I was wrong about Covid 19, and you probably was too.

[MisterBeale]

I put this in Politics because if I put it in health, few will see it. As well as politics of this virus was clouding my mind in the same way it has clouded all of our minds.
As mentioned before, my son is a Respiratory Care Specialist at one of the nations leading Children's hospitals and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist at a large metropolitan hospital/trauma center. When I say they are on the front lines of this, I mean they are on the front lines.
Up until Friday, I was not that concerned about getting it, or my wife or the two of them. Like most, I was comfortable in the knowledge that it is primarily a concern for the very old/folks with underlying illness.
That is no longer the case.
This weekend, all over the country hospitals are getting much younger patients that require life saving care - and they have no other illness. And the numbers you are seeing reported are not representative of the actual numbers. It is higher.
Like many, I scoffed at all of these restrictions the government was laying out. 4 states with "stay at home" orders. I thought this was over reacting.
Until I got a call from both my kids. Especially my daughter, upset and for the first time afraid and scared. "It is really bad here Dad, we are getting more and more and they are getting younger".
A 32 year old, who 48 hours earlier was at work, feeling a little funny. Last night he was on life support and fighting for his life. Add more to that. Kids also.

The situation is evolving. And it is changing in not a good way.
Take it serious folks. Don't wait until it effects you or someone you know. Change what you are doing now.
Thank God our government took this more seriously than we did.... I guess they knew more than us.




On a good note. The malaria drug is showing promise. Yesterday a 66 year old at the hospital was in critical condition on a breathing machine. He has received 2 malaria shots, is now off the machine and sitting up and talking. It isn't working for everyone, but it is clearly having positive results on some.

Na, I'm still fine with my first opinion and refusal to panic. America should be ashamed of its self. What ever happened to common sense? Covering your mouth when you caugh or sneeze, staying away from old people when your sick using the disinfecting wipes that have always been at the supermarket? What does America do? They hide under their beds and stick their hands out for money.

There is fundamental reality of the political divide that does not get enough attention.. The main divisions of the 2 "brand name" political tribes form along a line divided by ONE WORD....

And that word is RISK...

Those on the left think that's the dirtiest word... They want NO financial risks. They want NO food or medicine risks.. They believe in listing 4200 items in Cali as "possible carcinogenics". They believe there is such a thing as "clean water" outside a laboratory...

They don't even want to risk being made UNCOMFORTABLE by speech that troubles them..

And it's the same here... For anything "bipartisan" to happen, you have to make it appear that it is "ZERO" resultant risk to their lives...

IMO, this is very closely related to the notion of what life is about, what has value.

For the right, they have faith in a higher power, in something more than the material, so this world is not the end all. They have much less fear and more faith over what fate will bring, nor do they fear the material world as much as the left.

OTH, for the left, the only thing that matters is material things. FEAR is palpable, there can be no risk, because it means everything. Family, friends, even their pet cat, these are the things they live for. There are no higher virtues, or high collective consciousness pulling it all together, nothing to have faith in.

The physical life IS everything, so it is precious. It must not be interfered with, not by someone else's right to own a gun, nor an inconvenient pregnancy.

OTH, for the right, fate, the decisions of divine providence, will in the end, lead to better outcomes. The individual materialistic decisions of folks trying to find comfort in the here and now? These are not the most import things in the grand scheme of the universe.

This is why our reactions to pandemics have changed over time. When there was more faith in the creator, we were less afraid of what the future would bring, and thus, the social systems and the economy were more important to civilization than the lives of individuals. Now?

It seems the lives of individuals are the most important priority, even if it means ending businesses and tanking the economy, or giving governments all of our sovereignty and power.

 

[iceberg]

i can't do these nested quotes.

 

[Siete]

RW idiots didnt get it last month, last week, today, and wont get it tomorrow - they will insist on being shown, and that possibility exists.

protecting themselves protects others - that leads to a decline in spreading the virus, that leads to this country stabilizing and recovering.

then they can piss their britches about loosing their f'n sovereignty and power.

END OF STORY

 

[Nostra]

Three days ago:

Yesterday:

Today:

Actually (i.e. later today) it's already up to 49,594 with 622 perished. We're actually about to top fifty thousand, the third country to do so after China and Italy, and leading the world in new infections detected.

Looks like President Trump's ramped up testing is working. Nice job, President Trump.

1.2% mortality rate in the US. Nice job, President Trump.

Thanks for the numbers.

All these members calculated wrong.. You cannot GET a mortality rate if you DO NOT know the infection rate.. From listening to Fauci and whatshername, the ONLY estimates on mortality assume that ACTUAL infections are about twice the "Diagnosed cases" numbers... So don't divide "diagnosed" by "mortality"... It's a guess and the REAL NUMBER is 0.75%... Fauci confirmed that GUESS yesterday...

That's FAR BETTER than the 2 or 4% that MANY were projecting and apparently, some politicos are pandering with fear to the public...

NOBODY knows the "infection" numbers because MANY FOLKS present entirely Asymptomatic, don't seek/need med help, or are misdiagnosed as some other respiratory disease because the cases are mild enough... They are simply (for now) taking the diagnosed cases and multiplying by about 2....

Obviously they have no way of knowing exact numbers. I was using the ones Pogo pulled out of his ass.

I will be interested in seeing how he calculated a US mortality rate of over 62% from his numbers.

Actually the numbers are right off the stats on Worldometer where we've all been tracking them. "Exact" is exactly what they are, although, and I seem to be the only one of us noting this, they're also fluid.

You have 983 total resolved cases. Of those 622 died and 361 have recovered (so far --- which is exactly why I stipulated "so far"... that number can and will rise).

Whelp, then you take the number 622 (dead -- you see, "mortality" means "dead), and divide it into the number 983 (the total). And you get 62.3%. See how simple?

Here, let me educate you since you are clearly ignorant as to how mortality rate is calculated...'


Case fatality rate, also called case fatality ratio, in epidemiology, the proportion of people who die from a specified disease among all individuals diagnosed with the disease over a certain period of time.

Case fatality rate | epidemiology

Case fatality rate, in epidemiology, the proportion of people who die from a specified disease among all individuals diagnosed with the disease over a certain period of time. Case fatality rate typically is used as a measure of disease severity and is often used for prognosis (predicting disease

www.britannica.com

IF the disease is REPORTED or accurately differentiated from SIMILAR symptoms/tests. We're not there yet because of the # of unreported, misdiagnosed, etc....

Who cares. I was demonstrating the fact Pogo is ignorant on how mortality rate is calculated. Idiot thinks it is over 62% in the US.

That's changed. It's now 64.4%. More deaths reported.

It's also ---AGAIN---- meaningless unti those numbers have enough time to settle.

I showed you how the medical community, and all other thinking people, calculate the mortality rate.

Only a blithering idiot would think you calculate it the way you are calculating it, which explains your problem.

No, Intestinal Tract, you linked to a Worldometer page which disproves your bullshit.

Let's go there even now, and see what it says. Ready?

>>
How to calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak

At present, it is tempting to estimate the case fatality rate by dividing the number of known deaths by the number of confirmed cases. The resulting number, however, does not represent the true case fatality rate and might be off by orders of magnitude [...]

A precise estimate of the case fatality rate is therefore impossible at present.

2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV): estimating the case fatality rate – a word of caution - Battegay Manue et al., Swiss Med Wkly, February 7, 2020


The case fatality rate (CFR) represents the proportion of cases who eventually die from a disease.

Once an epidemic has ended, it is calculated with the formula: deaths / cases.

But while an epidemic is still ongoing, as it is the case with the current novel coronavirus outbreak, this formula is, at the very least, "naïve" and can be "misleading if, at the time of analysis, the outcome is unknown for a non negligible proportion of patients." [8]
<<

Weird how every country and WHO have the mortality rate at 1-4%, depending on location.....................and you have it at over 62% for the US.

Link us up to anyone who tries to calculate it the way you are trying to, moron.

Link is already upstairs in 578. I even had to explain how to read it. Even though the calculation is RIGHT THERE ON THE PAGE.

This is from YOUR LINK IN 578:

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Mortality Rate
Last updated: March 5, 3:00 GMT
See also: Death Rate by Age and Sex of COVID-19 patients
On this page:

• 3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the WHO as of March 3
• Mortality Rate in China as of Feb. 20 (3.8% nationwide, 5.8% in Wuhan, 0.7% other areas)
• Mortality Rate in China as of Feb. 4 (2.1% nationwide, 4.9% Wuhan, 3.1% Hubei, and 0.16% other provinces) reported by the NHC of China
• Study providing a tentative mortality rate of 3%
• Death rate among patients admitted to hospital (HFR): 15%
• Days from first symptom to death: 14 days
• Comparison with other viruses
• How to calculate the mortality rate during an outbreak

3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3


So, tell us who calculates mortality rates like you do when you get to 62%

Looks like Pogo finally realized what a blithering moron he is.

About time.

 

[Leo123]

I say shutting everything down like it is, is a bad idea.

Sure, people get sick and die, but the majority of people wouldn't and are being hurt bad by this.

-Someone not looking to have to donate to homeless former restaurant owners.

Might as well shut down America's highways. Far more deaths there.

 

[eagle1462010]

argue til youre purple - I'm staying home, PERIOD.

my housekeeper called this am and promised to wear a mask, gloves, keep a 10 foot distance between us then wipe down everything she came in contact with before she leaves - IF SHE CAN JUST HAVE HER JOB BACK.


empty wallets breed logical decisions -

Your Arrogance of how you typed that disgusts me. Pure ELITIST ARROGANCE........

If that is how you talk about your worker.........and she still works for you........She is probably an ILLEGAL ALIEN...........because I don't see how anyone in their right mind would work for someone with THAT MUCH ARROGANCE.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Bruce Daniels]

I put this in Politics because if I put it in health, few will see it. As well as politics of this virus was clouding my mind in the same way it has clouded all of our minds.
As mentioned before, my son is a Respiratory Care Specialist at one of the nations leading Children's hospitals and my daughter is a Respiratory Therapist at a large metropolitan hospital/trauma center. When I say they are on the front lines of this, I mean they are on the front lines.
Up until Friday, I was not that concerned about getting it, or my wife or the two of them. Like most, I was comfortable in the knowledge that it is primarily a concern for the very old/folks with underlying illness.
That is no longer the case.
This weekend, all over the country hospitals are getting much younger patients that require life saving care - and they have no other illness. And the numbers you are seeing reported are not representative of the actual numbers. It is higher.
Like many, I scoffed at all of these restrictions the government was laying out. 4 states with "stay at home" orders. I thought this was over reacting.
Until I got a call from both my kids. Especially my daughter, upset and for the first time afraid and scared. "It is really bad here Dad, we are getting more and more and they are getting younger".
A 32 year old, who 48 hours earlier was at work, feeling a little funny. Last night he was on life support and fighting for his life. Add more to that. Kids also.

The situation is evolving. And it is changing in not a good way.
Take it serious folks. Don't wait until it effects you or someone you know. Change what you are doing now.
Thank God our government took this more seriously than we did.... I guess they knew more than us.




On a good note. The malaria drug is showing promise. Yesterday a 66 year old at the hospital was in critical condition on a breathing machine. He has received 2 malaria shots, is now off the machine and sitting up and talking. It isn't working for everyone, but it is clearly having positive results on some.

I would think there would be more young people dying then.

I think the youngest death outside of China, is still a man in his 40s, who had a pre-existing condition.

Now I get it that some people younger are having hard conditions, but that's a minority, correct?

Wrong on all counts. A teen-ager in California has died from the coronavirus. Yes, most people who contract covid-19 will recover, but no one is invulnerable.

L.A. County teen’s death may be coronavirus-related. Here’s what we know

Health officials say the death underscores the threat coronavirus poses to the entire population.

www.latimes.com

 

[Bruce Daniels]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm sure that's a comforting thought for those people who lost loved ones to the disease.

That is such a bullshit argument.

And that's such a witty retort!

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Masks don't prevent the spread of those that don't have it but only for those that do, so why did you give them masks? Your lies are funny.

Yeah I know that now. However that shows my thinking even before it really started hitting. If I could figure it out as a layperson, why didnt that fuckup in the WH know something was wrong? Simple. He was more worried about his numbers than the people.

He did. No one knew what it was exactly until it was too late. Like you, Trump is human. Hell the NBA halted their season too late too. The impact of Trumps decisions has massive negatives on our economy and human psyche. Do you really blame him for waiting a little longer to completely shut the country down? One of my clients told me life was not worth living as he had to lay off 150+ people. He has three young kids at home. Trump is doing the best he can. Even on this board people are arguing if he overreacted. Opinions differ. This is an extremely difficult and unprecedented situation. I hope your family is safe. Despite our feud, I wish for health and happiness for you and yours. Look at the bright side, my people seem to have discovered an effective treatment.

Teva donates potential coronavirus treatment to hospitals across the US

I expect a mass collapse of small businesses because of this. A month closed will kill damn near every independent restaurant in the country.

There are places where I live that are doing take out however, many restaurants depend on their ambience and will still have to pay for the brick and mortar. I hope you are wrong though.

Most restaurants make 25-40% of their income from something that they cannot sell: alcohol!

My neighbor is in a panic, because he has rent, taxes, and a pile of other bills due, and no idea how he'll pay any of it.

Texas is now allowing the sale of alcohol by restaurants for curbside pick up and delivery.

if liquor stores are open it's silly to pay restaurant prices for booze

I think the point is to help local business get thru this, not get the best deal.

It kind of is always about getting the best deal IMO

Not always. If a majority of your local restaurants don't survive this life will not be the same. A buddy of mine had a great idea...........he ordered pick up from his favorite local spot and also bought a $500 gift certificate to help them with cash flow. If I had to guess, he will never even use it.

Hey, I agree with you on this! Everybody should do what they can to support their local businesses.

Even if it spreads the virus more

What a fucking hypocrite you are

No, not if it spreads the virus more, jackass. Where did you get that? Restaurants, for example, are doing take-out and delivery as much as they can and my wife placed an order at a local place today. Also, I picked up an order from a book store the other day. I called the store from the parking lot and somebody brought my package out and put it in my trunk. We didn't come into physical contact at all.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Folks this is another Coup attempt. China is working with the demofks. they are pushing false information. I still haven't seen one person talk about their loved ones dying. Not one. Where's the media with that if this is real? My city has zero. nothing in the hospitals. Call your local hospitals and let me know. I bet they don't have any patients. go for it.

My step grandson works for a hospital. They don't have any cases. The other nearby hospital doesn't have any either.

How many more are there?

Well, obviously, if your step-grandson hasn't seen any cases at the hospital where he works, the whole thing must be a hoax. Why don't you tell everyone how things are a month from now, OK?

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Folks this is another Coup attempt. China is working with the demofks. they are pushing false information. I still haven't seen one person talk about their loved ones dying. Not one. Where's the media with that if this is real? My city has zero. nothing in the hospitals. Call your local hospitals and let me know. I bet they don't have any patients. go for it.

My step grandson works for a hospital. They don't have any cases. The other nearby hospital doesn't have any either.

How many more are there?

Well I've been calling around me and so far, none. In fact, the data that I have from a reliable source investigating in the area is that only 6 people in my county supposedly have it. That seems impossible that if it were so fking dangerous, only six people would have it in a county in illinois.

Yep, it's obviously a hoax, since you haven't been able to find more people with the disease. And certainly, no more people could possibly catch it. It's all over, right?

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Folks this is another Coup attempt. China is working with the demofks. they are pushing false information. I still haven't seen one person talk about their loved ones dying. Not one. Where's the media with that if this is real? My city has zero. nothing in the hospitals. Call your local hospitals and let me know. I bet they don't have any patients. go for it.

My step grandson works for a hospital. They don't have any cases. The other nearby hospital doesn't have any either.

How many more are there?

Well I've been calling around me and so far, none. In fact, the data that I have from a reliable source investigating in the area is that only 6 people in my county supposedly have it. That seems impossible that if it were so fking dangerous, only six people would have it in a county in illinois.

6 people have it. In my county 65 people have it. We don't know what that means. People are using the term tests positive for sick. In truth it means tests positive but healthy. No recoveries. Because no one is actually sick.

Democrats have flimflammed this all upon us

OMG! You've perceived the truth! Now the democrat death squads... well, never mind about that.

 

[Leo123]

No, not if it spreads the virus more, jackass. Where did you get that? Restaurants, for example, are doing take-out and delivery as much as they can and my wife placed an order at a local place today. Also, I picked up an order from a book store the other day. I called the store from the parking lot and somebody brought my package out and put it in my trunk. We didn't come into physical contact at all.

Yes but we need to be careful, not stupid. Take Out will infect you as well you know. In fact, don't pump gas, don't go to the grocery store and DON't TOUCH THAT PACKAGE!!!! Have you heard how long that virus can live on surfaces????? Wash your hands with alcohol (70%) before touching ANYTHING!!! For God's SAKE!!!! Have you no decency????

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Folks this is another Coup attempt. China is working with the demofks. they are pushing false information. I still haven't seen one person talk about their loved ones dying. Not one. Where's the media with that if this is real? My city has zero. nothing in the hospitals. Call your local hospitals and let me know. I bet they don't have any patients. go for it.

My step grandson works for a hospital. They don't have any cases. The other nearby hospital doesn't have any either.

How many more are there?

Well I've been calling around me and so far, none. In fact, the data that I have from a reliable source investigating in the area is that only 6 people in my county supposedly have it. That seems impossible that if it were so fking dangerous, only six people would have it in a county in illinois.

6 people have it. In my county 65 people have it. We don't know what that means. People are using the term tests positive for sick. In truth it means tests positive but healthy. No recoveries. Because no one is actually sick.

Democrats have flimflammed this all upon us

agree. I'm still trying to grasp how someone got tested that isn't sick when the guidance was to test only those with symptoms. That's why I challenge all of the numbers. all of them. BTW, all the numbers for global warming are spread just like this was. Hence my basis.

Yes! No numbers can be believed! Make up your own numbers! They're just as good! In fact, better! Because they're YOUR numbers!

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Folks this is another Coup attempt. China is working with the demofks. they are pushing false information. I still haven't seen one person talk about their loved ones dying. Not one. Where's the media with that if this is real? My city has zero. nothing in the hospitals. Call your local hospitals and let me know. I bet they don't have any patients. go for it.

My step grandson works for a hospital. They don't have any cases. The other nearby hospital doesn't have any either.

How many more are there?

Well I've been calling around me and so far, none. In fact, the data that I have from a reliable source investigating in the area is that only 6 people in my county supposedly have it. That seems impossible that if it were so fking dangerous, only six people would have it in a county in illinois.

6 people have it. In my county 65 people have it. We don't know what that means. People are using the term tests positive for sick. In truth it means tests positive but healthy. No recoveries. Because no one is actually sick.

Democrats have flimflammed this all upon us

agree. I'm still trying to grasp how someone got tested that isn't sick when the guidance was to test only those with symptoms. That's why I challenge all of the numbers. all of them. BTW, all the numbers for global warming are spread just like this was. Hence my basis.

They could have a cold or Type a or b Flu......not the Coronavirus .........a few months back I was sick for a few days.........Guy came to work with the Flu......had a 103 degree temp.......went home after a few hours........was there long enough to give out the Flu.

He got tested..........confirmed a and b Flu............I used the old remedy.......Buried in covers and sweated it out.........with Vicks Vapor Rub..........

Google that........the docs of today would call it an Urban Legend.........and they are full of it.....the Old Docs said do it..........and it WORKS.

Yes, part of the problem is that coronavirus causes symptoms that are very similar to the flu, so it can be difficult to distinguish the two. But that doesn't mean that they're the same.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Folks this is another Coup attempt. China is working with the demofks. they are pushing false information. I still haven't seen one person talk about their loved ones dying. Not one. Where's the media with that if this is real? My city has zero. nothing in the hospitals. Call your local hospitals and let me know. I bet they don't have any patients. go for it.

My step grandson works for a hospital. They don't have any cases. The other nearby hospital doesn't have any either.

How many more are there?

Well I've been calling around me and so far, none. In fact, the data that I have from a reliable source investigating in the area is that only 6 people in my county supposedly have it. That seems impossible that if it were so fking dangerous, only six people would have it in a county in illinois.

6 people have it. In my county 65 people have it. We don't know what that means. People are using the term tests positive for sick. In truth it means tests positive but healthy. No recoveries. Because no one is actually sick.

Democrats have flimflammed this all upon us

agree. I'm still trying to grasp how someone got tested that isn't sick when the guidance was to test only those with symptoms. That's why I challenge all of the numbers. all of them. BTW, all the numbers for global warming are spread just like this was. Hence my basis.

They could have a cold or Type a or b Flu......not the Coronavirus .........a few months back I was sick for a few days.........Guy came to work with the Flu......had a 103 degree temp.......went home after a few hours........was there long enough to give out the Flu.

He got tested..........confirmed a and b Flu............I used the old remedy.......Buried in covers and sweated it out.........with Vicks Vapor Rub..........

Google that........the docs of today would call it an Urban Legend.........and they are full of it.....the Old Docs said do it..........and it WORKS.

from January to the first week in February, my entire family had a cold and one son in law the flu. Had another colleague that had the flu in that same timeline. today, we're all feeling good. I check in every other day with the family. And I speak with my colleague daily. They have been so inconsistent with this and over reacting because they don't want to seem insensitive that we've now got this full blown hoax going. Just like global warming, and the same people pushing that are pushing this. so everyone excuse me if I choose to not believe them. The oceans aren't rising and hospitals aren't filling up. FACT!!!

Hey, check back in with everyone in a month or so, OK? Let's see how things are then.

 

[Mac-7]

#1) I disagree he failed to act.

#2) So is South Korea. The cases in the US % wise are very few and far between.

1.) He should have shut the international borders back in February. He only shut down direct transport from China. Just shutting down travel from one country does virtually nothing in those globalized market place.

2.) Japan is the better comparison. Japan only has 9 cases per 1 million in population. The United States now has 98 cases per one million in population. The United States had a chance to be Japan. But Trump failed to act!

#1) He was getting mixed messages. He didn't want to happen in terms what is happening now. Economy in an upheaval, unemployment rising to 20% and kids not in schools. It is easy to be the Monday Morning QB but this was a very difficult decision. He did shut down travel but the virus was already here.

#2) Japan is much smaller than US and it is not all Trump. We are a Republic not an Empire. Trump was vilified and called a racist for closing travel to and from China if you recall.

#1) Trump is President and when he fails to do the job, you need to let him go.

#2) Japan is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of population, but only has 1,086 cases compared to New York States 22,000+! Massive failure.

#1) People will decide in November

#2) Ever been to NY...people are literally on top of one another. Not the size but the density is what counts. I am not shocked NY got it so bad.

Japan has greater population density than New York State. Tokyo is a larger city than New York City.

You just said NY has more people in it than all of Japan? Is NY larger than all of Japan in terms of territory?

No, I said JAPAN is 5 times the size of New York State in terms of POPULATION. It is 3 times the size of New York State in terms of territory.

So then Japan has better social distancing and is more proactive? What are you trying to say? Russia has fewer cases as well. I believe those countries along with South Korea acted faster because of their proximity to China.

Waiting to act is why the United States is in this current mess it is, while Russia and Japan have a relatively light infection numbers. You could wait maybe a day or two, but that's it. Thanks to air traffic, it takes less than 24 hours to get from middle of China to the furthest point on the planet from there which would be the middle of Argentina. That's how fast this lethal pathogen can spread around the world now that its in humans. The time to shut everything down was back on February 1, 2020.

Stop over hyping the lethality of this bug.

The lethality of this bug is way lower than advertised because we know that an unknown and potentially large number of people have been infected but their symptoms were mild or even nonexistent any they never sought medical help or got tested

I'm just repeating what the SCIENCE on this has said and what people who study pandemics have said. The harm done by overreacting is minimal compared to the harm done by not acting enough.

Edge is right. Better safe than sorry. This also shows how critical border security is.

Oops

lib trump haters dont want to talk about border security from mexico

thats a forbidden subject on the left

 

[Bruce Daniels]

No, not if it spreads the virus more, jackass. Where did you get that? Restaurants, for example, are doing take-out and delivery as much as they can and my wife placed an order at a local place today. Also, I picked up an order from a book store the other day. I called the store from the parking lot and somebody brought my package out and put it in my trunk. We didn't come into physical contact at all.

Yes but we need to be careful, not stupid. Take Out will infect you as well you know. In fact, don't pump gas, don't go to the grocery store and DON't TOUCH THAT PACKAGE!!!! Have you heard how long that virus can live on surfaces????? Wash your hands with alcohol (70%) before touching ANYTHING!!! For God's SAKE!!!! Have you no decency????

It is conceivable that you could get an infection from a take-out order if someone sneezed on it. And yes, the virus can live on some surfaces for a long time, but not all surfaces. But hey, ignore all the warnings if you want. In fact, I hope you do.

 

[Mac-7]

A person I know who works in a grocery store said people were coming in yesterday and filling their carts and walking out without paying. One guy ran out with an armload of steaks.

These are white suburbanites doing this.

Same here. White guy ran out of Raleys with a armload of cheese. I would have dripped him if I had known he was stealing.

Jeez. Good cheese is one dairy product I have trouble giving up. Armed guards at supermarkets next?

It may come to that as the economy continues in its death throes

Helicopter dollars are not going to save us