spaces between the interwoven fibers of the mask. Science says your body should be able to recognize and defeat the virus from now on, eliminating the need for a mask. Common sense.

I will not take an imperfect vaccine. I will not be responsible for transmitting this virus to someone else, risking the well-being of family or friends in the process.

Lastly, vaccine passports are tantamount to segregation, not against race, but against people who exercise their liberty to make conscious decisions about their own health and their own bodies (sound familiar?). If a woman can make a choice about her body in regards to abortion or birth, then a person should be allowed to decide whether or not to wear a mask or get vaccinated. We shouldn't have to be discussing stuff like this in a supposedly *free* country.

I WILL NOT COOPERATE. YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY LIBERTIES AWAY FROM ME.

Thank you and good day.

Illegals everywhere rejoice that they can use You as their example.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

The Covid Vaccine is not a cure and is a vaccine to prevent severe sickness and even then it fails at times and death will result from it.

You can be vaccinated and still contract the virus and spread it, and youth can contract the virus and spread it without showing signs.

As for masks that is a State and Local Government choice and private business choice.

Private Business has the right to enforce mask wearing or say it is optional or just refuse to enforce it until required by local or state authorities.

A business and government can deny you access and have that right to do so.

As for me and let me be clear it is your choice and I will never demand you do anything!

>You can be vaccinated and still contract the virus and spread it, and youth can contract the virus and spread it without showing signs.

This is the narrative we are all hearing from the MSM these days. Let's think about this for a bit.

I am a bit skeptical about it being as cut and dry an explanation of the non-scientific nonsense we are witnessing where vaccinated people are told to wear masks.

If someone is not symptomatic, how do they know they have the virus?

The narrative says it comes from testing positive. This means the results from a PCR test, where they multiply fragments of the virus by 38-45 factors of two (over a trillion times).

These tests have an official reported false positive rate in well-controlled studies of 0.3-3%, so let's say 1.5% It's probably much higher in widespread use by less-trained administers.

So far, we have administered nearly 80 million COVID tests with nearly seven million reported positive results. Therefore, there are well over one million false positives.

If two people from the same household get false positives, that will be treated as proof that there can be asymptomatic transmission.

I remain skeptical until this is ruled out. The PCR tests are notoriously inaccurate and would explain the "unique behavior" of this virus.

NIH false-positive rate of PCR tests:

Physicians’ Dilemma of False-Positive RT-PCR for COVID-19: a Case Report

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has played havoc on this world’s health and economics since its outbreak in December 2019. Reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) has been the gold standard to diagnose severe acute respiratory ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

These are my own recent ideas, and I would appreciate critique, as I have not researched extensively.

CDC says they observed "no cases of asymptomatic transmission" here:

Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2

wwwnc.cdc.gov

>As for me and let me be clear it is your choice and I will never demand you do anything!

Nice comment.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Illegals everywhere rejoice that they can use You as their example.

Well, I mean, Biden did set the standard.

Was there anything else you wanted to say?

 

[danielpalos]

Well, I mean, Biden did set the standard.

Was there anything else you wanted to say?

Only right-wingers have a problem with natural rights external to abortion threads.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Only right-wingers have a problem with natural rights external to abortion threads.

And only left-wingers like you have trouble with nuance. Because I never made any positions on abortion in this thread. Just theoretical ones.

Let's try to keep up.

 

[idb]

If I fire my rifle down a crowded street...everyone in that street only has a fraction of a percentage risk of getting hit...even smaller of being killed.
Why are my rights infinged so that I can't fire off anywhere at anytime when the odds are so small that any particular person will be hurt?

 

[Lesh]

If you ask a lefty, the answer is that you will ALWAYS need the next vax.

WTF?

A lot of people get a yearly flu shot.

Are you campaigning against that as well?

 

[XponentialChaos]

It is your right to maintain a pacifistic standpoint.

Interestingly, what do you define as "unjust"?

The protected classes can’t be discriminated against. Everything else is fair game.

Simple.

 

[danielpalos]

And only left-wingers like you have trouble with nuance. Because I never made any positions on abortion in this thread. Just theoretical ones.

Let's try to keep up.

You are not the only right-winger in town. It is a fixed Standard for them.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Can anyone answer this hypothetical?

I got vaxxed, then contract a case of non-hospitalization Covid. I recover and now have antibodies on top of the vaxx.
Do I then need to get a booster?

Yes, and lapel pin to proclaim you’re both vaccinated and have auto immunity. Along with a mask of course. You still need that.

 

[freyasman]

Supposedly the vaccines lessens the symptoms and keep us from overwhelming the Hospital System.

Right....


The same hospitals that never even came close to being overwhelmed.

 

[freyasman]

Bullshit. You do not have the right to put others at risk.

Sorry for you lack of common sense.

Bullshit.

You don't have any authority to restrict the movement of anyone because of your fear that they might, possibly, maybe could, in some strange circumstances, under certain conditions, in some alternate universe, pose a slight risk, in your opinion, that you MIGHT catch an almost entirely harmless little flu.

And you're one sorry excuse for a man if you think you do.

 

[freyasman]

If I fire my rifle down a crowded street...everyone in that street only has a fraction of a percentage risk of getting hit...even smaller of being killed.
Why are my rights infinged so that I can't fire off anywhere at anytime when the odds are so small that any particular person will be hurt?

Okay, I'm cool with that.


We'll just shoot back.

 

[Kondor3]

I am not wearing a mask, nor am I getting vaccinated. You will have to tie me down to a chair first. I will not cooperate with mask mandates or vaccine passports.

1. Because I have to wear a mask if I am vaccinated.

2. I have to get vaccinated even if I catch and recover from COVID.

3. Children, with naturally superior immune systems to adults, still have to wear masks and get vaccinated.

4. There are credible reports stating that instead of simply immunizing someone from COVID and/or preventing them from spreading the virus to others, there is a risk that it does neither. People are catching the virus despite being vaccinated, or worse, catching it and spreading it regardless of vaccination, whereas it may lessen the symptoms, but it won't stop transmission.

5. None of the above or the recommendations I see coming from the CDC *or from the 'pro-science' left'* mesh with established science on human immunology, biology, or interaction with viruses.

Namely, the human immune system has a memory. So if you catch a virus and recover from it, your immune system will fight it off more efficiently the next time you are infected with it, thus eliminating the need for a vaccine or a mask. Common sense, scientific fact.

Nextly, a vaccine is supposed to prime your immune system against a virus you have yet to be infected with. It is not meant for people who have already caught the virus and recovered from it. If it can't protect an immune system that hasn't been exposed to the virus (IE, a person catches the virus despite being vaccinated one or multiple times), it is useless. If it cannot stop the spread of the virus in addition, it is doubly useless.

Moreover, if you were naturally or artificially immunized against the virus, you shouldn't be forced to wear a mask, which itself offers insufficient protection from a virus that is smaller than the spaces between the interwoven fibers of the mask. Science says your body should be able to recognize and defeat the virus from now on, eliminating the need for a mask. Common sense.

I will not take an imperfect vaccine. I will not be responsible for transmitting this virus to someone else, risking the well-being of family or friends in the process.

Lastly, vaccine passports are tantamount to segregation, not against race, but against people who exercise their liberty to make conscious decisions about their own health and their own bodies (sound familiar?). If a woman can make a choice about her body in regards to abortion or birth, then a person should be allowed to decide whether or not to wear a mask or get vaccinated. We shouldn't have to be discussing stuff like this in a supposedly *free* country.

I WILL NOT COOPERATE. YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY LIBERTIES AWAY FROM ME.

Thank you and good day.

Then there is a much better chance that you will end-up six feet under rather than someone with more common sense. Good luck.

 

[Kondor3]

Bullshit.

You don't have any authority to restrict the movement of anyone because of your fear that they might, possibly, maybe could, in some strange circumstances, under certain conditions, in some alternate universe, pose a slight risk, in your opinion, that you MIGHT catch an almost entirely harmless little flu.

And you're one sorry excuse for a man if you think you do.

And that's where you're wrong...

All it takes is a declaration of a state of national emergency...